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Post by snyder55 on Sept 24, 2021 15:18:49 GMT -5
I'm thinking we would get more from a deal like that than we will from keeping Barkely and hoping he will get back to where he was in season 1..
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 15:20:41 GMT -5
Hell yeah.. Top edge rushers can change the dynamic of a defense. More so than a great running back on offense.
It’s still a passing league, and the best way to negate that is to get to the quarterback. We won four Super Bowls on that premise.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 24, 2021 15:24:42 GMT -5
Could have had Parsons instead of Toney.
If there is any chance Barkley can be Rookie of the Year type Barkley again then we have to keep him but only time will tell. Would be nice to see him start making some great plays again.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 15:29:12 GMT -5
Could have had Parsons instead of Toney. If there is any chance Barkley can be Rookie of the Year type Barkley again then we have to keep him but only time will tell. Would be nice to see him start making some great plays again. I was driving that Parsons bus for sometime before the draft. Running over any would be haters that got in my way. Kid can flat out play. Too many teams got caught up with his off the field behavior. |
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Post by jintslifer1 on Sept 24, 2021 15:32:57 GMT -5
Should have been parsons. And by an absolute long shot. The guy is gonna haunt us for years
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Post by nyg2 on Sept 24, 2021 15:37:15 GMT -5
TJ Watt for Saquon Barkley... I know this would never happen since we would also have to give up picks as well but imagine how much more potent this defense would be with a guy like that.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 24, 2021 15:44:23 GMT -5
Could have had Parsons instead of Toney. If there is any chance Barkley can be Rookie of the Year type Barkley again then we have to keep him but only time will tell. Would be nice to see him start making some great plays again. I was driving that Parsons bus for sometime before the draft. Running over any would be haters that got in my way. Kid can flat out play. Too many teams got caught up with his off the field behavior. I cant remember who but the night of the draft one talking head kept saying he was a steal. Giants reportedly had interest leading up to the draft but I think they got turned around when Philly cut in front of them for the WR. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:45:50 GMT -5
TJ Watt for Saquon Barkley... I know this would never happen since we would also have to give up picks as well but imagine how much more potent this defense would be with a guy like that. Steelers gave up 328 yards and 2 TDs in a loss to Derek Carr last week. Watt had 3 tackles and 1 sack in that game, for reference. |
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 24, 2021 15:53:14 GMT -5
Could have had Parsons instead of Toney. If there is any chance Barkley can be Rookie of the Year type Barkley again then we have to keep him but only time will tell. Would be nice to see him start making some great plays again. I was told that LBs are not needed in today's NFL when suggesting we take Parsons. He was my #1 guy in the draft. And knowing Dallas wanted him there is no way in hell I would have let them get him. We will see how that draft turned out in a couple years. |
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 24, 2021 15:54:55 GMT -5
Who is the pass rusher? What age?
It really depends. Are we talking one of the Bosa's? Yeah I would make that trade. Pass rusher is our biggest need by about a mile and a half.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 15:56:32 GMT -5
The sack is a double edged sword with the rules. It can both stop and extend a drive. Getting the QB off his mark to me is a more reliable way for the D to get off the field. Just my opinion.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 24, 2021 15:58:29 GMT -5
Could have had Parsons instead of Toney. If there is any chance Barkley can be Rookie of the Year type Barkley again then we have to keep him but only time will tell. Would be nice to see him start making some great plays again. absolutely should have taken Parsons ! I fell to the floor when we made that deal because I knew he wouldn’t be there at #17 Then I was sure we would take Bateman or Moore but we took the knucklehead instead ! Now the question is will it be Gettleman handling next year’s two 1st rounders… Geeesshh !!!! |
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 16:00:46 GMT -5
Could have had Parsons instead of Toney. If there is any chance Barkley can be Rookie of the Year type Barkley again then we have to keep him but only time will tell. Would be nice to see him start making some great plays again. absolutely should have taken Parsons ! I fell to the floor when we made that deal because I knew he wouldn’t be there at #17 Then I was sure we would take Bateman or Moore but we took the knucklehead instead ! Now the question is will it be Gettleman handling next year’s two 1st rounders… Geeesshh !!!! We received 2 first rounds for 1. It was the right move. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 16:03:02 GMT -5
