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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 1, 2021 14:10:03 GMT -5
Erheart/Perkins base Arians runs or did run the Gilbride vertical version Very easy to tweak to taste as it's just a numbers system with option routes featured Technically even tbe air raid is an Erheart/Perkins mutation That vertical system is still very much the base and Tom shows it on weekends. The pats OFF was fundamentally based on beating you horizontally. McDaniels has a good thing going. Im personally a fan. Yep It's all forms of tbe Erheart/Perkins... When your recievers can read defenses pre snap and then adjust post snap to run the right holes and the qb is even average at reading a defense its unstoppable (as long as your line doesn't suck and your recievers don't suck ) Jones ran a form of this at Duke ..which is why it's even more mystifying that Judge who obviously comes from a place where tbis system was a staple didn't bring someone here that ran this as Jones wouldn't have had any learning curve to a completely foreign offense to him |
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 1, 2021 14:14:37 GMT -5
Remember “Killdrive” … lol Where are all of those geniuses now? Guy was an all-time great OC At some point his offense was figured out by the entire league. lol ... ok |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 14:18:38 GMT -5
That vertical system is still very much the base and Tom shows it on weekends. The pats OFF was fundamentally based on beating you horizontally. McDaniels has a good thing going. Im personally a fan. Yep It's all forms of tbe Erheart/Perkins... When your recievers can read defenses pre snap and then adjust post snap to run the right holes and the qb is even average at reading a defense its unstoppable (as long as your line doesn't suck and your recievers don't suck ) Jones ran a form of this at Duke ..which is why it's even more mystifying that Judge who obviously comes from a place where tbis system was a staple didn't bring someone here that ran this as Jones wouldn't have had any learning curve to a completely foreign offense to him Duke ran a spread offense with Air Raid concepts at Duke in 2018. That coupled with zero NFL talent at WR explains why Duke never succeeded in the ACC during Jones' time there. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 1, 2021 14:24:08 GMT -5
Yep It's all forms of tbe Erheart/Perkins... When your recievers can read defenses pre snap and then adjust post snap to run the right holes and the qb is even average at reading a defense its unstoppable (as long as your line doesn't suck and your recievers don't suck ) Jones ran a form of this at Duke ..which is why it's even more mystifying that Judge who obviously comes from a place where tbis system was a staple didn't bring someone here that ran this as Jones wouldn't have had any learning curve to a completely foreign offense to him Duke ran a spread offense with Air Raid concepts at Duke in 2018. That coupled with zero NFL talent at WR explains why Duke never succeeded in the ACC during Jones' time there. Air raid concepts are basically Erheart/Perkins concepts albeit a more ball control mutation and much simpler option routes Think back to when Erheart was OC in Pittsburgh and they ran that spread mutation of that system... Crenell brought that version to New England in 2000 That right there was actually the birth of what would become the air raid |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 14:30:27 GMT -5
Duke ran a spread offense with Air Raid concepts at Duke in 2018. That coupled with zero NFL talent at WR explains why Duke never succeeded in the ACC during Jones' time there. Air raid concepts are basically Erheart/Perkins concepts albeit a more ball control mutation and much simpler option routes Think back to when Erheart was OC in Pittsburgh and they ran that spread mutation of that system... Crenell brought that version to New England in 2000 That right there was actually the birth of what would become the air raid Air Raid is an aspect of the Spread Offense.. There are 4. Air Raid, Spread Option, Pro-Style Spread & Smashmouth Spread. Erheart is a completely different thing. The AirRaid offense caught on with the NFL after Hal Mumme executed it to perfection at Kentucky in 1997. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 1, 2021 14:33:29 GMT -5
Air raid concepts are basically Erheart/Perkins concepts albeit a more ball control mutation and much simpler option routes Think back to when Erheart was OC in Pittsburgh and they ran that spread mutation of that system... Crenell brought that version to New England in 2000 That right there was actually the birth of what would become the air raid Air Raid is an aspect of the Spread Offense.. There are 4. Air Raid, Spread Option, Pro-Style Spread & Smashmouth Spread. Erheart is a completely different thing. The AirRaid offense caught on with the NFL after Hal Mumme executed it to perfection at Kentucky in 1997. Still an number system based option route system... Which gets its roots from the Erheart/Perkins though a few varients use more run and shoot principles where recievers basicly free lance based on coverage and don't have a route tree number assigned to then |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 14:37:25 GMT -5
Air Raid is an aspect of the Spread Offense.. There are 4. Air Raid, Spread Option, Pro-Style Spread & Smashmouth Spread. Erheart is a completely different thing. The AirRaid offense caught on with the NFL after Hal Mumme executed it to perfection at Kentucky in 1997. Still an number system based option route system... Which gets its roots from the Erheart/Perkins though a few varients use more run and shoot principles where recievers basicly free lance based on coverage and don't have a route tree number assigned to then You want to make those things true but it isn't. |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 1, 2021 15:39:01 GMT -5
