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Post by cdngfan on Nov 23, 2021 9:40:38 GMT -5
We’re staring at our 5th HC in 6 years and our 3rd GM in 5.
You’ve got ownership that threw their GM and coach under the bus over the Eli thing, we have rumours that the ownership meddles in decisions that they then hold others accountable for.
McAdoo is a consultant, Reese is out of football, Shurmer is a coordinator.
This place kills careers and it’s run be a family that is a case study in bad leadership.
If you’re a sought after new coach with a bright future, or a successful experienced coach with market value looking for a new gig, or an experienced GM, trusted by other NFL owners, thats built successful franchises…….
Why on God’s green earth would you come here?
“B” leaders hire “C” talent. That’s a saying for a reason.
If Garrett gets fired in season it’s because of fan pressure. Nothing more.
Until that fan pressure focuses on ownership to step back from running this franchise, NOTHING about this franchise will improve.
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 23, 2021 9:49:28 GMT -5
Money and opportunity !
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 23, 2021 9:55:25 GMT -5
lol check out my thread I just made on this front.....
We'll be in a better spot for 2023 to do that I believe and for it to make the most sense on HC/GM/QB at the same time
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 9:59:22 GMT -5
lol check out my thread I just made on this front..... We'll be in a better spot for 2023 to do that I believe and for it to make the most sense on HC/GM/QB at the same time Nothing changes until Fredo is relieved of his duties as VP player personnel |
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 23, 2021 10:00:48 GMT -5
We’re staring at our 5th HC in 6 years and our 3rd GM in 5. You’ve got ownership that threw their GM and coach under the bus over the Eli thing, we have rumours that the ownership meddles in decisions that they then hold others accountable for. McAdoo is a consultant, Reese is out of football, Shurmer is a coordinator. This place kills careers and it’s run be a family that is a case study in bad leadership. If you’re a sought after new coach with a bright future, or a successful experienced coach with market value looking for a new gig, or an experienced GM, trusted by other NFL owners, thats built successful franchises……. Why on God’s green earth would you come here? “B” leaders hire “C” talent. That’s a saying for a reason. If Garrett gets fired in season it’s because of fan pressure. Nothing more. Until that fan pressure focuses on ownership to step back from running this franchise, NOTHING about this franchise will improve. Good post |
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Post by mendy on Nov 23, 2021 10:01:17 GMT -5
It's the NY Giants. It's New York............and it's the New York Giants. I hope management never relents to "Fan pressure" . This isn't Madden.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 10:01:39 GMT -5
Instead of "Let's Go Brandon "
Change Brandon to Mara
All game
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 23, 2021 10:21:49 GMT -5
Instead of "Let's Go Brandon " Change Brandon to Mara All game That’s a good start. If the Mara’s feel like changing the GM and HC gives the fan base hope, then they just keep screwing this up like they have been for years. They have to feel the pressure to step back. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 23, 2021 10:26:03 GMT -5
Instead of "Let's Go Brandon " Change Brandon to Mara All game That’s a good start. If the Mara’s feel like changing the GM and HC gives the fan base hope, then they just keep screwing this up like they have been for years. They have to feel the pressure to step back. I don't think they'll step back. This has become like Jeff Wilpon. What else are the Maras' going to do? Daddy gave them a team and there is nothing else for them to get involved with. |
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 23, 2021 10:32:43 GMT -5
That’s a good start. If the Mara’s feel like changing the GM and HC gives the fan base hope, then they just keep screwing this up like they have been for years. They have to feel the pressure to step back. I don't think they'll step back. This has become like Jeff Wilpon. What else are the Maras' going to do? Daddy gave them a team and there is nothing else for them to get involved with. They’ll step back if the fans are screaming for it. The problem is fans won’t scream for it. They’re like kids, shake a tiny new toy in their face and they’ll be happy tor another 12 months. Rinse. Repeat. We’re already in that cycle and it feels like only 15% of fans notice. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 23, 2021 11:42:37 GMT -5
Instead of "Let's Go Brandon " Change Brandon to Mara All game Just yell both. |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 23, 2021 11:45:24 GMT -5
I don't know how a top flight GM would come here given the relationship with ownership and lack of key authorities, like picking your own HC.
