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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 14, 2021 10:15:04 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel
Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel
Let this sink in
Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 14, 2021 11:09:51 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel Let this sink in Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here I will stay positive if they go from within which they will I am hoping maybe Pettit he's young but I doubt it. This is a lesser of many evils thing at this point, Unless Mara heard the boos loud and clear directed at him and him alone, during the Eli Manning # retirement ceremony. Gotta hurt for John Mara for all that is said about him he loves this team and wants to be the reason they get better not the reason they are Laughing stocks. |
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Post by jmike on Oct 14, 2021 11:12:13 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel Let this sink in Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here Which is why I have never understood the inordinate amount of hate towards Gettleman by Giants fans. Whether he is a good or bad GM is irrelevant to the Giants current situation. |
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Post by jimmieray on Oct 14, 2021 11:20:29 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel Let this sink in Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here Which is why I have never understood the inordinate amount of hate towards Gettleman by Giants fans. Whether he is a good or bad GM is irrelevant to the Giants current situation. Wasn't there a requirement at the interviews to be fully on board with Manning being the uncontested QB for the near future, and what coach/pieces would be priority in establishing that? |
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Post by jmike on Oct 14, 2021 11:26:09 GMT -5
Which is why I have never understood the inordinate amount of hate towards Gettleman by Giants fans. Whether he is a good or bad GM is irrelevant to the Giants current situation. Wasn't there a requirement at the interviews to be fully on board with Manning being the uncontested QB for the near future, and what coach/pieces would be priority in establishing that? I have no idea, but it is possible. |
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Post by jimmieray on Oct 14, 2021 11:39:44 GMT -5
Wasn't there a requirement at the interviews to be fully on board with Manning being the uncontested QB for the near future, and what coach/pieces would be priority in establishing that? I have no idea, but it is possible. That's what was proposed here, even before the hiring process. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 14, 2021 11:42:14 GMT -5
Omg, mr Burns knows only nepotism, after all thats how he got his job.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 14, 2021 11:42:41 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel Let this sink in Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here Which is why I have never understood the inordinate amount of hate towards Gettleman by Giants fans. Whether he is a good or bad GM is irrelevant to the Giants current situation. Right now the Giants are in a situation where they were before TC got asked to resign only it was the coaching staff they took it apart piece by piece hoping it would fix there problems well they wasted years doing that, now they have take deep look into their methods and their leadership from top to Bottom they need an outside voice to help them sort through what there deep seeded issues are and where to turn to get them fixed. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 14, 2021 11:43:44 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel Let this sink in Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here Which is why I have never understood the inordinate amount of hate towards Gettleman by Giants fans. Whether he is a good or bad GM is irrelevant to the Giants current situation. I dont hate him. I just think he is the worst GM in the league and should have been fired after the SQB pick. Thats all. |
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Post by Helmet on Oct 14, 2021 11:45:02 GMT -5
Which is why I have never understood the inordinate amount of hate towards Gettleman by Giants fans. Whether he is a good or bad GM is irrelevant to the Giants current situation. Wasn't there a requirement at the interviews to be fully on board with Manning being the uncontested QB for the near future, and what coach/pieces would be priority in establishing that? Source? Fans started this rumor and it became the narrative. That said, DG sold Mara on "evolution, not revolution" -- he undoubtedly told him what he wanted to hear. He convinced Mara that they could win around Manning while rebuilding for the future. After the derided Barkley pick, he had another shot in the next draft with 12 picks going into that draft, and what ended up being 3 first round picks. He picked his QB at #6. He's had more than a fair shot at a complete rebuild, and so far it hasn't worked. I don't understand why fans are still hung up on the Barkley pick, that's ancient history now. A GM will make good moves and bad moves. To me, the bigger issue is that we're in year four now and there's little improvement, and he's had multiple chances. Rather than spending those high picks on a RB, or even QB, they should have been rebuilding the trenches first, so any capable QB has a chance to succeed. Same thing goes with the obsession over WR. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 14, 2021 11:45:17 GMT -5
I have no idea, but it is possible. That's what was proposed here, even before the hiring process. To tell you the truth not sure if it was like that and no one outside of their offices knows I think cap wise class wise they wanted Eli to finish up here and actually be a mentor as he was most of his last year. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 14, 2021 11:49:55 GMT -5
