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Post by vinnie on Sept 24, 2021 10:53:44 GMT -5
Pretty sure the same people bashing Carolina for who they’ve played so far will talk about how improved we look and how good this team really is after we beat lowly Atlanta. You recently said a win over Atlanta would mean nothing. By defending the Panthers easy schedule, you've already contradicted yourself. Failed again Mike, where did I defend the Panthers schedule? Quote me please. I’m sure you’ll be one of the first ones waving the pom poms after the Giants beat Atlanta even though YOU have said you’re not impressed with the Panthers due to their schedule.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 10:54:22 GMT -5
Funny, I didn't hear one person complaining about money when they hired Judge over Rhule. I haven't changed my mind because the Panthers opened the season against 3 of the worst teams in football.Wait, we played them already? I guess I missed that. That's what I was thinking also.. How wild is it that this fan base won't recognize this accomplishment from these Getty picked teams..
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Post by McCherry on Sept 24, 2021 10:59:35 GMT -5
You recently said a win over Atlanta would mean nothing. By defending the Panthers easy schedule, you've already contradicted yourself. Failed again Mike, where did I defend the Panthers schedule? Quote me please. I’m sure you’ll be one of the first ones waving the pom poms after the Giants beat Atlanta even though YOU have said you’re not impressed with the Panthers due to their schedule. I did.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 24, 2021 11:08:14 GMT -5
Failed again Mike, where did I defend the Panthers schedule? Quote me please. I’m sure you’ll be one of the first ones waving the pom poms after the Giants beat Atlanta even though YOU have said you’re not impressed with the Panthers due to their schedule. I did. So this was my way of defending the Panthers schedule “Pretty sure the same people bashing Carolina for who they’ve played so far will talk about how improved we look and how good this team really is after we beat lowly Atlanta.”? Put the pipe down buddy. In no way, shape or form is that defending the Panthers. Try again. Where’s the quote where I defended them?
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 11:13:24 GMT -5
Failed again Mike, where did I defend the Panthers schedule? Quote me please. I’m sure you’ll be one of the first ones waving the pom poms after the Giants beat Atlanta even though YOU have said you’re not impressed with the Panthers due to their schedule. I did. You are making the wrong argument. The one I made with supporting evidence is the only kettle that holds the water.. Everything else is an attempt to spin away from the facts I presented. This has nothing to do with Money, Schedule, or After the fact gibberish. The only thing it has to do with and I will say it again. Rhule and his agent in a low class way attempted to strong arm the giants with a ultimatum. IMO: What I find even more mindboggling is how timid the Panthers were. From their point of view . We just offered this guy a brinks truck full of cash. Then he has the nerve to go to a competitor and proclaim " I would rather work for you. If you can you match this offer and I am your HC". IMO: That is even more insulting to Carolina than to the Giants.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 24, 2021 11:24:16 GMT -5
You are making the wrong argument. The one I made with supporting evidence is the only kettle that holds the water.. Everything else is an attempt to spin away from the facts I presented. This has nothing to do with Money, Schedule, or After the fact gibberish. The only thing it has to do with and I will say it again Rhule and his agent in a low class way attempted to strong arm the giants with a ultimatum. IMO: What I find even more mindboggling is how timid the Panthers were. From their point of view . We just offered this guy a brinks truck full of cash. Than he has the nerve to go to a competitor and proclaim " I would rather work for you. If you can you match this offer and I am your HC. IMO: That is even more insulting to Carolina than to the Giants. I agree with all of this. The Panthers were also offering him more power in the front office and other things that an unproven coach should never deserve.
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Post by Nite on Sept 24, 2021 11:27:11 GMT -5
Right now Matt Rhule looks pretty good but when the Giants had his agent calling them to match, At that time with out benefit of hind sight are you gonna hire a guy with 0 proven track record for 10 mill per, After seeing guys like Saban not get it done in the NFL maybe the greatest college coach ever before him their was the old ball coach Spurier or Erickson. Successful college guys are no guarantee I get why they didn't match Gruden money for an un- none. Putting everything else aside, I would have taken my chances with Rhule who turned a college football program in a few years around and made their offense dynamic over another Bill Billichick disciple with no HC, OC, or DC experience. Our coach, coaching staff and GM still think 90’s football strategy will work in todays league, at least Rhule seems in touch with modern day football. Actually that is 2 college programs Temple and Baylor, turned both of them around and made them competitive..BB guys really don't pan out in the NFL. Judge talked a good game but is he really doing a good job?
