nyg2
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Post by nyg2 on Oct 19, 2021 20:42:55 GMT -5
I know a lot of the focus and blame is on John Mara and rightfully so, but let's not forget that Steve Tisch is also the owner of the New York Giants. The Tisch's and Mara's each own 50% of the team. Steve Tisch said that he would have a more hands-on approach starting from the 2020 season with regard to the organization and has supposedly called for a major overhaul. He was the one who spoke to reporters and confirmed his interest in playing a bigger role in the organization by saying "I am involved, but I would like to be more involved. I will become more involved.” John Mara after the 2020 season also confirmed that Steve Tisch is still heavily involved with the organization. Which begs the question is Steve Tisch just ignorant of the fact that John's brother Chris has been heavily involved in personnel decisions and maybe he's someone that needs to be let go along with Gettleman or does he know and is either afraid of confronting John or simply just doesn't care. The point I'm trying to make is, what exactly is Steve doing and why is he ceding all this control to John when it's clear that both John and Chris are running this organization to the ground. Get your head of the sand, Steve!!!
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Post by allnygin on Oct 19, 2021 20:44:37 GMT -5
Apparently some people feel John Mara is more than an adequate owner, Who needs Steve when you got John just killing it with all the right decisions!
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Post by jaymas on Oct 19, 2021 23:06:13 GMT -5
Who cares?
Steve Tisch doesn't do anything.
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 20, 2021 0:36:07 GMT -5
Steve’s role should be to convince the mara’s to step back from operations.
That’s how he should be “more involved”
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 20, 2021 5:49:18 GMT -5
Steve’s more hands on approach is showing up to the office once a month. He’s an expensive footstool.
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Post by nyg2 on Oct 20, 2021 8:27:15 GMT -5
Apparently some people feel John Mara is more than an adequate owner, Who needs Steve when you got John just killing it with all the right decisions! I wouldn't mind Steve's hands-off ownership approach if he was the *full* owner of the team, but you can't have one owner engaging in nepotism and interfering with personnel decisions and the other owner just standing idly by or afraid of having a confrontation about the direction this organization is heading because you don't want to mess up the relationship that you guys have.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 20, 2021 8:34:27 GMT -5
Apparently some people feel John Mara is more than an adequate owner, Who needs Steve when you got John just killing it with all the right decisions! I wouldn't mind Steve's hands-off ownership approach if he was the *full* owner of the team, but you can't have one owner engaging in nepotism and interfering with personnel decisions and the other owner just standing idly by or afraid of having a confrontation about the direction this organization is heading because you don't want to mess up the relationship that you guys have. This is textbook dysfunctional ownership
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Post by allnygin on Oct 20, 2021 8:46:39 GMT -5
Apparently some people feel John Mara is more than an adequate owner, Who needs Steve when you got John just killing it with all the right decisions! I wouldn't mind Steve's hands-off ownership approach if he was the *full* owner of the team, but you can't have one owner engaging in nepotism and interfering with personnel decisions and the other owner just standing idly by or afraid of having a confrontation about the direction this organization is heading because you don't want to mess up the relationship that you guys have. ^^ exactly
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Post by te88 on Oct 20, 2021 9:10:31 GMT -5
Steve’s role should be to convince the mara’s to step back from operations. That’s how he should be “more involved” That would be nice. He should indicate he is tired of being associated with a loser team and push hard for an executive consultant to be hired as President to slash, burn, and lay the organizational foundation for a football rebuild. Many talk about the football rebuild but we are nowhere near being able to even start that process. The organizational structure must be rebuilt FIRST, then you bring in the football people to fill the appropriate roles in that structure. The Giants need a business and performance executive consultant. Not more “football men”
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2021 9:22:47 GMT -5
