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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 12:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by hadenough on Sept 24, 2021 12:11:11 GMT -5
Well...good luck to them. Personally, I think the Hall of Fame lets in too many people. Either you were one of the elites of your era...or not. And there can't be 10 elites in one era.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 24, 2021 12:13:03 GMT -5
Very, very good players. I don't know that any of them are true Hall of Famers.
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 24, 2021 12:26:45 GMT -5
I'd say Feagles should definitely get in. Landeta is a maybe.
Mitchell was an all-time great special teams player too.
Tuck could've been HOF if injuries and depression(basically) didn't derail him. He was a relentless player for a few years. Absolutely one of the best in the league at the time.
Chris Snee....how many pro bowls did he make?? He was truly one of the best guards of his era. By far. Not sure what they look for when it comes to HOF O-linemen. He played for what, 9 years? And didn't he start as a rookie too?? He was always solid. Never a weak link. In fact he was often dominant. For me he is an all-time great.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 24, 2021 14:41:15 GMT -5
My first thought when reading it was Feagles is the one that should get in. He was a great punter, one of the best ever. Tuck was amazing but too short a career. Tiki was great but too short a career (in terms of his dominant years) and no SBs. Snee was great but judging a OG is always a crap shoot.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 15:13:59 GMT -5
I don’t see it. The only full time punter in the Hall is Ray Guy. And it took him 28 years to get in. As great as Feagles was, he’s not getting in anytime soon. Only player on that list who’s deserving is Tiki. |
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Post by Providence on Sept 24, 2021 15:21:00 GMT -5
I don’t see it. The only full time punter in the Hall is Ray Guy. And it took him 28 years to get in. As great as Feagles was, he’s not getting in anytime soon. Only player on that list who’s deserving is Tiki. I would imagine Ray Guy's long wait was a result of the negative bias football players have towards kickers and punters. That bias undoubtedly found its way to the people who cast their votes for HOF inductees. I'm not saying Feagles will get in (though I think he should), just that it might not be as hard for him now that Ray Guy has broken through that barrier. We shall see. Other than Feagles, I don't think anyone else on that list should get in. Tuck is an all time great Giant, but an all time great in the history of the league? Nah. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 15:21:38 GMT -5
I don’t see it. The only full time punter in the Hall is Ray Guy. And it took him 28 years to get in. As great as Feagles was, he’s not getting in anytime soon. Only player on that list who’s deserving is Tiki. He is not in the 12000 rushing yards club. Because of that. I do not think he gets in. It seem 12000 rushing yards is the demarcation for the hof voting body |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 15:23:50 GMT -5
I don’t see it. The only full time punter in the Hall is Ray Guy. And it took him 28 years to get in. As great as Feagles was, he’s not getting in anytime soon. Only player on that list who’s deserving is Tiki. I would imagine Ray Guy's long wait was a result of the negative bias football players have towards kickers and punters. That bias undoubtedly found its way to the people who cast their votes for HOF inductees. I'm not saying Feagles will get in (though I think he should), just that it might not be as hard for him now that Ray Guy has broken through that barrier. We shall see. Other than Feagles, I don't think anyone else on that list should get in. Tuck is an all time great Giant, but an all time great in the history of the league? Nah. Most consider Ray Guy a football player. They don’t look at him as just a punter. He set the bar so high, that the next punter who gets in has to be better than that. If a punter does make it in, it should be Shane Lechler. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 15:25:21 GMT -5
I don’t see it. The only full time punter in the Hall is Ray Guy. And it took him 28 years to get in. As great as Feagles was, he’s not getting in anytime soon. Only player on that list who’s deserving is Tiki. He is not in the 12000 rushing yards club. Because of that. I do not think he gets in. It seem 12000 rushing yards is the demarcation for the hof voting body When Tiki retired only him, Marshall Faulk, and Marcus Allen were part of the 10,000 yards rushing and 5,000 yards receiving club. To think, he got better with age. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 15:33:06 GMT -5
He is not in the 12000 rushing yards club. Because of that. I do not think he gets in. It seem 12000 rushing yards is the demarcation for the hof voting body When Tiki retired only him, Marshall Faulk, and Marcus Allen were part of the 10,000 yards rushing and 5,000 yards receiving club. To think, he got better with age. No RB has gotten with yards from scrimmage It is rushing yards. .If it was yards from scrimmage. Dickerson would not be in. He only has 15400. 13259 of that is rushing yards. 12000 yard club. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 15:37:35 GMT -5
