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Post by FBomb on Nov 24, 2021 10:16:06 GMT -5
Isn't that what was done with Bill Belicheck when we hired JJ? Well...BB wasn't hired as a consultant and he only recommended a HC. A real Team consultant would help pick the right GM and help him pick his staff.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 24, 2021 10:16:54 GMT -5
I am also for bringing in Parcells. But like someone else said, he is 80 years old. as a consultant wouldn't hurt, Parcells might be up there in age but his mind seems to be fine and the man knows football and what it takes to be successful..
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 24, 2021 11:42:07 GMT -5
Not trying to be misleading I’m not going to try and mislead either but, respectfully why doesn’t Vinnie become the GM. How hard is it? ok gang - let’s see if we can grade this without a bell curve 1. if we want to pressure the opposing QB what do you think we need? A. Halfback B. Nose tackle. C. Pass Rushing DE or OLB 1A and if we wanted to find this position to rush the QB what Round increases the likelihood of finding this player? A. Round 7. B. Round 6. C Round 2. D Round 1 E. Blame somebody b/c i have no idea 2. if we want to rush the football and protect the QB we need? A. A wide receiver so we can play modern day football. B. A CB. C. A free agent journeyman OL. D. Draft a OL in Round 1, 2 and 3, 4 3 it’s draft day and we’re on the clock. The phone rings so we A. Don’t answer the phone B. Remove all phones from the room. C. Call Chris Mara on another phone b/c he’s at the horse race track. D. Answer the phone 4. As of today we have two high draft picks. We should A. Go OL and DL. B, Go safety b/c he’s the BAP. C. Go CB and S b/c they’re the best players. D. I’m not paid to think but can whine all day and and night. E. Partial A and we should consult on B Please add any questions to help Vinnie in this common sense job opportunity . . . or he can help you. (player personnel, not fire and whine about everybody) Thank you
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 24, 2021 11:50:58 GMT -5
I’m not going to try and mislead either but, respectfully why doesn’t Vinnie become the GM. How hard is it? ok gang - let’s see if we can grade this without a bell curve 1. if we want to pressure the opposing QB what do you think we need? A. Halfback B. Nose tackle. C. Pass Rushing DE or OLB 1A and if we wanted to find this position to rush the QB what Round increases the likelihood of finding this player? A. Round 7. B. Round 6. C Round 2. D Round 1 E. Blame somebody b/c i have no idea 2. if we want to rush the football and protect the QB we need? A. A wide receiver so we can play modern day football. B. A CB. C. A free agent journeyman OL. D. Draft a OL in Round 1, 2 and 3, 4 3 it’s draft day and we’re on the clock. The phone rings so we A. Don’t answer the phone B. Remove all phones from the room. C. Call Chris Mara on another phone b/c he’s at the horse race track. D. Answer the phone 4. As of today we have two high draft picks. We should A. Go OL and DL. B, Go safety b/c he’s the BAP. C. Go CB and S b/c they’re the best players. D. I’m not paid to think but can whine all day and and night. E. Partial A and we should consult on B Please add any questions to help Vinnie in this common sense job opportunity (player personnel, not fire and whine about everybody) Thank you 1. A: Halfback 1A. D: Round 1. Preferably top 2 pick. 2. Since HB was selected #2 overall, we need a shiny WR to help run the ball and protect the QB. So answer: A 3. I'd implement a "all phones on mute" rule. It's draft day, only Susie from the warranty department is calling. 4. Is there a RB and QB choice? Proof, Dave Gettleman does post here.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 24, 2021 17:01:18 GMT -5
we could bring Parcells back as a consultant, but only if people will listen to what he has to say, I like Bill and think he has the knowledge and ability to help this team, I'm sure he can see whats really wrong with the team right now...
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Post by jerky on Nov 24, 2021 17:53:11 GMT -5
He sounded old in the broadcast. I think it's because he's old. His plan of pushing the middle of the pocket and jamming receivers was so revolutionary, I think he shouldn't have even said it on TV, now everyone will know his secret.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 24, 2021 17:55:49 GMT -5
I think he might not have the energy necessary. I think Parcells would have an eye for talent even in the modern age. Parcells would be a better scout or consultant.
I really don't think age is something anyone should focus on much. But 80 is pushing it. Any age over 70. There's no way Parcells or the giants would ever do these. Nor would I.
Keep in mind that Marc Ross wasn't an old guy. He was not old school at all. You gotta have balance. New school=trends that will fade. Physicality absolutely still has a place in this sport (in the trenches especially).