I know a lot of the focus and blame is on John Mara and rightfully so, but let's not forget that Steve Tisch is also the owner of the New York Giants. The Tisch's and Mara's each own 50% of the team. Steve Tisch said that he would have a more hands-on approach starting from the 2020 season with regard to the organization and has supposedly called for a major overhaul. He was the one who spoke to reporters and confirmed his interest in playing a bigger role in the organization by saying "I am involved, but I would like to be more involved. I will become more involved.” John Mara after the 2020 season also confirmed that Steve Tisch is still heavily involved with the organization. Which begs the question is Steve Tisch just ignorant of the fact that John's brother Chris has been heavily involved in personnel decisions and maybe he's someone that needs to be let go along with Gettleman or does he know and is either afraid of confronting John or simply just doesn't care. The point I'm trying to make is, what exactly is Steve doing and why is he ceding all this control to John when it's clear that both John and Chris are running this organization to the ground. Get your head of the sand, Steve!!! Steve Tisch is as much the problem here he wanted OBJ signed as much as Mara and thought he and Odell were buddies until he found out about the interview begging to get out lol, where he is busy rubbing elbows in Hollyweird working his day job. He might be able to get Mara to move his little bro Fredo into the kitchen or something if he is at all interested. On a serious note Tisch lost a child a while back that has a lasting affect he might still be dealing with that internally it sucks.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2021 9:25:41 GMT -5
Steve’s role should be to convince the mara’s to step back from operations. That’s how he should be “more involved” That would be nice. He should indicate he is tired of being associated with a loser team and push hard for an executive consultant to be hired as President to slash, burn, and lay the organizational foundation for a football rebuild. Many talk about the football rebuild but we are nowhere near being able to even start that process. The organizational structure must be rebuilt FIRST, then you bring in the football people to fill the appropriate roles in that structure. The Giants need a business and performance executive consultant. Not more “football men” really I think he might say something this time, he has been along for the ride and they keep getting lost I'm sure he has some idea's of how he would like to do things to get out of this mess and he should let it be none he has as much right as Mara to change things.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 20, 2021 9:38:46 GMT -5
He is in it for the money. Nothing more or less. I don't see anything wrong with that. He at least tries to let football people make football decisions. Unfortunately, the people he thinks are football guys (John and Fredo) are nothing more than wannabes that have taken a wrecking ball to this once great franchise.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 20, 2021 9:46:09 GMT -5
He is in it for the money. Nothing more or less. I don't see anything wrong with that. He at least tries to let football people make football decisions. Unfortunately, the people he thinks are football guys (John and Fredo) are nothing more than wannabes that have taken a wrecking ball to this once great franchise. Of course it was a business move but he is not just in for the money. His family/Father originally bought in because they love the NYGs and they are from the area. Steve is hands off and thats what we want our owners to be. Through business I met him few times when they first purchased team before his Dad died and he was like a giddy fan. I hope his influence can get the Mara's to hire good football people so they can retire so to speak
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Post by Martin on Oct 20, 2021 9:48:11 GMT -5
Steve’s role should be to convince the mara’s to step back from operations. That’s how he should be “more involved” I agree. If he truly has a half stake in this organization he has a huge voice and it's time that he uses it. Not in the media but tell his partner that it's time to make huge organizational changes. System changes to be more precise. Steve is a very smart guy and he knows what's really going on here.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 20, 2021 9:53:39 GMT -5
I guess I'm radical in the belief that an owner of a 5 billion dollar franchise should be a "football guy" and take ownership and responsibility of the results on the field. Not on board with the "hands-off" ownership philosophy at all. I rarely see Tisch outside of the Paparazzi videos when he's walking out of some West Hollywood or Beverly Hills club rubbing shoulders with rich celebrities. I'd rather see him throwing chairs and tipping over garbage cans like Mara. hands off doesn't mean they dont' care it just means they know their methods are not working and they need to find people who can get it right.
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Post by Martin on Oct 20, 2021 11:04:44 GMT -5
If your methods and systems don't work whether its manufacturing, distribution / supply chain, R&D or services you must change or modify your system. If the business climate changed than you have to change with it otherwise your left behind. This is the NY Giants currently.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 20, 2021 13:08:54 GMT -5
Tisch is a 50% owner and Mara is a 50% owner.
Mara is the CEO of the company and I am sure that the lawyers have drawn an appropriate operating agreement which spells out how far Mara's authority extends. As CEO, expect them to be very broad and Tisch's to virtually non existent. If Mara has any official title, it is more ceremonial than anything.
Tish's ability to create some positive action will all be based on soft interaction between the 2 owners and NOT on some contractual authority.
Maybe the question should be re-framed to ask why Tisch can't grow a pair of gonads and give his partner a piece of his mind?