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Post by Nite on Sept 24, 2021 11:31:48 GMT -5
Putting everything else aside, I would have taken my chances with Rhule who turned a college football program in a few years around and made their offense dynamic over another Bill Billichick disciple with no HC, OC, or DC experience. Our coach, coaching staff and GM still think 90’s football strategy will work in todays league, at least Rhule seems in touch with modern day football. Actually that is 2 college programs Temple and Baylor, turned both of them around and made them competitive..BB guys really don't pan out in the NFL. Judge talked a good game but is he really doing a good job? Sorry I didn't read your other posts, just replicating yours..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 24, 2021 11:31:49 GMT -5
Hold up, the Saints are one of the worst teams in the league?
Jets ok... they suck. Texans? ... OK, they could be bad, but they have a decent defense.
Saints?
Nope
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 24, 2021 11:40:45 GMT -5
It's beginning to look that way. Judge is a fraud in week two? Jeez, you're usually more level-headed than that. If you’ve already jumped ship, this forum is in trouble. I wouldn’t say that after two weeks. I would say it’s beginning to look that way based on results after week 18. Beginning to look that way is not the same as a firm declaration. Take it it’s way: it is time for him to start putting some Ws on the board. Because it is.
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Post by BlueReign on Sept 24, 2021 12:15:44 GMT -5
I would rather win anyway possible at this point. I totally remember the complaining on the old boards after we would win. I would take those days in a heartbeat. It sucks that we haven't experienced a whole lot of winning while this site has been active. It was always a lot of shitting on Eli after a win.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 24, 2021 12:27:39 GMT -5
I totally remember the complaining on the old boards after we would win. I would take those days in a heartbeat. It sucks that we haven't experienced a whole lot of winning while this site has been active. It was always a lot of shitting on Eli after a win. Yeah, that kind of stuff never made any sense to me.
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Post by BlueReign on Sept 24, 2021 12:29:34 GMT -5
It was always a lot of shitting on Eli after a win. Yeah, that kind of stuff never made any sense to me. "If we drafted Ben we would've had the division locked away by now!" "Rivers looks like a HOF and Eli threw 2 INTs today!" And then there was always the Jonas Seawright thread that would never die.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 24, 2021 12:47:51 GMT -5
Hold up, the Saints are one of the worst teams in the league? Jets ok... they suck. Texans? ... OK, they could be bad, but they have a decent defense. Saints? Nope The problem with the Saints is Jameis Winston. Week 1 he threw 5 TD's. Week 2 he completed 11/22 passes and 2 INT's. That's going to be the story of the Saints season.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 24, 2021 13:05:09 GMT -5
Hold up, the Saints are one of the worst teams in the league? Jets ok... they suck. Texans? ... OK, they could be bad, but they have a decent defense. Saints? Nope The problem with the Saints is Jameis Winston. Week 1 he threw 5 TD's. Week 2 he completed 11/22 passes and 2 INT's. That's going to be the story of the Saints season. So, let me get this straight, to prove the Panthers are playing an easy schedule so far, you say the Saints (and Jaimes), who owned the Packers 38-3 week 1, suck because they played bad against the Panthers week 2? I think the Saints are going to fight for the division again. Maybe and hear me out, the Panthers are actually good. Which I believe is the case. Not sure if they can beat the Bucs however. Very tough division. Only ATL appears to be in the hole.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 24, 2021 13:20:59 GMT -5