If Mara called that offense broken, what would he say about this one? Seems it's a different story when he was the one recommending Garrett. Mara is not a thinking man. I think Judges conservative coaching philosophy ties in well with Garretts schematics. As much as I dislike Mara, I dont think Garrett was pushed on Judge. I believe Ranaan mentioned this very fact on his most recent podcast Not pushed, but he was recommended. Which obviously is going to carry a lot of weight, especially for a first time head coach. I do believe if Judge didn't want Garrett, he wouldn't have hired him. But if Garrett wasn't recommended, would he be here? That's my problem with an owner making a recommendation that will likely affect the most important decision a new head coach will make. You hire someone, let them make all those decisions. Why put them in that position? And here we are with a struggling HC, which is largely in part to Garrett's failures. |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 1, 2021 15:41:28 GMT -5
Mara is not a thinking man. I think Judges conservative coaching philosophy ties in well with Garretts schematics. As much as I dislike Mara, I dont think Garrett was pushed on Judge. I believe Ranaan mentioned this very fact on his most recent podcast Not pushed, but he was recommended. Which obviously is going to carry a lot of weight, especially for a first time head coach. I do believe if Judge didn't want Garrett, he wouldn't have hired him. But if Garrett wasn't recommended, would he be here? That's my problem with an owner making a recommendation that will likely affect the most important decision a new head coach will make. You hire someone, let them make all those decisions. Why put them in that position? And here we are with a struggling HC, which is largely in part to Garrett's failures. Right. Judge coaches like a pussy in part to Jason Garrett. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 1, 2021 15:53:31 GMT -5
Mara is not a thinking man. I think Judges conservative coaching philosophy ties in well with Garretts schematics. As much as I dislike Mara, I dont think Garrett was pushed on Judge. I believe Ranaan mentioned this very fact on his most recent podcast Not pushed, but he was recommended. Which obviously is going to carry a lot of weight, especially for a first time head coach. I do believe if Judge didn't want Garrett, he wouldn't have hired him. But if Garrett wasn't recommended, would he be here? That's my problem with an owner making a recommendation that will likely affect the most important decision a new head coach will make. You hire someone, let them make all those decisions. Why put them in that position? And here we are with a struggling HC, which is largely in part to Garrett's failures. You act like Judge doesn't see the game plan every week and Garret and offense practice in secret. Judge knows everything on that offense. Obviously he doesn't see a problem and signs off on the game plan. |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 1, 2021 16:01:18 GMT -5
Not pushed, but he was recommended. Which obviously is going to carry a lot of weight, especially for a first time head coach. I do believe if Judge didn't want Garrett, he wouldn't have hired him. But if Garrett wasn't recommended, would he be here? That's my problem with an owner making a recommendation that will likely affect the most important decision a new head coach will make. You hire someone, let them make all those decisions. Why put them in that position? And here we are with a struggling HC, which is largely in part to Garrett's failures. You act like Judge doesn't see the game plan every week and Garret and offense practice in secret. Judge knows everything on that offense. Obviously he doesn't see a problem and signs off on the game plan. I agree. I'm just talking about the hiring process of Garrett. It's only week 4, we don't know how Judge feels about Garrett or the offense. I don't know that Judge is someone who has a lot of input on the schematics of the offense. He didn't bring in 3 offensive advisors this off season for nothing. |
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 1, 2021 16:03:13 GMT -5
"Snyder" is the name of my High School.. Sure it was Daniel!! Henry Snyder High School, Jersey City, NJ |
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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 1, 2021 16:05:18 GMT -5
You act like Judge doesn't see the game plan every week and Garret and offense practice in secret. Judge knows everything on that offense. Obviously he doesn't see a problem and signs off on the game plan. I agree. I'm just talking about the hiring process of Garrett. It's only week 4, we don't know how Judge feels about Garrett or the offense. I don't know that Judge is someone who has a lot of input on the schematics of the offense. He didn't bring in 3 offensive advisors this off season for nothing. Yeah that's the problem no one knows what Judge actually does. |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 1, 2021 16:14:07 GMT -5
I agree. I'm just talking about the hiring process of Garrett. It's only week 4, we don't know how Judge feels about Garrett or the offense. I don't know that Judge is someone who has a lot of input on the schematics of the offense. He didn't bring in 3 offensive advisors this off season for nothing. Yeah that's the problem no one knows what Judge actually does. I think he is a CEO type coach who oversees lots of areas on the team. In the mold of Coughlin or Parcells. That's how Belichick characterized him. Not to say he knows nothing about offense or defense. It's the type of coach I want, as opposed to someone who is dedicated to one side of the ball like Shurmur of McAdoo. |
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 1, 2021 16:21:26 GMT -5
I'll admit to being wrong about this (because I was excited about Garrett...prove me wrong Jason), but the more I look at it, the more I'm shocked Jason Garrett was a match for Joe Judge philosophically based on Joe's background, which is much more rooted in different systems. All the more reason to believe Garrett was forced on Judge for whatever reason The fact Judge has Kitchens (an Erheart/Perkins- aid raid guy ) on staff is also telling I also believe that Garrett was forced on Judge and if this crap show continues Judge will have no choice but to replace him rather than do down the drain himself.. |
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