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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 14:51:32 GMT -5
I'm not talking about general knowledge of the cap or the structure of the cap as a whole or as a concept, so please please enlighten me. I want to see the specific parameters around potential outs in Golladay, Jackson's, and Rudolph's contracts. Same thing with Leonard Williams. I'd also like to see where it's set in stone around what the actual cap limit is going to be one more year removed from the locked down year. You don't even know what the cap number is going to be next year. There is just as much of a chance that it takes the jump it originally intended to this year, which would guarantee even our general cap situation is just fine - before even getting into the actual details of contracts. And finally, your crystal ball around potential restructures, pay cuts, etc. that you see in the coming years. Thanks. No need for a crystal ball. It’s all out there. Play with the numbers all you like. Also, select cap space at the top and look at the Giants vs the rest of the league . . . then play with the numbers. It’s ridiculous Yes...I've looked at over the cap plenty of times. It's an awesome website. It does not contain contract language around outs, and doesn't have the NFL cap set in future years, and considering how little the jump was to this year because of COVID, the Giants probably won't even be as tight against the cap next year as it looks right now. Plenty of teams look exactly like the Giants for the next two years when you go through them. There will be offseason restructures, releases, and a cap number increasing. The Giants as of right now have under 30 guys under contract before the 2023 season just like plenty of other teams. I'm still failing to understand how you know the Giants cap situation is screwed "for years" when you don't know the upcoming cap thresholds, and can't see how releases and restructures are going to play into it, nor know specific outs...regardless of how cool overthecap is. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 15:23:38 GMT -5
overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-giants/ No need for a crystal ball. It’s all out there. Play with the numbers all you like. Also, select cap space at the top and look at the Giants vs the rest of the league . . . then play with the numbers. It’s ridiculous Yes...I've looked at over the cap plenty of times. It's an awesome website. It does not contain contract language around outs, and doesn't have the NFL cap set in future years, and considering how little the jump was to this year because of COVID, the Giants probably won't even be as tight against the cap next year as it looks right now. Plenty of teams look exactly like the Giants for the next two years when you go through them. There will be offseason restructures, releases, and a cap number increasing. The Giants as of right now have under 30 guys under contract before the 2023 season just like plenty of other teams. I'm still failing to understand how you know the Giants cap situation is screwed "for years" when you don't know the upcoming cap thresholds, and can't see how releases and restructures are going to play into it, nor know specific outs...regardless of how cool overthecap is. i don’t understand what language you’re looking for. Salary with a staggered signing bonus. If you restructure the money is guaranteed and be spread out. No verbiage changes the dollars The estimated cap from 21-22 is an estimated $26 million dollar increase. The Giants have almost zero space if the cap rises that high while they arenKt even paying successful players as indicated in the win column. That number is with both the QB and HB on the cheap. That’s insane Yeah, look at who have to restructure just to sign more players. All those dollars become guaranteed. This is such a mess Williams was restructured before taking a snap under his recent contract. Shepherd, who was supposed to be gone after signing Gollladay and going WR in Round 1 is forced back due to a restructure. It’s a disaster. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 16:16:36 GMT -5
Yes...I've looked at over the cap plenty of times. It's an awesome website. It does not contain contract language around outs, and doesn't have the NFL cap set in future years, and considering how little the jump was to this year because of COVID, the Giants probably won't even be as tight against the cap next year as it looks right now. Plenty of teams look exactly like the Giants for the next two years when you go through them. There will be offseason restructures, releases, and a cap number increasing. The Giants as of right now have under 30 guys under contract before the 2023 season just like plenty of other teams. I'm still failing to understand how you know the Giants cap situation is screwed "for years" when you don't know the upcoming cap thresholds, and can't see how releases and restructures are going to play into it, nor know specific outs...regardless of how cool overthecap is. i don’t understand what language you’re looking for. Salary with a staggered signing bonus. If you restructure the money is guaranteed and be spread out. No verbiage changes the dollars The estimated cap from 21-22 is an estimated $26 million dollar increase. The Giants have almost zero space if the cap rises that high while they arenKt even paying successful players as indicated in the win column. That number is with both the QB and HB on the cheap. That’s insane Yeah, look at who have to restructure just to sign more players. All those dollars become guaranteed. This is such a mess Williams was restructured before taking a snap under his recent contract. Shepherd, who was supposed to be gone after signing Gollladay and going WR in Round 1 is forced back due to a restructure. It’s a disaster. 