The problem with the Saints is Jameis Winston. Week 1 he threw 5 TD's. Week 2 he completed 11/22 passes and 2 INT's. That's going to be the story of the Saints season. So, let me get this straight, to prove the Panthers are playing an easy schedule so far, you say the Saints (and Jaimes), who owned the Packers 38-3 week 1, suck because they played bad against the Panthers week 2? I think the Saints are going to fight for the division again. Maybe and hear me out, the Panthers are actually good. Which I believe is the case. Not sure if they can beat the Bucs however. Very tough division. Only ATL appears to be in the hole. I'm not ruling that out. They had a couple injuries. McCaffrey was 40% of their offense, so we'll see how that impacts Darnold and the offense. As for the Saints, sorry, I don't see it with Winston. If you see an upside based on what we’ve seen out of that QB's career, I'd like to hear it. I could believe in Darnold. I can't with Winston.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 24, 2021 13:29:53 GMT -5
So, let me get this straight, to prove the Panthers are playing an easy schedule so far, you say the Saints (and Jaimes), who owned the Packers 38-3 week 1, suck because they played bad against the Panthers week 2? I think the Saints are going to fight for the division again. Maybe and hear me out, the Panthers are actually good. Which I believe is the case. Not sure if they can beat the Bucs however. Very tough division. Only ATL appears to be in the hole. I'm not ruling that out. They had a couple injuries. McCaffrey was 40% of their offense, so we'll see how that impacts Darnold and the offense. As for the Saints, sorry, I don't see it with Winston. If you see an upside based on what we’ve seen out of that QB's career, I'd like to hear it. I could believe in Darnold. I can't with Winston. McCaffery out is going to be painful for that offense. Winston is what he is, a gun slinger. Lots of TDs and lots of turnovers. Instead of looking at Winstons career and upside by itself, I am considering the Saints coaching staff reining him in and getting the best out of him. I am no Jaimes fan at all. I didnt like him at FSU or with the Bucs, but he can sling it. I heard something last week that he threw a ball in the air further than any ball Brees has thrown in his Saints career. If Payton has that in his arsenal to open up his offense, watch out. That was Brees weakness, the strong arm deep ball.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 24, 2021 14:25:38 GMT -5
I'm not ruling that out. They had a couple injuries. McCaffrey was 40% of their offense, so we'll see how that impacts Darnold and the offense. As for the Saints, sorry, I don't see it with Winston. If you see an upside based on what we’ve seen out of that QB's career, I'd like to hear it. I could believe in Darnold. I can't with Winston. McCaffery out is going to be painful for that offense. Winston is what he is, a gun slinger. Lots of TDs and lots of turnovers. Instead of looking at Winstons career and upside by itself, I am considering the Saints coaching staff reining him in and getting the best out of him. I am no Jaimes fan at all. I didnt like him at FSU or with the Bucs, but he can sling it. I heard something last week that he threw a ball in the air further than any ball Brees has thrown in his Saints career. If Payton has that in his arsenal to open up his offense, watch out. That was Brees weakness, the strong arm deep ball. i forgot who they played the first game but he looked good and threw 5 TD's.....
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 24, 2021 15:07:12 GMT -5
Darnolds career with the Jets is a classic example of how a good player being on a bad team will always suck, I'm glad for him that he got the hell away from the Jets instead of ruining his career with a shit team... They truly did him a favor when they traded him. I think that the Jets have the right HC and QB going forward though. I'm thinking the Jets have internal problems as well as the Giants. and that may be the cause of all the crap football from both teams for so long..
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 24, 2021 16:58:29 GMT -5
Hold up, the Saints are one of the worst teams in the league? Jets ok... they suck. Texans? ... OK, they could be bad, but they have a decent defense. Saints? Nope They were displaced that week and also were decimated by Covid. Yes at least for that week they were one of the worst teams in the league.