The sack is a double edged sword with the rules. It can both stop and extend a drive. Getting the QB off his mark to me is a more reliable way for the D to get off the field. Just my opinion. No coincidence there is an uptick in value for kids who can run from the QB position coming out of college. Jones is faster than most NFL DBs (shameless Jones plug, so what lol) |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 16:13:10 GMT -5
absolutely should have taken Parsons ! I fell to the floor when we made that deal because I knew he wouldn’t be there at #17 Then I was sure we would take Bateman or Moore but we took the knucklehead instead ! Now the question is will it be Gettleman handling next year’s two 1st rounders… Geeesshh !!!! We received 2 first rounds for 1. It was the right move. We had three 1st round picks in ‘19. One of them is on another team, another is underperforming, and the other is Jekyll and Hyde. So as you can see, it’s not always great with draft picks. More doesn’t always mean better. We can dissect and analyze this to death. Point is, we had two top players ready to be plucked by us. Parsons, and Slater. And we choose to go the other route. I want to look back at this in let’s say 3-5 years. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. |
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Post by wtfjjk on Sept 24, 2021 16:13:43 GMT -5
Could have had Parsons instead of Toney. If there is any chance Barkley can be Rookie of the Year type Barkley again then we have to keep him but only time will tell. Would be nice to see him start making some great plays again. Parsons was the guy I wanted. Thought he would've been special in Graham's defense. |
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Post by krappdetector on Sept 24, 2021 16:17:40 GMT -5
Another game like the last one and I'd trade him for a passably GOOD edge rusher.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 16:17:53 GMT -5
We received 2 first rounds for 1. It was the right move. We had three 1st round picks in ‘19. One of them is on another team, another is underperforming, and the other is Jekyll and Hyde. So as you can see, it’s not always great with draft picks. More doesn’t always mean better. We can dissect and analyze this to death. Point is, we had two top players ready to be plucked by us. Parsons, and Slater. And we choose to go the other route. I want to look back at this in let’s say 3-5 years. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. Every player going into the draft has the opportunity to be special. You can look back in hindsight 2 games later and say we should've picked someone else, but, that doesn't make very much sense. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 16:19:06 GMT -5
We had three 1st round picks in ‘19. One of them is on another team, another is underperforming, and the other is Jekyll and Hyde. So as you can see, it’s not always great with draft picks. More doesn’t always mean better. We can dissect and analyze this to death. Point is, we had two top players ready to be plucked by us. Parsons, and Slater. And we choose to go the other route. I want to look back at this in let’s say 3-5 years. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. Every player going into the draft has the opportunity to be special. You can look back in hindsight 2 games later and say we should've picked someone else, but, that doesn't make very much sense. You’re right. We should wait three years, then chime in on an opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 16:23:04 GMT -5
Every player going into the draft has the opportunity to be special. You can look back in hindsight 2 games later and say we should've picked someone else, but, that doesn't make very much sense. You’re right. We should wait three years, then chime in on an opinion. I guess 2 games is fine. Toney is a bust & Parson will never get hurt and always play at the rate of his 2 game sample size. That was easy. You might be onto something. 🤔 |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 16:29:43 GMT -5
You’re right. We should wait three years, then chime in on an opinion. I guess 2 games is fine. Toney is a bust & Parson will never get hurt and always play at the rate of his 2 game sample size. That was easy. You might be onto something. 🤔 No, he’s great. Best receiver since Thomas Lewis. |
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Post by Roswell on Sept 24, 2021 16:38:16 GMT -5
We received 2 first rounds for 1. It was the right move. We had three 1st round picks in ‘19. One of them is on another team, another is underperforming, and the other is Jekyll and Hyde. So as you can see, it’s not always great with draft picks. More doesn’t always mean better. We can dissect and analyze this to death. Point is, we had two top players ready to be plucked by us. Parsons, and Slater. And we choose to go the other route. I want to look back at this in let’s say 3-5 years. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. As much as I hate Ray Lewis, was that really the year we took Cedric Jones? Oh man. Not good. |