208.2 million ceiling for next season. Restructures will absolutely happen, which is not unique to the Giants. No way in hell James B's cap hit ends up being 22 million next year. Once 2023 comes around, a boat load of contracts go off the books, the cap raises again, and the right players get new contracts or extensions (hopefully) which gives even more flexibility. And outs refers to injury settlements or other conduct related things. Like say Golladay keeps getting hurt and plays x amount of games and it comes down to just needing to release him...maybe there is something in the contract. Honestly, it doesn't matter that's a very minor part of what I was saying, my bad if it sounded like something more important than it is. We're not paying anyone that's not good/a potential part of the solution big money (besides Solder...and his 4 million will undoubtedly move off the books) and arguably Rudolph. There also isn't a projected and glaring dead money situation aka someone who needs to be cut because they are so bad, but the dead money would be silly. Regardless of how this year turns out, Bradberry, Ryan, Williams, Jackson, and even Golladay are either good players that should be part of the solution or good players (Golladay) that have been hurt and get to be a part of the solution...as they should be. None of these guys are a total, blundering mistake like Solder was, not even close. If your point this whole time is that next year is tighter than this year was...well yeah it was just a big free agency. By the time they need to make a decision on Jones, they'll be fine to make the decision. |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 2, 2021 16:24:13 GMT -5
i don’t understand what language you’re looking for. Salary with a staggered signing bonus. If you restructure the money is guaranteed and be spread out. No verbiage changes the dollars The estimated cap from 21-22 is an estimated $26 million dollar increase. The Giants have almost zero space if the cap rises that high while they arenKt even paying successful players as indicated in the win column. That number is with both the QB and HB on the cheap. That’s insane Yeah, look at who have to restructure just to sign more players. All those dollars become guaranteed. This is such a mess Williams was restructured before taking a snap under his recent contract. Shepherd, who was supposed to be gone after signing Gollladay and going WR in Round 1 is forced back due to a restructure. It’s a disaster. 208.2 million ceiling for next season. Restructures will absolutely happen, which is not unique to the Giants. No way in hell James B's cap hit ends up being 22 million next year. Once 2023 comes around, a boat load of contracts go off the books, the cap raises again, and the right players get new contracts or extensions (hopefully) which gives even more flexibility. And outs refers to injury settlements or other conduct related things. Like say Golladay keeps getting hurt and plays x amount of games and it comes down to just needing to release him...maybe there is something in the contract. Honestly, it doesn't matter that's a very minor part of what I was saying, my bad if it sounded like something more important than it is. We're not paying anyone that's not good/a potential part of the solution big money (besides Solder...and his 4 million will undoubtedly move off the books) and arguably Rudolph. There also isn't a projected and glaring dead money situation aka someone who needs to be cut because they are so bad, but the dead money would be silly. Regardless of how this year turns out, Bradberry, Ryan, Williams, Jackson, and even Golladay are either good players that should be part of the solution or good players (Golladay) that have been hurt and get to be a part of the solution...as they should be. None of these guys are a total, blundering mistake like Solder was, not even close. If your point this whole time is that next year is tighter than this year was...well yeah it was just a big free agency. By the time they need to make a decision on Jones, they'll be fine to make the decision. There is almost $40M between Bradberry and Martinez against the cap next year, which is certainly going to be restructured. That will give us plenty of breathing room right there. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 16:28:36 GMT -5
208.2 million ceiling for next season. Restructures will absolutely happen, which is not unique to the Giants. No way in hell James B's cap hit ends up being 22 million next year. Once 2023 comes around, a boat load of contracts go off the books, the cap raises again, and the right players get new contracts or extensions (hopefully) which gives even more flexibility. And outs refers to injury settlements or other conduct related things. Like say Golladay keeps getting hurt and plays x amount of games and it comes down to just needing to release him...maybe there is something in the contract. Honestly, it doesn't matter that's a very minor part of what I was saying, my bad if it sounded like something more important than it is. We're not paying anyone that's not good/a potential part of the solution big money (besides Solder...and his 4 million will undoubtedly move off the books) and arguably Rudolph. There also isn't a projected and glaring dead money situation aka someone who needs to be cut because they are so bad, but the dead money would be silly. Regardless of how this year turns out, Bradberry, Ryan, Williams, Jackson, and even Golladay are either good players that should be part of the solution or good players (Golladay) that have been hurt and get to be a part of the solution...as they should be. None of these guys are a total, blundering mistake like Solder was, not even close. If your point this whole time is that next year is tighter than this year was...well yeah it was just a big free agency. By the time they need to make a decision on Jones, they'll be fine to make the decision. There is almost $40M between Bradberry and Martinez against the cap next year, which is certainly going to be restructured. That will give us plenty of breathing room right there. And every team goes through this every year. Not a uniquely NYG problem. |
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 2, 2021 16:28:36 GMT -5
Back? When did we leave? We have been bad for so long, that we rented out space for torment.