When Tiki retired only him, Marshall Faulk, and Marcus Allen were part of the 10,000 yards rushing and 5,000 yards receiving club. To think, he got better with age. No RB has gotten with yards from scrimmage It is rushing yards. .If it was yards from scrimmage. Dickerson would not be in. He only has 15400. 13259 of that is rushing yards. 12000 yard club. I see it more as the company he’s with, than yards from scrimmage stat. Three players in the 86 year history of the sport at the time had those numbers. His only blemish is that he retired too soon. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 15:50:21 GMT -5
No RB has gotten with yards from scrimmage It is rushing yards. .If it was yards from scrimmage. Dickerson would not be in. He only has 15400. 13259 of that is rushing yards. 12000 yard club. I see it more as the company he’s with, than yards from scrimmage stat. Three players in the 86 year history of the sport at the time had those numbers. His only blemish is that he retired too soon. Yards from scrimmage are for WRs, No QB gets in because of their rushing yards or "yards handed off for" wow just came up with a new stat. It is only passing yards. The HOF voting body has everything in a neat little box. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 16:17:39 GMT -5
I see it more as the company he’s with, than yards from scrimmage stat. Three players in the 86 year history of the sport at the time had those numbers. His only blemish is that he retired too soon. Yards from scrimmage are for WRs, No QB gets in because of their rushing yards or "yards handed off for" wow just came up with a new stat. It is only passing yards. The HOF voting body has everything in a neat little box. Handing a ball off is no correlation with rushing yards and receiving yards. That player is doing more to his team than most quarterbacks. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2021 6:47:10 GMT -5
Yards from scrimmage are for WRs, No QB gets in because of their rushing yards or "yards handed off for" wow just came up with a new stat. It is only passing yards. The HOF voting body has everything in a neat little box. Handing a ball off is no correlation with rushing yards and receiving yards. That player is doing more to his team than most quarterbacks. PFF has their signature stats that they promote. One of them is "kept clean" for a QB' This stat suggests what a QB does when he is not rushed . My signature Stat will be "yards handed off for" equally ridiculous as some of stats PFF uses. Just So you know so far this year Baker Mayfield is leading the league in yards handed off for with 309 yards. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 25, 2021 6:51:55 GMT -5
I think Tiki deserves it. It was short, but for 4-5 years he was the best RB in the game, and arguably the best 4-5 year window of any RB in NFL history. If he only held on 1 more year for 2007s ride he would be a slam dunk IMO.
Tuck is a Giants HOFer. One of my favorites.
Snee was one of the best Gs for a while, but not sure HOF material.
Feagles was solid for a while as well.
If you have to come up with reasons why they should make the HOF though, and think about it, and look up their stats and plays, they probably dont deserve it. Guys who get into the HOF should be no brainers.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2021 8:06:41 GMT -5
Handing a ball off is no correlation with rushing yards and receiving yards. That player is doing more to his team than most quarterbacks. PFF has their signature stats that they promote. One of them is "kept clean" for a QB' This stat suggests what a QB does when he is not rushed . My signature Stat will be "yards handed off for" equally ridiculous as some of stats PFF uses. Just So you know so far this year Baker Mayfield is leading the league in yards handed off for with 309 yards. You support that idiot box called PFF? I can say honestly I’ve never heard of “kept clean” ever. Well, not true. As we clean the house, the word clean and kept are said. Just, not together. Tom Brady is having a great year. Is he in the top five of “kept clean”? |
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2021 8:12:37 GMT -5
PFF has their signature stats that they promote. One of them is "kept clean" for a QB' This stat suggests what a QB does when he is not rushed . My signature Stat will be "yards handed off for" equally ridiculous as some of stats PFF uses. Just So you know so far this year Baker Mayfield is leading the league in yards handed off for with 309 yards. You support that idiot box called PFF? I can say honestly I’ve never heard of “kept clean” ever. Well, not true. As we clean the house, the word clean and kept are said. Just, not together. Tom Brady is having a great year. Is he in the top five of “kept clean”? I am far from supporting them. I try to expose their snake oil every chance I get. I have no idea what kept clean proves. Any QB that cannot get it done without pressure . Well we both no the answer to that. So they make stats up to make fans pay for their hubbub. |
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Post by jay051 on Sept 25, 2021 8:15:53 GMT -5
I think Tiki deserves it. It was short, but for 4-5 years he was the best RB in the game, and arguably the best 4-5 year window of any RB in NFL history. If he only held on 1 more year for 2007s ride he would be a slam dunk IMO. Tuck is a Giants HOFer. One of my favorites. Snee was one of the best Gs for a while, but not sure HOF material. Feagles was solid for a while as well. If you have to come up with reasons why they should make the HOF though, and think about it, and look up their stats and plays, they probably dont deserve it. Guys who get into the HOF should be no brainers. You think Tiki was the best rb for 4 to 5 years?? Nah I don't think so. He was top 5 during his last 4 to 5 seasons and best rb at most 1 or 2 seasons. I'm a huge Tiki fan and his lack of overall touchdowns is one of the main reasons why he's not getting in. He's Marshall Faulk lite and that's not a bad thing. Unfortunately in my opinion he's borderline but falls short of Canton. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2021 8:17:06 GMT -5