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Post by Martin on Oct 20, 2021 13:34:33 GMT -5
Tisch is a 50% owner and Mara is a 50% owner. Mara is the CEO of the company and I am sure that the lawyers have drawn an appropriate operating agreement which spells out how far Mara's authority extends. As CEO, expect them to be very broad and Tisch's to virtually non existent. If Mara has any official title, it is more ceremonial than anything. Tish's ability to create some positive action will all be based on soft interaction between the 2 owners and NOT on some contractual authority. Maybe the question should be re-framed to ask why Tisch can't grow a pair of gonads and give his partner a piece of his mind? yes Jomo this is the direct question. He needs to have a beer with Mara and spell it out for him.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 20, 2021 14:16:43 GMT -5
When the partnership came about didn't Wellington Mara have control of football operations and the Tisch family run the business of the organization supposedly ?
Hey Didn't Tish family helped Rooney Mara with her career as an actress ? Everybodys making money, Tisch gave Mara 500 million back in the day to own 50%. Now the Giants supposedly worth 5 Billion.
Once again everyones making money. Tish seems to be doing his part just fine.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 20, 2021 20:13:18 GMT -5
Only John Mara is to blame. He designed the new stadium and "lied" to the media which both lead to use losing games. Tisch is a saint.
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Post by giantsalmon on Oct 20, 2021 21:48:01 GMT -5
For all we know, the "strange bedfellows" scenario we have with Judge and Garrett could stem from Tisch wanting Judge and Garrett wanting to "play it safe" with one of his faves, local ivy leaguer Garrett.
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Post by mendy on Oct 21, 2021 4:53:45 GMT -5
In the end all we have is assumptions, none of us know the structure of who is doing what inside Giants upper management , it's none of our business.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 21, 2021 9:17:08 GMT -5
nothing is going to change with the ownership or how this franchise is being run until it effects their profit ...
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 21, 2021 9:20:32 GMT -5
That would be nice. He should indicate he is tired of being associated with a loser team and push hard for an executive consultant to be hired as President to slash, burn, and lay the organizational foundation for a football rebuild. Many talk about the football rebuild but we are nowhere near being able to even start that process. The organizational structure must be rebuilt FIRST, then you bring in the football people to fill the appropriate roles in that structure. The Giants need a business and performance executive consultant. Not more “football men” really I think he might say something this time, he has been along for the ride and they keep getting lost I'm sure he has some idea's of how he would like to do things to get out of this mess and he should let it be none he has as much right as Mara to change things. I think the solution for fixing this team is outside of the organization right now, new thinking and new direction is whats needed...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 9:28:46 GMT -5
really I think he might say something this time, he has been along for the ride and they keep getting lost I'm sure he has some idea's of how he would like to do things to get out of this mess and he should let it be none he has as much right as Mara to change things. I think the solution for fixing this team is outside of the organization right now, new thinking and new direction is whats needed... Tisch might be all in on that Mara is not getting it done.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 21, 2021 9:34:05 GMT -5
I think the solution for fixing this team is outside of the organization right now, new thinking and new direction is whats needed... Tisch might be all in on that Mara is not getting it done. I think it will be next to impossible for Mara to admit that he might be a big part of the problem...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 9:40:48 GMT -5
Tisch might be all in on that Mara is not getting it done. I think it will be next to impossible for Mara to admit that he might be a big part of the problem... That I agree with 100% he loves this team and it will be tough but if his 50/50 partner wants some outside help he needs to listen. Tisch has played along and let the so called football people make the decisions it's not working alll they need to do is look at the drafts from around 2009 to now to understand that.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 21, 2021 15:05:28 GMT -5
I think it will be next to impossible for Mara to admit that he might be a big part of the problem... That I agree with 100% he loves this team and it will be tough but if his 50/50 partner wants some outside help he needs to listen. Tisch has played along and let the so called football people make the decisions it's not working alll they need to do is look at the drafts from around 2009 to now to understand that. I wonder if Tisch were making any of the decisions would he have drafted Barkley in round 1 on a team going nowhere..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 15:09:04 GMT -5
That I agree with 100% he loves this team and it will be tough but if his 50/50 partner wants some outside help he needs to listen. Tisch has played along and let the so called football people make the decisions it's not working alll they need to do is look at the drafts from around 2009 to now to understand that. I wonder if Tisch were making any of the decisions would he have drafted Barkley in round 1 on a team going nowhere.. He probably would have gone along with what ever decision the GM and coaches and scouts came to I not why have a GM.
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Post by Martin on Oct 21, 2021 15:10:37 GMT -5
If Tisch continues to profit nicely from this Giants franchise just how far will he go to rock the boat?
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