I’m checking the spreads, we’re underdogs at the bye week. That’s how bad we are, and have become. We are a punchline, the team other bad fanbases thank god they aren’t. You know you’re bad when you have to find a silver lining in a tsunami. For us to really get out of this decade of football hell. Mara, has to give up the reigns of all the decision making. No more retreads, rejects and familiar faces. Out with the “Giants way” and in with the new. Look at the top franchises, and infiltrate their front office. I don’t care if you have to steal their pens, get some football men who won’t be bullied into making decisions.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 2, 2021 16:59:34 GMT -5
There is almost $40M between Bradberry and Martinez against the cap next year, which is certainly going to be restructured. That will give us plenty of breathing room right there. And every team goes through this every year. Not a uniquely NYG problem. This front office has actually done a very good job of managing the cap over several years of significant spending. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 17:00:48 GMT -5
And every team goes through this every year. Not a uniquely NYG problem. This front office has actually done a very good job of managing the cap over several years of significant spending. lol, look Mom, my credit card bill is maxed out yet i still have enough money for ketchup |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 17:02:39 GMT -5
There is almost $40M between Bradberry and Martinez against the cap next year, which is certainly going to be restructured. That will give us plenty of breathing room right there. And every team goes through this every year. Not a uniquely NYG problem. mike and math are only in the same sentence here. He has no clue as to the cap. Anybody thinking this cap is not mess, God bless you. Please, find a financial advisor. |
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 2, 2021 17:06:48 GMT -5
This front office has actually done a very good job of managing the cap over several years of significant spending. lol, look Mom, my credit card bill is maxed out yet i still have enough money for ketchup Cat food is on the menu for the next three years. And around Christmas, your stockings will be filled with bills and IOU’s. The front office couldn’t manage a lemon stand, let alone an NFL franchise. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 17:42:23 GMT -5
This front office has actually done a very good job of managing the cap over several years of significant spending. lol, look Mom, my credit card bill is maxed out yet i still have enough money for ketchup The NFL salary cap and a credit limit are simply not comparable things. |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 2, 2021 17:58:56 GMT -5
And every team goes through this every year. Not a uniquely NYG problem. This front office has actually done a very good job of managing the cap over several years of significant spending. They have and toward what good end? We've been managing our overpaying players who haven't been able to punch their weight. Pathetic, eh? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 18:12:43 GMT -5
lol, look Mom, my credit card bill is maxed out yet i still have enough money for ketchup The NFL salary cap and a credit limit are simply not comparable things. lol, it’s an analogy for being in debt with no disposal income. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 18:15:51 GMT -5
lol, look Mom, my credit card bill is maxed out yet i still have enough money for ketchup Cat food is on the menu for the next three years. And around Christmas, your stockings will be filled with bills and IOU’s. The front office couldn’t manage a lemon stand, let alone an NFL franchise. . . . we can fire the Chef for not making the cat food taste like filet. But every team manages their cap this way. And the wins to show for, woot. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 19:18:29 GMT -5
The NFL salary cap and a credit limit are simply not comparable things. lol, it’s an analogy for being in debt with no disposal income. Yes, it's an an analogy that so grossly oversimplifies the NFL salary cap, it doesn't really work. I'll say again, if your point actually is that we won't have loads of cap room next year...cool, I can't disagree. Pretending that we're ruined for years to come with our cap situation simply isn't true and there's nothing to objectively support that. The team sucks, but if you want to pretend there isn't a single good player on it, fine, but that isn't true either. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 19:56:03 GMT -5