You support that idiot box called PFF? I can say honestly I’ve never heard of “kept clean” ever. Well, not true. As we clean the house, the word clean and kept are said. Just, not together. Tom Brady is having a great year. Is he in the top five of “kept clean”? I am far from supporting them. I try to expose their snake oil every chance I get. I have no idea what kept clean proves. Any QB that cannot get it done without pressure . Well we both no the answer to that. So they make stats up to make fans pay for their hubbub. Whatever happened to “that was a good play” or, “did you see that interception?” Now, some eggheads took the game we love and turned it into a biology class. When you have to make up a new stat to further your warped narrative. You know you lost.. I’m still trying to figure out how they grade offensive lineman. Unless, they know the play call. And what the players responsibility is. It’s all pure guessing. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2021 8:22:58 GMT -5
I am far from supporting them. I try to expose their snake oil every chance I get. I have no idea what kept clean proves. Any QB that cannot get it done without pressure . Well we both no the answer to that. So they make stats up to make fans pay for their hubbub. Whatever happened to “that was a good play” or, “did you see that interception?” Now, some eggheads took the game we love and turned it into a biology class. When you have to make up a new stat to further your warped narrative. You know you lost.. I’m still trying to figure out how they grade offensive lineman. Unless, they know the play call. And what the players responsibility is. It’s all pure guessing. Subjective stats are what they are. I look at opinionated football metrics like the builders of the Titanic proclaiming it is virtually unsinkable. |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 25, 2021 13:59:40 GMT -5
I think Tiki deserves it. It was short, but for 4-5 years he was the best RB in the game, and arguably the best 4-5 year window of any RB in NFL history. If he only held on 1 more year for 2007s ride he would be a slam dunk IMO. Tuck is a Giants HOFer. One of my favorites. Snee was one of the best Gs for a while, but not sure HOF material. Feagles was solid for a while as well. If you have to come up with reasons why they should make the HOF though, and think about it, and look up their stats and plays, they probably dont deserve it. Guys who get into the HOF should be no brainers. Feagles has a strong argument. But I totally agree with this. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 25, 2021 20:34:03 GMT -5
I think Tiki deserves it. It was short, but for 4-5 years he was the best RB in the game, and arguably the best 4-5 year window of any RB in NFL history. If he only held on 1 more year for 2007s ride he would be a slam dunk IMO. Tuck is a Giants HOFer. One of my favorites. Snee was one of the best Gs for a while, but not sure HOF material. Feagles was solid for a while as well. If you have to come up with reasons why they should make the HOF though, and think about it, and look up their stats and plays, they probably dont deserve it. Guys who get into the HOF should be no brainers. Feagles has a strong argument. But I totally agree with this. None of those guys is getting in. The only one deserving is Tiki. But the media and Giants fans hate him.....so he has no chance. It's a popularity contest.
The best punter in Giants history is Dave Jennings, and he'll never get in. Punters have to be all time great to be HOF'rs. You folks are dreaming if you thnk Feagles is getting in to the HOF.
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Post by ocgiant on Sept 25, 2021 21:36:14 GMT -5
I am okay with all of them
Let's go!
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Post by TEM on Sept 21, 2022 10:55:10 GMT -5
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Post by jaymas on Sept 21, 2022 11:05:42 GMT -5
Tiki is an absolute hall of famer in my opinion. He has one of the best 3 years stretches for any running back in NFL history. And was solid to good for 4 years before that.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 21, 2022 11:08:36 GMT -5
It’s a crime that Lomas is still waiting on that call. Everyone always said Barry Sanders ran behind a terrible offensive line. That is a boldface lie, having Lomas at your left tackle and Kevin Glover at center is a hell of a duo. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 12:03:35 GMT -5
Tiki is an absolute hall of famer in my opinion. He has one of the best 3 years stretches for any running back in NFL history. And was solid to good for 4 years before that. Since terrel Davis got in then I do feel those three great years help make Tiki deserving. I still hate the fumbling selfish asswipe. |
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Post by CrushGroove on Sept 21, 2022 12:26:53 GMT -5
Feagles for the HOF!
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Post by giants8493 on Sept 22, 2022 0:16:50 GMT -5
I think tiki should get in. He didn't play that long at least at the time but I think RB careers have gotten even shorter so he may have just been ahead of the curve.
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