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 24, 2021 17:00:11 GMT -5
So, let me get this straight, to prove the Panthers are playing an easy schedule so far, you say the Saints (and Jaimes), who owned the Packers 38-3 week 1, suck because they played bad against the Panthers week 2? I think the Saints are going to fight for the division again. Maybe and hear me out, the Panthers are actually good. Which I believe is the case. Not sure if they can beat the Bucs however. Very tough division. Only ATL appears to be in the hole. I'm not ruling that out. They had a couple injuries. McCaffrey was 40% of their offense, so we'll see how that impacts Darnold and the offense. As for the Saints, sorry, I don't see it with Winston. If you see an upside based on what we’ve seen out of that QB's career, I'd like to hear it. I could believe in Darnold. I can't with Winston. Yup McCaffrey is injury prone and they will now struggle without him and as for the Saints, Winston is terribly inconsistent and he will hurt them many times over in many losses this season.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 24, 2021 17:49:46 GMT -5
Hold up, the Saints are one of the worst teams in the league? Jets ok... they suck. Texans? ... OK, they could be bad, but they have a decent defense. Saints? Nope They were displaced that week and also were decimated by Covid. Yes at least for that week they were one of the worst teams in the league. Actually, they destroyed the Packers 38-3 the week they were displaced from the Hurricane. They played a home game in Jacksonville. Open stadium. Enough excuses. Saints are one of the top 10 teams in this league.
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Post by Martin on Sept 24, 2021 17:55:07 GMT -5
Judge is a fraud in week two? Jeez, you're usually more level-headed than that. If you’ve already jumped ship, this forum is in trouble. I wouldn’t say that after two weeks. I would say it’s beginning to look that way based on results after week 18. Beginning to look that way is not the same as a firm declaration. Take it it’s way: it is time for him to start putting some Ws on the board. Because it is. losing
/ˈlo͞oziNG/ Learn to pronounce adjective suffering, resulting in, or relating to defeat in a game or contest. "the losing side" The image next to "losing" is Joe Judge's picture. The clock is ticking......
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Post by McCherry on Sept 24, 2021 17:59:30 GMT -5
They were displaced that week and also were decimated by Covid. Yes at least for that week they were one of the worst teams in the league. Actually, they destroyed the Packers 38-3 the week they were displaced from the Hurricane. They played a home game in Jacksonville. Open stadium. Enough excuses. Saints are one of the top 10 teams in this league. There is no chance the Saints are a top-10 team with Winston.
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Post by dvision on Sept 24, 2021 18:13:58 GMT -5
Hold up, the Saints are one of the worst teams in the league? Jets ok... they suck. Texans? ... OK, they could be bad, but they have a decent defense. Saints? Nope If being down 8 coaches doesn't have an effect on a team why bother paying them in the first place right?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 24, 2021 18:22:43 GMT -5
Hold up, the Saints are one of the worst teams in the league? Jets ok... they suck. Texans? ... OK, they could be bad, but they have a decent defense. Saints? Nope If being down 8 coaches doesn't have an effect on a team why bother paying them in the first place right? If the Patriots can win 11 games with Matt Cassell, why bother playing Tom Brady? Obviously it has an impact I'm not saying it doesn't, but they are still a very good team. I bet they are at the very least battling for a playoff spot by years end if they stay healthy.
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Post by dvision on Sept 24, 2021 18:59:45 GMT -5
If being down 8 coaches doesn't have an effect on a team why bother paying them in the first place right? If the Patriots can win 11 games with Matt Cassell, why bother playing Tom Brady? Obviously it has an impact I'm not saying it doesn't, but they are still a very good team. I bet they are at the very least battling for a playoff spot by years end if they stay healthy. Weren't we talking about last week... week 2... against Carolina? The Panthers can only play their schedule but they were handed a gift when you get two bad teams with rookie QB's making their first starts and a team suddenly minus 8 assistant coaches. I doubt Payton had any contingency plan for that (unlike your QB comparison...)