lol, it’s an analogy for being in debt with no disposal income. Yes, it's an an analogy that so grossly oversimplifies the NFL salary cap, it doesn't really work. I'll say again, if your point actually is that we won't have loads of cap room next year...cool, I can't disagree. Pretending that we're ruined for years to come with our cap situation simply isn't true and there's nothing to objectively support that. The team sucks, but if you want to pretend there isn't a single good player on it, fine, but that isn't true either. We have people here that can’t tell difference between a dime and a nickel. We have to try and simply the cap for them |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 3, 2021 10:14:32 GMT -5
Yes, it's an an analogy that so grossly oversimplifies the NFL salary cap, it doesn't really work. I'll say again, if your point actually is that we won't have loads of cap room next year...cool, I can't disagree. Pretending that we're ruined for years to come with our cap situation simply isn't true and there's nothing to objectively support that. The team sucks, but if you want to pretend there isn't a single good player on it, fine, but that isn't true either. We have people here that can’t tell difference between a dime and a nickel. We have to try and simply the cap for them Our issues are so far beyond cap space. I guess good cap situation would allow a capable CEO to use it as a chip in recruiting his replacement as head of football operations. Without a change there, good cap, new GM, new HC, new OC, new DC will ultimately all be doomed. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 3, 2021 12:33:03 GMT -5
We have people here that can’t tell difference between a dime and a nickel. We have to try and simply the cap for them Our issues are so far beyond cap space. I guess good cap situation would allow a capable CEO to use it as a chip in recruiting his replacement as head of football operations. Without a change there, good cap, new GM, new HC, new OC, new DC will ultimately all be doomed. Most teams that nuke their GM rarely have many good things including a good cap situation.. The only saving grace is that unlike Dallas we only have one bad cap year and then a lot of things open up in 2022.. Having a lot of high picks in the 1st 3 rounds is also a factor.. What Jones does the next 8 games also helps us out (probably will be here at least next year if only as a stop gap if he flatlines...he could get the option year as well as it's different now and it's based on performance 1st 3 years supposedly) The biggest factor unfortunately is the role of Fredo.... If he is looking for a yes man then any of these good names we bring up will be a pipe dream |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 3, 2021 12:45:52 GMT -5
This front office has actually done a very good job of managing the cap over several years of significant spending. They have and toward what good end? We've been managing our overpaying players who haven't been able to punch their weight.Pathetic, eh? Like who? Golloday has been a non-factor, but I wouldn't judge his 4-year contract based on less than half a season. Jackson, Booker have been playing well. Bradberry, Martinez (when healthy) were good signings. Rudoph was overpaid, but his contract is expendable. All considered, the Giants have a healthy cap outlook over the next 3 years. |
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 3, 2021 12:59:41 GMT -5
.....where the owner asks himself, "wtf do I do now?" And the real problem is that he never has a good answer because he doesn't know what to do next. The man is useless as CEO. Firing is just busy work to give the illusion of change. Anyone can do it. We don't need change, we need thoughtful change with a complete overhaul of how this team evaluates and coaches talent. We deserve more and better than we've had to endure with him Perfectly perfectly said. A lot of fans are locked in a fantasy world where the white knight coach is going to get hired and makes everything better. A goal without a plan is a wish. We all want an awesome coach and awesome GM. They’re just wishes, because there’s no plan to stop the Reese/Gettleman/McAdoo/Shurmer/Judge revolving door routine. Just add another name and two more years so we can just keep repeating the same pattern. Fans shouldn’t be calling for a new coach. They should be calling for the Maras and people associated with the family to step back from football operations. Won’t be popular, but if you’d be happy with a new coach and GM, you’re part of the problem. Firings for this franchise are just PR initiatives. i think it would be too hard for a multi millionaire owner to step back and admit he's the problem or at least a big part of it, I doubt Mara's ego could live with it... |
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 3, 2021 13:04:39 GMT -5
managing the cap is someone elses problem for me all want is good quality football and I don't care how I get it..
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