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Post by Jomo on Nov 24, 2021 18:06:05 GMT -5
Isn't that what was done with Bill Belicheck when we hired JJ? Well...BB wasn't hired as a consultant and he only recommended a HC. A real Team consultant would help pick the right GM and help him pick his staff. That was really odd. "Hey Bill B, we're your competitor and deprived you of 2 SB trophies. Can you help us find our next HC so that we can beat you again?" Only Mara would think that is appropriate or smart. And Bellichick would be happy to steer us wrong.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 18:25:17 GMT -5
I think he might not have the energy necessary. I think Parcells would have an eye for talent even in the modern age. Parcells would be a better scout or consultant. I really don't think age is something anyone should focus on much. But 80 is pushing it. Any age over 70. There's no way Parcells or the giants would ever do these. Nor would I. Keep in mind that Marc Ross wasn't an old guy. He was not old school at all. You gotta have balance. New school=trends that will fade. Physicality absolutely still has a place in this sport (in the trenches especially). So even witb Ross and Reese why were the only linebackers we ever drafted still old school Giants Way types that had to meet specific hight and weight qualifications?
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 24, 2021 18:39:51 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, the trouble with this team is being stuck in the past. Parcells isn’t qualified for the role anymore.
The Giants use of analytics is suspect, their scouting methods are implied to be out of date, and there’s rumoured meddling from ownership in all these decisions.
A modern GM, hopefully willing to revamp how things are done here as much as picking better talent, is so desperately needed it’s not funny.
I’d tolerate another abysmal 4 years if I knew we moved the FO and talent evaluation into the modern era.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 24, 2021 18:43:11 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, the trouble with this team is being stuck in the past. Parcells isn’t qualified for the role anymore. The Giants use of analytics is suspect, their scouting methods are implied to be out of date, and there’s rumoured meddling from ownership in all these decisions. A modern GM, hopefully willing to revamp how things are done here as much as picking better talent, is so desperately needed it’s not funny. I’d tolerate another abysmal 4 years if I knew we moved the FO and talent evaluation into the modern era. It doesn’t get anymore modern then four computer folks.. If not for them, the Giants would still be using smoke signals for communication.
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Post by mendy on Nov 24, 2021 18:52:02 GMT -5
This was my idea when we all wanted Reese fired. Now he's 80. Too old to be a GM. But I wouldn't be opposed to using him as a consultant for finding a new GM. Yet we would all pretty much take BB if he took the job.
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Post by mendy on Nov 24, 2021 18:54:52 GMT -5
Well...BB wasn't hired as a consultant and he only recommended a HC. A real Team consultant would help pick the right GM and help him pick his staff. That was really odd. "Hey Bill B, we're your competitor and deprived you of 2 SB trophies. Can you help us find our next HC so that we can beat you again?" Only Mara would think that is appropriate or smart. And Bellichick would be happy to steer us wrong. Bill Belicheck loves the Giants of that there is no question!
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 24, 2021 20:10:43 GMT -5
I think he might not have the energy necessary. I think Parcells would have an eye for talent even in the modern age. Parcells would be a better scout or consultant. I really don't think age is something anyone should focus on much. But 80 is pushing it. Any age over 70. There's no way Parcells or the giants would ever do these. Nor would I. Keep in mind that Marc Ross wasn't an old guy. He was not old school at all. You gotta have balance. New school=trends that will fade. Physicality absolutely still has a place in this sport (in the trenches especially). So even witb Ross and Reese why were the only linebackers we ever drafted still old school Giants Way types that had to meet specific hight and weight qualifications? Not necessarily always true. Greg Jones, Williams #57. Those guys were smaller weren't they? They just weren't physical enough despite being smaller linebackers. Size shouldn't matter anyway, there are talented big guys and talented small guys and having both is ideal. I think some of that had to do with timing too. They've clearly changed that mentality with Judge and Gettleman, they draft smaller sized LBs. But back then they were still playing 4-3 on D, the league as a whole was in a transition period with newer college concepts coming through and shaping where the league is now. Ross preferred Engram and Travis Beckum type players and building from the outside. Meaning they always focused on the CBs, safeties and WRs while neglecting the foundation, the trenches and the front 7. You don't need an Engram TE today. But you do need some quick, shifty receivers who can run plenty of routes. I can remember not liking the Amukamara pick in 2011. Thought he seemed soft and not fast enough to make up for it. He did have some decent games though against really good receivers.. But back then I probably would've went OL or DL because all of those guys were aging and struggled at times in 09 and 10. But anyway, I could be wrong, I mean maybe that was Mara thinking he knew best. But Marc Ross did clearly express the mentality that you should focus on the outside positions first. I disagree. Ultimately you need to strike balance regardless. You need a pass rush and you need a serviceable offensive line that can avg you 4.5 YPC and afford your QB enough time when it matters most. And you need guys on the outside that can threaten teams at every level of the field