Wasn't there a requirement at the interviews to be fully on board with Manning being the uncontested QB for the near future, and what coach/pieces would be priority in establishing that? Source? Fans started this rumor and it became the narrative. That said, DG sold Mara on "evolution, not revolution" -- he undoubtedly told him what he wanted to hear. He convinced Mara that they could win around Manning while rebuilding for the future. After the derided Barkley pick, he had another shot in the next draft with 12 picks going into that draft, and what ended up being 3 first round picks. He picked his QB at #6. He's had more than a fair shot at a complete rebuild, and so far it hasn't worked. I don't understand why fans are still hung up on the Barkley pick, that's ancient history now. A GM will make good moves and bad moves. To me, the bigger issue is that we're in year four now and there's little improvement, and he's had multiple chances. Rather than spending those high picks on a RB, or even QB, they should have been rebuilding the trenches first, so any capable QB has a chance to succeed. Same thing goes with the obsession over WR. The biggest issue to date is, a complete tear down takes some time but by year 4 your teams strengths should aligned with stopping the team in your divisions strengths that has not happened the Eagles are on their second rebuild the Cowboys have changed a lot over those years also only the Giants and to a degree Washington stays the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 11:50:22 GMT -5
Which is why I have never understood the inordinate amount of hate towards Gettleman by Giants fans. Whether he is a good or bad GM is irrelevant to the Giants current situation. Wasn't there a requirement at the interviews to be fully on board with Manning being the uncontested QB for the near future, and what coach/pieces would be priority in establishing that? Only in the land of make believe and excuses.. I see now it's time to blame everyone besides the GM who is now just a puppet so with this idea I guess the team will suck until the owners and family are all gone.. Yeah!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 11:51:31 GMT -5
Source? Fans started this rumor and it became the narrative. That said, DG sold Mara on "evolution, not revolution" -- he undoubtedly told him what he wanted to hear. He convinced Mara that they could win around Manning while rebuilding for the future. After the derided Barkley pick, he had another shot in the next draft with 12 picks going into that draft, and what ended up being 3 first round picks. He picked his QB at #6. He's had more than a fair shot at a complete rebuild, and so far it hasn't worked. I don't understand why fans are still hung up on the Barkley pick, that's ancient history now. A GM will make good moves and bad moves. To me, the bigger issue is that we're in year four now and there's little improvement, and he's had multiple chances. Rather than spending those high picks on a RB, or even QB, they should have been rebuilding the trenches first, so any capable QB has a chance to succeed. Same thing goes with the obsession over WR. The biggest issue to date is, a complete tear down takes some time but by year 4 your teams strengths should aligned with stopping the team in your divisions strengths that has not happened the Eagles are on their second rebuild the Cowboys have changed a lot over those years also only the Giants and to a degree Washington stays the same.Sad but true! Both of these organizations are so poorly run now.. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 14, 2021 11:56:42 GMT -5
The biggest issue to date is, a complete tear down takes some time but by year 4 your teams strengths should aligned with stopping the team in your divisions strengths that has not happened the Eagles are on their second rebuild the Cowboys have changed a lot over those years also only the Giants and to a degree Washington stays the same.Sad but true! Both of these organizations are so poorly run now.. Exactly for a long time this was a 4 horse race yes they had their down years but were run good enough to climb out of it quickly not anymore. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 14, 2021 12:04:31 GMT -5
Wasn't there a requirement at the interviews to be fully on board with Manning being the uncontested QB for the near future, and what coach/pieces would be priority in establishing that? Only in the land of make believe and excuses.. I see now it's time to blame everyone besides the GM who is now just a puppet so with this idea I guess the team will suck until the owners and family are all gone.. Yeah!! Nah this starts with Mara, DG he has as much a share of the blame as anyone, the only thing I will give him is he is part of the last 3 seasons and 5 games, the rest starting back probably around 2009 with the lousy personnel moves and bad drafts was some one else, he was borught here to fix it and didn't so he needs to go to the cape and relax. These guys screwed this up so bad they inherited a young Playoff contender coach QB and Pass Rush already there and OL just really sad. This is why it is imperative to go outside and get some help. last couple coma down the pipe line and it isn't working Accorsi was an outsider he did Ok . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 12:10:58 GMT -5
Only in the land of make believe and excuses.. I see now it's time to blame everyone besides the GM who is now just a puppet so with this idea I guess the team will suck until the owners and family are all gone.. Yeah!! Nah this starts with Mara, DG he has as much a share of the blame as anyone, the only thing I will give him is he is part of the last 3 seasons and 5 games, the rest starting back probably around 2009 with the lousy personnel moves and bad drafts was some one else, he was borught here to fix it and didn't so he needs to go to the cape and relax. These guys screwed this up so bad they inherited a young Playoff contender coach QB and Pass Rush already there and OL just really sad. This is why it is imperative to go outside and get some help. last couple coma down the pipe line and it isn't working Accorsi was an outsider he did Ok . You will get no argument from me that they need to clean house with the "family" and bring in some more modern thinking personnel.. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 14, 2021 12:21:58 GMT -5