We are only going to attract re-treads and guys who would take any GM slot to build their resumes.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 12:20:39 GMT -5
I don't know how a top flight GM would come here given the relationship with ownership and lack of key authorities, like picking your own HC. We are only going to attract re-treads and guys who would take any GM slot to build their resumes. And how can any GM build a resume that shows anything other than failure when you have to answer to someone above you that isn't qualified to hold a position like this ? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 12:23:00 GMT -5
I don't know how a top flight GM would come here given the relationship with ownership and lack of key authorities, like picking your own HC. We are only going to attract re-treads and guys who would take any GM slot to build their resumes. And how can any GM build a resume that shows anything other than failure when you have to answer to someone above you that isn't qualified to hold a position like this ? Don't you just love the Giants organization now!! Thank god for Sunday bowling tournaments!! |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 12:26:34 GMT -5
And how can any GM build a resume that shows anything other than failure when you have to answer to someone above you that isn't qualified to hold a position like this ? Don't you just love the Giants organization now!! Thank god for Sunday bowling tournaments!! I'm beginning to think going back to my January through sept 1st of doing heavy chest day on Sundays early (I'm trapped in Tacoma till January for work other than a destination event in Dubai Dec 12-21st so 10 ak games the rest of the year)should be a plan Eff me...I'm like a drug addict with this team...no matter how hard to quit caring 8 need my fix |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 12:31:48 GMT -5
Don't you just love the Giants organization now!! Thank god for Sunday bowling tournaments!! I'm beginning to think going back to my January through sept 1st of doing heavy chest day on Sundays early (I'm trapped in Tacoma till January for work other than a destination event in Dubai Dec 12-21st so 10 ak games the rest of the year)should be a plan Eff me...I'm like a drug addict with this team...no matter how hard to quit caring 8 need my fix Good luck with your new schedule I'm out looking for any events that are within 3 hours drive for me. I'll still record the games but I'm not promising I'll watch them. At least until the next game!! LOL |
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Post by Nite on Nov 23, 2021 12:38:37 GMT -5
I don't think they'll step back. This has become like Jeff Wilpon. What else are the Maras' going to do? Daddy gave them a team and there is nothing else for them to get involved with. They’ll step back if the fans are screaming for it. The problem is fans won’t scream for it. They’re like kids, shake a tiny new toy in their face and they’ll be happy tor another 12 months. Rinse. Repeat. We’re already in that cycle and it feels like only 15% of fans notice. Quite true.. Fans desperately want to believe in the illusion. The excuses are just mind twisting.. Well just a couple things here and couple things there and all will be well. Just give it some time. The root of the problem rest squarely on John Mara. He can make the changes to hire capable football people and let them make personnel decisions. He just doesn't want to..And if the putzes and schmucks keep filling up the stadium on this shit product... What does that signal to the ownership? |
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 23, 2021 12:49:30 GMT -5
They’ll step back if the fans are screaming for it. The problem is fans won’t scream for it. They’re like kids, shake a tiny new toy in their face and they’ll be happy tor another 12 months. Rinse. Repeat. We’re already in that cycle and it feels like only 15% of fans notice. Quite true.. Fans desperately want to believe in the illusion. The excuses are just mind twisting.. Well just a couple things here and couple things there and all will be well. Just give it some time. The root of the problem rest squarely on John Mara. He can make the changes to hire capable football people and let them make personnel decisions. He just doesn't want to..And if the putzes and schmucks keep filling up the stadium on this shit product... What does that signal to the ownership? I can’t say it better than that. The fascination with coaching is you’re just an HC away from being better. Our owners CLEARLY can’t pick people to run this place, stay out of the way, or both. That’s a depressing problem. It feels better to just keep switching leaders convincing yourself that you’ll eventually find the right one. Cold truth? That could take decades. Ask Miami how that’s going. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 23, 2021 13:11:14 GMT -5
lol check out my thread I just made on this front..... We'll be in a better spot for 2023 to do that I believe and for it to make the most sense on HC/GM/QB at the same time Nothing changes until Fredo is relieved of his duties as VP player personnel well then one way or another his azzz needs to go.... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 23, 2021 15:08:26 GMT -5