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 24, 2021 19:59:54 GMT -5
I'm not ruling that out. They had a couple injuries. McCaffrey was 40% of their offense, so we'll see how that impacts Darnold and the offense. As for the Saints, sorry, I don't see it with Winston. If you see an upside based on what we’ve seen out of that QB's career, I'd like to hear it. I could believe in Darnold. I can't with Winston. McCaffery out is going to be painful for that offense. Winston is what he is, a gun slinger. Lots of TDs and lots of turnovers. Instead of looking at Winstons career and upside by itself, I am considering the Saints coaching staff reining him in and getting the best out of him. I am no Jaimes fan at all. I didnt like him at FSU or with the Bucs, but he can sling it. I heard something last week that he threw a ball in the air further than any ball Brees has thrown in his Saints career. If Payton has that in his arsenal to open up his offense, watch out. That was Brees weakness, the strong arm deep ball. yep, I'm quite sure that's true. Winston has a really strong arm, even by NFL standards. Brees made his living with his head, and accuracy. Strong arm, not so much. Skillsets, they are polar opposites of each other. Payton is a really bright offensive mind, I'm pretty sure he'll figure out how to maximize Winston's strengths, and if he can coach the turnovers to a minimum, they will be a tough team.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 25, 2021 6:54:27 GMT -5
lol, same fans have zero worries (and questionable understanding) about the salary cap including mortgaging the future yet have a problem paying a head coach . Really? Looking at it from Ownerships' perspective .If a " I never worked in the NFL" first time HC prospect's agent calls you before his scheduled interview and demands you beat this offer or....., In essence that is a blunt indication of him and his agent wanting to forgo the actual interview process an attitude of I am above your vetting me in anyway". Would you as an owner hire that guy? It is easy to say pay the man. What was unofficially noted on what transpired was hire me now or else. As an owner you laugh him off the phone call. Would you hire any perspective employee that did that? giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/07/matt-rhule-gave-new-york-giants-chance-to-match-panthers-offer/The New York Giants were scheduled to meet with Baylor head coach Matt Rhule on Tuesday, but that interview failed to materialize as he agreed to become the next head coach of the Carolina Panthers.
NFL Network insider Ian Rapoport reports that Rhule called the Giants on Monday evening and gave then an opportunity to match the deal being offered by the Panthers.
The Giants declined.
One note on the #Giants: Matt Rhule called them before signing his 6-year deal with the #Panthers and gave them the opportunity to match and lure him to get on the plane. They declined and hired Joe Judge instead.
— Ian Rapoport (@rapsheet) January 7, 2020
However, Rhule didn’t completely spurn the Giants after all.
What was reported on what transpired. yeah, that’s a recap of what happened but i was responding to the dollars. Why would any fan care about the dollars for a head coach yet have no worries about the cost of a player (the cap, etc). And i have no issues with Judge
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2021 7:03:03 GMT -5
Looking at it from Ownerships' perspective .If a " I never worked in the NFL" first time HC prospect's agent calls you before his scheduled interview and demands you beat this offer or....., In essence that is a blunt indication of him and his agent wanting to forgo the actual interview process an attitude of I am above your vetting me in anyway". Would you as an owner hire that guy? It is easy to say pay the man. What was unofficially noted on what transpired was hire me now or else. As an owner you laugh him off the phone call. Would you hire any perspective employee that did that? giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/07/matt-rhule-gave-new-york-giants-chance-to-match-panthers-offer/The New York Giants were scheduled to meet with Baylor head coach Matt Rhule on Tuesday, but that interview failed to materialize as he agreed to become the next head coach of the Carolina Panthers.
NFL Network insider Ian Rapoport reports that Rhule called the Giants on Monday evening and gave then an opportunity to match the deal being offered by the Panthers.
The Giants declined.
One note on the #Giants: Matt Rhule called them before signing his 6-year deal with the #Panthers and gave them the opportunity to match and lure him to get on the plane. They declined and hired Joe Judge instead.
— Ian Rapoport (@rapsheet) January 7, 2020
However, Rhule didn’t completely spurn the Giants after all.
What was reported on what transpired. yeah, that’s a recap of what happened but i was responding to the dollars. Why would any fan care about the dollars for a head coach yet have no worries about the cost of a player (the cap, etc). And i have no issues with Judge I personally do not care about who gets paid what. In this case it is not as some suggest. It was not about Mara not want to pay him. It was Rhule and his agent not acting in a professional manner.
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