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Post by DJones19 on Oct 13, 2021 10:05:55 GMT -5
Much more likely scenario is that Garrett is head coach on another staff next year.
12th ranked offense (despite all the injuries) and helped make Jones arguably a franchise QB this year should put him on more teams radars.
So maybe we should start talking about OCs.
Gruden? Just kidding.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Oct 13, 2021 10:08:23 GMT -5
Garrett has always been the back up plan. The Mara's love to install their cronies.
Hey, Gruden is available. I know a few guys on here would love Gruden...LMAO
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 13, 2021 10:08:33 GMT -5
Winner of craziest thread this week goes here. You had some solid competition so congrats!! Awesome thread!! |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 13, 2021 10:09:45 GMT -5
Much more likely scenario is that Garrett is head coach on another staff next year. 12th ranked offense (despite all the injuries) and helped make Jones arguably a franchise QB this year should put him on more teams radars. So maybe we should start talking about OCs. Gruden? Just kidding. I say Kitchens...probably the guy Judge wanted to begin with |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 13, 2021 10:16:35 GMT -5
I hadn't thought either was going anywhere at this point. To fire Judge after a year and a third is short sided. Who would come here and try and rebuild ?
To fire Garrett at this point with half his offense and every offensive weapon injured including Toney would be a crap move with no understanding how to fix it. Whats Kitchens or anybody else doing replacing 1st stringers with backups and putting in something new thats going to make the offense explosive ?
Give me a break. The LT Andrews returns should help, Toney will play by grace of football Gods thru injury and no suspension. Price seems good enough, Anybody and everybody plays LG, RT seems to be a rotation. Shep, Slayton, Goladay, Jones, and SQB all out.
With all this were going to now put a new OC in for what reason. What you think your putting in mid season thats changing anything ? The new OC is calling some different magical plays ? Don't we have enough going on right now ?
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 13, 2021 10:24:13 GMT -5
Anyone seeing this play out with a few more losses? Garrett becomes interm HC they see how he does then decided in the offseason which way to go. Absolutely NO chance of this happening. |
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 13, 2021 10:26:59 GMT -5
Garrett is a good OC, and that's it's. Many guys are just better off specializing than being the "big boss;" Leslie Frazer and shurmur come to mind. Judge has some proving to do but he's more head guy material.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 10:33:51 GMT -5
Garrett is a good OC, and that's it's. Many guys are just better off specializing than being the "big boss;" Leslie Frazer and shurmur come to mind. Judge has some proving to do but he's more head guy material. I think Garret is a better HC (team manager) and a below average coordinator |
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Post by nygiantfanalways on Oct 13, 2021 10:42:05 GMT -5
Anyone seeing this play out with a few more losses? Garrett becomes interm HC they see how he does then decided in the offseason which way to go. Too be honest I always thought this was the Giants front office plan from the beginning. When I read that Garrett was going to NY for an interview. I told my brother, "well Jason Garrett is going to be the Giants new head coach." Then all of a sudden it was announced that Judge was hired. Judge obviously wowed the Giants in his interview. Most likely with all of his big words that he uses. But, having Garrett as the OC would make it easy for the front office to promote him to head coach if Judge flopped. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 13, 2021 11:11:07 GMT -5
Then the only GM replacement would have to come from inside the organization. Not many worthy external GM candidates want an incumbent HC (with an awful record and track history) imposed upon them. So hello Abrams. If they let Abrams get the job next, we are ****ed for at least the next 5 years. while I would not be surprised at all if the team did hire Abrams, I do not think it would have anything to do with the timing of letting DG go, rather just "how they do things" |
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Post by imgrate on Oct 13, 2021 11:30:15 GMT -5
Interesting thought. I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Could be a semi evaluation period. Barring some miracle the season is about over. If he opens the playbook to see what our weapons can do as part of the eval.. then maybe. It appears to me that Judge is in over his head and his ceiling is ST coach. We know about Getty and since Judge either hired or was influential in the coordinators pick then he should bear the brunt of the blame for their failures. This scenario would be acceptable to me on these conditions: Getty is gone, Garrett has to sing for supper meaning that his future as HC is not guaranteed after this interim period and the new GM will decide to keep or discard. The coordinators are also gone too. I would wait until the bye before doing this that way it would be a natural break.. If Mara had this idea in his head he should be looking for a replacement GM - now. If Garrett was always choce 1a either by him or Fredo (or both )it 1.Confirms Fredo is in ultimate control of everything 2.thiz franchise now becomes the Lions for future decades of ineptitude I'll spin this on the bright side. Sean Payton has NY ties and with Brees gone, wants to move into a front office role. We give him the keys to the house. Bing bang boom, Fredo reveals himself to be Vincent Mancini and all is good in the world |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 13, 2021 13:03:21 GMT -5