We’re staring at our 5th HC in 6 years and our 3rd GM in 5. You’ve got ownership that threw their GM and coach under the bus over the Eli thing, we have rumours that the ownership meddles in decisions that they then hold others accountable for. McAdoo is a consultant, Reese is out of football, Shurmer is a coordinator. This place kills careers and it’s run be a family that is a case study in bad leadership. If you’re a sought after new coach with a bright future, or a successful experienced coach with market value looking for a new gig, or an experienced GM, trusted by other NFL owners, thats built successful franchises……. Why on God’s green earth would you come here? “B” leaders hire “C” talent. That’s a saying for a reason. If Garrett gets fired in season it’s because of fan pressure. Nothing more. Until that fan pressure focuses on ownership to step back from running this franchise, NOTHING about this franchise will improve. I think it is more the players that suffer the most, these guys made their beds and actually got more time then they deserved, as I have said 10000 times this house cleaning should have happened as early as 2014 and no later then 2015 all it did waiting is set them back 6 or 7 years more. all that lost their jobs earned it, Mara doesn't draft for them and the GM has last call. They will find some very qualified candidates that will want to come here and build on what is already here and use that draft capital, they are not in long term cap hell actually their cap situation after 2022 looks really good. I don't know who but I would be talking to Tennessee's Ossenfort/ and be looking at Baltimore and the chiefs front office for other candidates |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 23, 2021 15:13:10 GMT -5
A go getter wants this challenge there is talent here, most important for team building there is a lot of draft capital, plus as I said after 2022 the cap seems pretty good and depending on what they do with Jones and Barkely the cap could be really good come 2023. Someone turns this around they rise to the top of the GM world . |
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Post by vinnie on Nov 23, 2021 15:24:01 GMT -5
A go getter wants this challenge there is talent here, most important for team building there is a lot of draft capital, plus as I said after 2022 the cap seems pretty good and depending on what they do with Jones and Barkely the cap could be really good come 2023. Someone turns this around they rise to the top of the GM world . Been agreeing with you lately buddy but I’m not so sure about the “talent” that’s here. Rhetorical question, have you watched other NFL teams? Almost our entire O line isn’t just bad but horrible, there is no talent there even considering the injuries. Maybe Thomas but I’m starting to have second thoughts about him, most likely he’ll be good IF he can even stay on the field. Barkley is a waste. If he gaps 3 feet wide he would be great but his vision sucks, he “dances” too much and he can’t block worth a shit. Jones? I’m done with him after last night. Shep is good, Engram is a wild card and won’t be on the team next year, Galloday and Toney haven’t really done shit except take up spots on the injury list. We’re horrible against the run, our LB’ers blow and we have no true edge rushers. Our secondary is about the only are we’re “ok” in. I think your vision of talent is just you being your optimistic self, this team sucks. We don’t have a single player that other teams fear. This team is a talentless joke. |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 23, 2021 16:15:02 GMT -5
We’re staring at our 5th HC in 6 years and our 3rd GM in 5. You’ve got ownership that threw their GM and coach under the bus over the Eli thing, we have rumours that the ownership meddles in decisions that they then hold others accountable for. McAdoo is a consultant, Reese is out of football, Shurmer is a coordinator. This place kills careers and it’s run be a family that is a case study in bad leadership. If you’re a sought after new coach with a bright future, or a successful experienced coach with market value looking for a new gig, or an experienced GM, trusted by other NFL owners, thats built successful franchises……. Why on God’s green earth would you come here? “B” leaders hire “C” talent. That’s a saying for a reason. If Garrett gets fired in season it’s because of fan pressure. Nothing more. Until that fan pressure focuses on ownership to step back from running this franchise, NOTHING about this franchise will improve. It is all right there in a nut shell. My favorite sentence being: Why on God’s green earth would you come here? |
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Post by coughlinscorner on Nov 23, 2021 16:20:45 GMT -5
We’re staring at our 5th HC in 6 years and our 3rd GM in 5. You’ve got ownership that threw their GM and coach under the bus over the Eli thing, we have rumours that the ownership meddles in decisions that they then hold others accountable for. McAdoo is a consultant, Reese is out of football, Shurmer is a coordinator. This place kills careers and it’s run be a family that is a case study in bad leadership. If you’re a sought after new coach with a bright future, or a successful experienced coach with market value looking for a new gig, or an experienced GM, trusted by other NFL owners, thats built successful franchises……. Why on God’s green earth would you come here? “B” leaders hire “C” talent. That’s a saying for a reason. If Garrett gets fired in season it’s because of fan pressure. Nothing more. Until that fan pressure focuses on ownership to step back from running this franchise, NOTHING about this franchise will improve. You are correct we will never get anyone with other options to come here. But that doesn't mean you can't hire someone competent and perhaps get lucky. Perfect coaching example was Spags when he was hired in 2007. Coughlin was a lame duck that year and no DC with any options would take the job. But Spags who was on no ones list of hot DC candidates at the time took the job and ran with it. We need the same type of good fortune for our next GM. |