Nah this starts with Mara, DG he has as much a share of the blame as anyone, the only thing I will give him is he is part of the last 3 seasons and 5 games, the rest starting back probably around 2009 with the lousy personnel moves and bad drafts was some one else, he was borught here to fix it and didn't so he needs to go to the cape and relax. These guys screwed this up so bad they inherited a young Playoff contender coach QB and Pass Rush already there and OL just really sad. This is why it is imperative to go outside and get some help. last couple coma down the pipe line and it isn't working Accorsi was an outsider he did Ok . You will get no argument from me that they need to clean house with the "family" and bring in some more modern thinking personnel.. Yeah Unfortunately as I just pointed our we have 2 Maras in CEO positions involving player personnel no nore qualified for this jobs than anyone on the forum right now that probably have lifetime jobs because of their last name/bloodline That sounds frighteningly like a franchise death sentence 😳 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 12:28:17 GMT -5
You will get no argument from me that they need to clean house with the "family" and bring in some more modern thinking personnel.. Yeah Unfortunately as I just pointed our we have 2 Maras in CEO positions involving player personnel no nore qualified for this jobs than anyone on the forum right now that probably have lifetime jobs because of their last name/bloodline That sounds frighteningly like a franchise death sentence 😳 Sad but so true!! |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 14, 2021 13:09:53 GMT -5
I don't believe any of this Fredo stuff. It’s pure conspiracy theory based on nothing. Chris Mara has no executive power and isn't making any football decisions for the NY Giants.
Dave Gettleman is running this team from top to bottom, and he alone is making every personnel decision based on recommendations from the scouting department and most likely with consultation from the coaches.
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Post by jmike on Oct 14, 2021 13:26:51 GMT -5
I don't believe any of this Fredo stuff. It’s pure conspiracy theory based on nothing. Chris Mara has no executive power and isn't making any football decisions for the NY Giants. Dave Gettleman is running this team from top to bottom, and he alone is making every personnel decision based on recommendations from the scouting department and most likely with consultation from the coaches. 2 GMs, 4 head coaches....same problems remain. What is the common denominator? |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 14, 2021 13:33:00 GMT -5
I don't believe any of this Fredo stuff. It’s pure conspiracy theory based on nothing. Chris Mara has no executive power and isn't making any football decisions for the NY Giants. Dave Gettleman is running this team from top to bottom, and he alone is making every personnel decision based on recommendations from the scouting department and most likely with consultation from the coaches. 2 GMs, 4 head coaches....same problems remain. What is the common denominator? We won Superbowls with Reese and Coughlin, so your numbers are a bit fudged. Chris Mara was also working with the team during that time. |
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Post by mendy on Oct 14, 2021 13:44:40 GMT -5
That's what was proposed here, even before the hiring process. To tell you the truth not sure if it was like that and no one outside of their offices knows I think cap wise class wise they wanted Eli to finish up here and actually be a mentor as he was most of his last year. We've see QB's elevate their teams and I believe the Upper management of the Giants thought Eli could do that they just didn't give him enough help .Building the team could have gone on with Eli ,they knew what he needed to do his job and failed on all fronts. |
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Post by mendy on Oct 14, 2021 13:51:42 GMT -5
2 GMs, 4 head coaches....same problems remain. What is the common denominator? We won Super bowls with Reese and Coughlin, so your numbers are a bit fudged. Chris Mara was also working with the team during that time. I was under the impression that DG was with the Giants for a few super bowls(not as a GM) ? |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 14, 2021 13:54:50 GMT -5
We won Super bowls with Reese and Coughlin, so your numbers are a bit fudged. Chris Mara was also working with the team during that time. I was under the impression that DG was with the Giants for a few super bowls(not as a GM) ? That's true too. |
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 14, 2021 14:10:10 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel Let this sink in Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here Which is why I have never understood the inordinate amount of hate towards Gettleman by Giants fans. Whether he is a good or bad GM is irrelevant to the Giants current situation. Absolutely. Just shuffling the deck chairs hoping that plugs the hole in the side of the ship. |
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 14, 2021 15:13:31 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel Let this sink in Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here too many Maras in the kitchen are spoiling the dinner.. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 14, 2021 15:17:42 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel Let this sink in Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here too many Maras in the kitchen is spoiling the dinner.. It's called food poisoning |
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 14, 2021 15:44:56 GMT -5
Fredo isn't the only Mara in a position of authority regarding player/personnel Wellington's grandson Tim McDonnell is co director of player personnel Let this sink in Tbe GM is indeed a sock puppet around here That’s so so bad. I don’t think I want to know how many family members they have on the payroll. Brutal. Gets worse and worse. |
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Post by jmike on Oct 14, 2021 15:49:34 GMT -5
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