Winner of craziest thread this week goes here. You had some solid competition so congrats!! Awesome thread!! lol, just trying to keep the entertainment flowing here. Honestly i have no idea what Mara will do now its so assed up. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 13, 2021 13:07:30 GMT -5
Garrett has always been the back up plan. The Mara's love to install their cronies. Hey, Gruden is available. I know a few guys on here would love Gruden...LMAO In the back of my mind i always felt he was the backup plan if judge didnt work out with so much HC experience. If we get a new GM and keep judge would 2022 excuse be hey we have a new GM give it a few years? Then finally a new HC. Then first year new HC? So are we talking 2024-2025 now before we can be good again? Geez |
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Post by jmike on Oct 13, 2021 13:14:12 GMT -5
Garrett has always been the back up plan. The Mara's love to install their cronies. Hey, Gruden is available. I know a few guys on here would love Gruden...LMAO In the back of my mind i always felt he was the backup plan if judge didnt work out with so much HC experience. If we get a new GM and keep judge would 2022 excuse be hey we have a new GM give it a few years? Then finally a new HC. Then first year new HC? So are we talking 2024-2025 now before we can be good again? Geez I think that is quite optimistic. As long as John Mara is still making the decisions, things will not improve. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 13, 2021 13:21:29 GMT -5
In the back of my mind i always felt he was the backup plan if judge didnt work out with so much HC experience. If we get a new GM and keep judge would 2022 excuse be hey we have a new GM give it a few years? Then finally a new HC. Then first year new HC? So are we talking 2024-2025 now before we can be good again? Geez I think that is quite optimistic. As long as John Mara is still making the decisions, things will not improve. This is depressing, knowing the rebuild was botched up and to boot he handled the salary cap poorly also. |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Oct 13, 2021 13:35:43 GMT -5
It's a possibility that they fire judge midway through if things continue to be really bad. But, I don't see them keeping Garrett on as HC beyond this season even if he does have some success.
There had better be a mass exodus after this season. Everyone was put on notice that they needed to compete this year. They aren't. So it's time for the ax to come down.
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 13, 2021 13:48:33 GMT -5
lol, just trying to keep the entertainment flowing here. Honestly i have no idea what Mara will do now its so assed up. We're running the table |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 13, 2021 13:50:51 GMT -5
lol, just trying to keep the entertainment flowing here. Honestly i have no idea what Mara will do now its so assed up. 10-7 until mathematically impossible |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 13, 2021 13:53:15 GMT -5
lol, just trying to keep the entertainment flowing here. Honestly i have no idea what Mara will do now its so assed up. 10-7 until mathematically impossible with so many injuries on offense and defense sucking wind, can we get to 6 wins? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 13, 2021 13:55:16 GMT -5
Can't wait until Judge picks his GM
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Post by Blue Hulk on Oct 13, 2021 14:49:11 GMT -5
Can't wait until Judge picks his GM Judge had a say in all the picks. Except for failing to get an OL and Aaron whatever his name, the draft has been decent. What Gettleman has done in free agency however, leaves something to be desired. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 13, 2021 15:18:15 GMT -5
Can't wait until Judge picks his GM Judge had a say in all the picks. Except for failing to get an OL and Aaron whatever his name, the draft has been decent. What Gettleman has done in free agency however, leaves something to be desired. desperate Dave trying to make up for all his mistakes. What a clown. |
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 13, 2021 16:56:31 GMT -5
I hadn't thought either was going anywhere at this point. To fire Judge after a year and a third is short sided. Who would come here and try and rebuild ? To fire Garrett at this point with half his offense and every offensive weapon injured including Toney would be a crap move with no understanding how to fix it. Whats Kitchens or anybody else doing replacing 1st stringers with backups and putting in something new thats going to make the offense explosive ? Give me a break. The LT Andrews returns should help, Toney will play by grace of football Gods thru injury and no suspension. Price seems good enough, Anybody and everybody plays LG, RT seems to be a rotation. Shep, Slayton, Goladay, Jones, and SQB all out. With all this were going to now put a new OC in for what reason. What you think your putting in mid season thats changing anything ? The new OC is calling some different magical plays ? Don't we have enough going on right now ? Everyone's jobs are on the line starting against the Panthers. We should have a large part of the offense back and that is how these guys will earn or lose their jobs. They hold this team together and put together some type of decent season the second half and they will be retained. This team performs like this the rest of the year and the blood will flow. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 13, 2021 18:07:40 GMT -5