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 20:22:34 GMT -5
That is the problem with this Organization now, all this Old School GARBAGE and trying to recreate yesteryears Hell No! I don't want no OLD GUYS running this organization anymore. Get some young Creative Minds in that Front Office who can actually relate with todays players. This "Disciplinarian" keeping guys in line Trash don't work anymore, you have to let the players be themselves and when you're relatable the Respect and the Discipline comes Natural from your players instead of trying to force it upon them. These Generation Z guys are Wired a Bit Different so the approach and how they're handled has to be different as well especially if you want to get the best out of them When Parcells was on the Manning cast he said his methods wouldn't work in todays NFL. Excellent post and the old school coach new his old school way would never fly today. They need to get young from the top down.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 25, 2021 0:17:18 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, the trouble with this team is being stuck in the past. Parcells isn’t qualified for the role anymore. The Giants use of analytics is suspect, their scouting methods are implied to be out of date, and there’s rumoured meddling from ownership in all these decisions. A modern GM, hopefully willing to revamp how things are done here as much as picking better talent, is so desperately needed it’s not funny. I’d tolerate another abysmal 4 years if I knew we moved the FO and talent evaluation into the modern era. It doesn’t get anymore modern then four computer folks.. If not for them, the Giants would still be using smoke signals for communication. Thank God that computer folks line bothered someone else.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 25, 2021 9:06:32 GMT -5
Not trying to be misleading with the title but I wonder if there is ever a chance he would be GM of the Giants? TBH, I hadn’t heard much from him over the last several years and assumed he was out of touch and frankly (just too old) to ever step back in the football world in any capacity. But after watching Eli and Peyton last night (Parcells was the guest in the 1st quarter) he actually sounded great and seemed like he still knew his shit. Do any of you think there’s any chance in hell he would want to be a GM for the Giants? Would Mara hire him? Is he qualified? Just throwing out an unlikely but possible option. are you kidding me....?? you see him in interviews? The last thing this guy wants to do is work. What Bill said during the game wasnt anything ground breaking and of course he knows his shit. Either way he was done working hard in the NFL the day Romo fumbled the payoff game away. You could see it in his eyes.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 25, 2021 10:44:02 GMT -5
It doesn’t get anymore modern then four computer folks.. If not for them, the Giants would still be using smoke signals for communication. Thank God that computer folks line bothered someone else. He might as well said “Yabba Dabba Doo.”
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Post by FBomb on Nov 25, 2021 12:00:48 GMT -5
This was my idea when we all wanted Reese fired. Now he's 80. Too old to be a GM. But I wouldn't be opposed to using him as a consultant for finding a new GM. Yet we would all pretty much take BB if he took the job. Back that Brinks truck right up to his front door. beep beep
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Post by vinnie on Nov 25, 2021 14:23:27 GMT -5
Not trying to be misleading with the title but I wonder if there is ever a chance he would be GM of the Giants? TBH, I hadn’t heard much from him over the last several years and assumed he was out of touch and frankly (just too old) to ever step back in the football world in any capacity. But after watching Eli and Peyton last night (Parcells was the guest in the 1st quarter) he actually sounded great and seemed like he still knew his shit. Do any of you think there’s any chance in hell he would want to be a GM for the Giants? Would Mara hire him? Is he qualified? Just throwing out an unlikely but possible option. are you kidding me....?? you see him in interviews? The last thing this guy wants to do is work. What Bill said during the game wasnt anything ground breaking and of course he knows his shit. Either way he was done working hard in the NFL the day Romo fumbled the payoff game away. You could see it in his eyes. Couldn’t be any worse than Gettleman, not even close. Does he really have to say anything ground breaking? All he had to do is sound competent, which he did, and that’s already a huge upgrade over the bumbling idiots we have leading this team right now. I’m not advocating it, I just said he sounded more in touch than I thought but I did say I wouldn’t be opposed to it, there’s a difference. He definitely wouldn’t be my first choice but the idea of him as a consultant of some sorts doesn’t sound bad to me. I believe I also said he would probably have no interest. I had no idea that this unlikley, hypothetical scenario of a thread would rustle so many jimmies. Christ.
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