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 23, 2021 16:29:04 GMT -5
I don't know how a top flight GM would come here given the relationship with ownership and lack of key authorities, like picking your own HC. We are only going to attract re-treads and guys who would take any GM slot to build their resumes. that is really the only question, what GM who is any good will come here with his hands tied behind his back because he can't pick his own QB or even draft one because of the Jones pick, thats going to be a tough one ..but with us having 2 first round picks in this coming draft it could happen... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 23, 2021 17:03:37 GMT -5
A go getter wants this challenge there is talent here, most important for team building there is a lot of draft capital, plus as I said after 2022 the cap seems pretty good and depending on what they do with Jones and Barkely the cap could be really good come 2023. Someone turns this around they rise to the top of the GM world . Been agreeing with you lately buddy but I’m not so sure about the “talent” that’s here. Rhetorical question, have you watched other NFL teams? Almost our entire O line isn’t just bad but horrible, there is no talent there even considering the injuries. Maybe Thomas but I’m starting to have second thoughts about him, most likely he’ll be good IF he can even stay on the field. Barkley is a waste. If he gaps 3 feet wide he would be great but his vision sucks, he “dances” too much and he can’t block worth a shit. Jones? I’m done with him after last night. Shep is good, Engram is a wild card and won’t be on the team next year, Galloday and Toney haven’t really done shit except take up spots on the injury list. We’re horrible against the run, our LB’ers blow and we have no true edge rushers. Our secondary is about the only are we’re “ok” in. I think your vision of talent is just you being your optimistic self, this team sucks. We don’t have a single player that other teams fear. This team is a talentless joke. I go by what I read other coaches and GMs that coach against these guys say and feel about them, where you are correct the talent on the OL and Edge is not adequate and at ILB it hurts, if you can't protect the passer or rush the passer you are done from the start, that is the problem Barley just like Garret Golladay are all scape goats easy whipping boys coaches and GM that have been interviewed don't think of them like fans do, Jones not sure about and I'm not worried about it right now, get someone in here that will get the OL and edge straight then see where we stand. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 23, 2021 17:05:43 GMT -5
A go getter wants this challenge there is talent here, most important for team building there is a lot of draft capital, plus as I said after 2022 the cap seems pretty good and depending on what they do with Jones and Barkely the cap could be really good come 2023. Someone turns this around they rise to the top of the GM world . Been agreeing with you lately buddy but I’m not so sure about the “talent” that’s here. Rhetorical question, have you watched other NFL teams? Almost our entire O line isn’t just bad but horrible, there is no talent there even considering the injuries. Maybe Thomas but I’m starting to have second thoughts about him, most likely he’ll be good IF he can even stay on the field. Barkley is a waste. If he gaps 3 feet wide he would be great but his vision sucks, he “dances” too much and he can’t block worth a shit. Jones? I’m done with him after last night. Shep is good, Engram is a wild card and won’t be on the team next year, Galloday and Toney haven’t really done shit except take up spots on the injury list. We’re horrible against the run, our LB’ers blow and we have no true edge rushers. Our secondary is about the only are we’re “ok” in. I think your vision of talent is just you being your optimistic self, this team sucks. We don’t have a single player that other teams fear. This team is a talentless joke. We don't have to agree on everything whipper snapper because if you and I new everything we wouldn't be message board GMs we would be making the big bucks lol. |
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 23, 2021 17:11:12 GMT -5
I don't know how a top flight GM would come here given the relationship with ownership and lack of key authorities, like picking your own HC. We are only going to attract re-treads and guys who would take any GM slot to build their resumes. the Daniel Jones love affair will keep any good quality GM from coming here... |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 17:29:04 GMT -5
I don't know how a top flight GM would come here given the relationship with ownership and lack of key authorities, like picking your own HC. We are only going to attract re-treads and guys who would take any GM slot to build their resumes. the Daniel Jones love affair will keep any good quality GM from coming here... Or a quality GM might not like any particular qb in this class to replace him this year and keep Jones as a cheap bridge guy while he uses all these assets we have this year to actually fix the front 7 and o line .. |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 23, 2021 17:32:01 GMT -5
There are no good coaches, only young candidates looking to prove themselves. That’s why they’d come here. And, there is some talent to build with.
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