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 24, 2021 16:39:03 GMT -5
We received 2 first rounds for 1. It was the right move. We had three 1st round picks in ‘19. One of them is on another team, another is underperforming, and the other is Jekyll and Hyde. So as you can see, it’s not always great with draft picks. More doesn’t always mean better. We can dissect and analyze this to death. Point is, we had two top players ready to be plucked by us. Parsons, and Slater. And we choose to go the other route. I want to look back at this in let’s say 3-5 years. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. 25 teams passed on Ray Lewis in that draft and Warren Sapp and Randy Moss and Brady and, as Singer/Songwriter Stephen Bishop once sang, "On and On." We can play that game until we are blue in the face. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 16:41:31 GMT -5
We had three 1st round picks in ‘19. One of them is on another team, another is underperforming, and the other is Jekyll and Hyde. So as you can see, it’s not always great with draft picks. More doesn’t always mean better. We can dissect and analyze this to death. Point is, we had two top players ready to be plucked by us. Parsons, and Slater. And we choose to go the other route. I want to look back at this in let’s say 3-5 years. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. 25 teams passed on Ray Lewis in that draft and Warren Sapp and Randy Moss and Brady and, as Singer/Songwriter Stephen Bishop once sang, "On and On." We can play that game until we are blue in the face. No kidding. Point was, we missed on him. Who cares about those other teams? |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 24, 2021 16:45:02 GMT -5
absolutely should have taken Parsons ! I fell to the floor when we made that deal because I knew he wouldn’t be there at #17 Then I was sure we would take Bateman or Moore but we took the knucklehead instead ! Now the question is will it be Gettleman handling next year’s two 1st rounders… Geeesshh !!!! We received 2 first rounds for 1. It was the right move. You never turn down an extra first round pick. Unless you're passing up a can't miss QB and need a QB. Not for a LT when you just drafted one 4th overall. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 24, 2021 16:48:09 GMT -5
Could have had Parsons instead of Toney. If there is any chance Barkley can be Rookie of the Year type Barkley again then we have to keep him but only time will tell. Would be nice to see him start making some great plays again. absolutely should have taken Parsons ! I fell to the floor when we made that deal because I knew he wouldn’t be there at #17 Then I was sure we would take Bateman or Moore but we took the knucklehead instead ! Now the question is will it be Gettleman handling next year’s two 1st rounders… Geeesshh !!!! Well I can only hope Toney does some great things soon.  |
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 24, 2021 16:49:20 GMT -5
25 teams passed on Ray Lewis in that draft and Warren Sapp and Randy Moss and Brady and, as Singer/Songwriter Stephen Bishop once sang, "On and On." We can play that game until we are blue in the face. No kidding. Point was, we missed on him. Who cares about those other teams? It's not like the Giants are the only team that made that mistake. Sure would have been nice if they had Baltimore's insight. They didn't and so didn't virtually the entire NFL. |
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Post by Bigjeep on Sept 24, 2021 17:06:19 GMT -5
In hindsight, the Barkley pick was bad. Running backs are a dime a dozen and without a OL worthless as we are finding out! So yes, trade him!
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 17:09:09 GMT -5
We received 2 first rounds for 1. It was the right move. We had three 1st round picks in ‘19. One of them is on another team, another is underperforming, and the other is Jekyll and Hyde. So as you can see, it’s not always great with draft picks. More doesn’t always mean better. We can dissect and analyze this to death. Point is, we had two top players ready to be plucked by us. Parsons, and Slater. And we choose to go the other route. I want to look back at this in let’s say 3-5 years. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. It has nothing to do with this years deal. None of it. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 17:13:51 GMT -5
We had three 1st round picks in ‘19. One of them is on another team, another is underperforming, and the other is Jekyll and Hyde. So as you can see, it’s not always great with draft picks. More doesn’t always mean better. We can dissect and analyze this to death. Point is, we had two top players ready to be plucked by us. Parsons, and Slater. And we choose to go the other route. I want to look back at this in let’s say 3-5 years. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. It has nothing to do with this years deal. None of it. Years of losing. And we’re still focusing on the future over the present. |
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