I hadn't thought either was going anywhere at this point. To fire Judge after a year and a third is short sided. Who would come here and try and rebuild ? To fire Garrett at this point with half his offense and every offensive weapon injured including Toney would be a crap move with no understanding how to fix it. Whats Kitchens or anybody else doing replacing 1st stringers with backups and putting in something new thats going to make the offense explosive ? Give me a break. The LT Andrews returns should help, Toney will play by grace of football Gods thru injury and no suspension. Price seems good enough, Anybody and everybody plays LG, RT seems to be a rotation. Shep, Slayton, Goladay, Jones, and SQB all out. With all this were going to now put a new OC in for what reason. What you think your putting in mid season thats changing anything ? The new OC is calling some different magical plays ? Don't we have enough going on right now ? Everyone's jobs are on the line starting against the Panthers. We should have a large part of the offense back and that is how these guys will earn or lose their jobs. They hold this team together and put together some type of decent season the second half and they will be retained. This team performs like this the rest of the year and the blood will flow. By the look of the schedule we could go maybe 4-4 in the 2nd half of the season. The first half we'll be lucky to win another game. 1-8 coming up. Possibly 2-7. |
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Post by coughlinscorner on Oct 13, 2021 19:12:21 GMT -5
No. Judge is safe. After Mara got boo'd there will certainly be blood IMO, but won't be Judge. Also we will see how the rest of the season goes. 1 week ago we were the kings of the world. Judge has been an embarrassment… and no new talented and young GM comes knocking if they can’t select their coach… and coaches want their QB’s…. The Giants are in a Mara mess…. In the history of the franchise the only 2 GMs who came in the same year as a new coach were Andy Robustelli hiring Bill Arnsberger in 1974 and George Young hiring Ray Perkins in 1979. How is that even possible? Backwards ownership for decades. Old Wellington gets remembered much more fondly than he should have because truth be told he was just as bad as John is. The apple doesn't fall from the tree. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 13, 2021 19:17:38 GMT -5
Judge has been an embarrassment… and no new talented and young GM comes knocking if they can’t select their coach… and coaches want their QB’s…. The Giants are in a Mara mess…. In the history of the franchise the only 2 GMs who came in the same year as a new coach were Andy Robustelli hiring Bill Arnsberger in 1974 and George Young hiring Ray Perkins in 1979. How is that even possible? Backwards ownership for decades. Old Wellington gets remembered much more fondly than he should have because truth be told he was just as bad as John is. The apple doesn't fall from the tree. And what were Andy Robustelli's credentials that made him qualified to be a GM? Oh wait |
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Post by allnygin on Oct 13, 2021 20:35:44 GMT -5
Nope, but I mean if anyone's being really honest.. what has he done to show confidence this season that he should have a job? I still do like Judge, but i'm starting to wonder.
Besides, if Getty goes... should judge go?
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Post by Martin on Oct 13, 2021 21:23:21 GMT -5
4 Head coaches: Couglin, McAdoo, Shurmer, Judge 2 GMs: Reese, Gettleman Same problems remain. One might think that the problem isn't the coach or GM but the person selecting the coach and GM. Why would replacing either of them change anything if the same person is selecting the replacement? This is the problem that many don't want to address. I understand why because its very depressing knowing this issue will not change. Meaning the Giants situation will be in dire straits for a long time. Not a pretty picture that at this rate the Giants will make the 1970's look like the golden years. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 14, 2021 0:18:54 GMT -5
Nope, but I mean if anyone's being really honest.. what has he done to show confidence this season that he should have a job? I still do like Judge, but i'm starting to wonder. Besides, if Getty goes... should judge go? I didnt love the hire because all reports were that the Giants wanted Rhule and sat on their hands while Carolina woed him. Also he was from Philly. But he seemed from a good coaching background and Deserved a chance. He started to win me over last season. Then i remembered a coworker from philly who was a good talker and then I realized Judge had us all fooled with the solid fundamentals and discipline talk. |
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Post by giantsforce on Oct 14, 2021 0:44:31 GMT -5
lol, just trying to keep the entertainment flowing here. Honestly i have no idea what Mara will do now its so assed up. Maybe he is waiting for things to self correct Mr. Humphries. You know like "it will ride up with wear" kind of thing! |
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