Hear me out with an open mind.

[TEM]

I have no proof of any of this except on how much power Steve wants the Mara's to have.

Just trying to understand the data. All the failures of this team point to one thing . And it can only be one thing . Before any of you jump all over me hear out my logic with an open mind and think a little bit about my conclusion.


Chris Mara becomes senior VP of PP in 2011 and well all know the history of the team after KG was scapegoated.
Steve Tisch told John I do not want the Mara's to have too much power as it pertains to the FO . Either a Mara is going to be CEO of the organization or the GM not both. I understand Steve's reasoning on that. It kind of nuters the Tisch's ability to have any say on team opps.



Here is where my logic on this kicks in.

It makes no sence to me on how this team can be so bad for so long. I do not buy the John Mara is a moronic idiot excuse.  To me this is far deeper than what it appears . This goes back to before George Young  with the Mara wars. Tim sell his half of the team to the Tischs. The Maras immediately lost full control of the team. Wellington passes away god rest his soul. But the remaining Maras hold a deep seeded resentment. "We do not have control any more".

The next question they ask . How do we get it back?   

The first thing they do is take the hand cuffs off Jerry Reese. He is an idiot . He'll F the team up without intervention. The next stumbling block in their way Tom Coughlin. He knows how to win . Let JR do his thing , scapegoat TC.

Now you bring in the smartest moron in the room in as the HC. There was no way that idiot is going to succeed . McAdoo by his nature was an idiot . Failure was going to happen. Scapegoat him and Reese.

You bring a guy we know to save the team (doomed from the moment he was hired) Dave Gentlemen. John Mara hires Pat Shurmur a decent person but is far from what is needed as an HC. Another sure fire failure. Then have some theatrics throw a chair. Make it look convincing.  Scapegoat Pat Shurmur

We are going to get better.....blah blah blah..  Bring in the the special teams guy. Talks a good game but knows  nothing on how to  run a football team.

The only logic I can conclude from all of this . The entire past 10 years is a big ruse to convince Steve Tisch to allow John to incert Chris as GM. " The only option left to fix the team". WA-LA  the Maras again are in full control of the team.

This is my just opinion presented by the facts at hand.

[giantlegacy]

They don't even have to in name Fredo the GM
He can run the player personnel and use the GMs as a sock puppet.

Fredo also has a bunch of rich high end season ticket holder buddies that he listens to it seems.....running Odell out of town,flagrantly trying to create a team that looked like it was being built to compete in 1990 as opposed to this era,certain types of players off our boards because athletic they don't fit an old school Giants way...

My only hope is that Judge while not looking so hot right now changed some of this ...
Especially trading back and getting a type of player tbe old fogie way would never have considered pre 2020 with Toney..

[McCherry]

I do not believe they want Chris Mara to run the team. Gettleman and Judge are the decision makers here, not Chris Mara. The owners are not morons contrary to what some fans think. They know when something isn't working and hasn't worked. They know this isn't working. 

People need to stop looking for conspiracies. They've spent money, they've drafted well. They just need a coach who knows how to put together a good roster and win.

[coughlinscorner]

Nov 24, 2021 12:30:08 GMT -5 TEM said:

I have no proof of any of this except on how much power Steve wants the Mara's to have.

Just trying to understand the data. All the failures of this team point to one thing . And it can only be one thing . Before any of you jump all over me hear out my logic with an open mind and think a little bit about my conclusion.


Chris Mara becomes senior VP of PP in 2011 and well all know the history of the team after KG was scapegoated.
Steve Tisch told John I do not want the Mara's to have too much power as it pertains to the FO . Either a Mara is going to be CEO of the organization or the GM not both. I understand Steve's reasoning on that. It kind of nuters the Tisch's ability to have any say on team opps.



Here is where my logic on this kicks in.

It makes no sence to me on how this team can be so bad for so long. I do not buy the John Mara is a moronic idiot excuse.  To me this is far deeper than what it appears . This goes back to before George Young  with the Mara wars. Tim sell his half of the team to the Tischs. The Maras immediately lost full control of the team. Wellington passes away god rest his soul. But the remaining Maras hold a deep seeded resentment. "We do not have control any more".

The next question they ask . How do we get it back?   

The first thing they do is take the hand cuffs off Jerry Reese. He is an idiot . He'll F the team up without intervention. The next stumbling block in their way Tom Coughlin. He knows how to win . Let JR do his thing , scapegoat TC.

Now you bring in the smartest moron in the room in as the HC. There was no way that idiot is going to succeed . McAdoo by his nature was an idiot . Failure was going to happen. Scapegoat him and Reese.

You bring a guy we know to save the team (doomed from the moment he was hired) Dave Gentlemen. John Mara hires Pat Shurmur a decent person but is far from what is needed as an HC. Another sure fire failure. Then have some theatrics throw a chair. Make it look convincing.  Scapegoat Pat Shurmur

We are going to get better.....blah blah blah..  Bring in the the special teams guy. Talks a good game but knows  nothing on how to  run a football team.

The only logic I can conclude from all of this . The entire past 10 years is a big ruse to convince Steve Tisch to allow John to incert Chris as GM. " The only option left to fix the team". WA-LA  the Maras again are in full control of the team.

This is my just opinion presented by the facts at hand.

You have your timeline wrong.  George Young came aboard in 1979.  Robert Tisch bought his 50% of the Giants in 1991.   Wellington dies in 2005.

[myronguyton29]

Nov 24, 2021 12:42:20 GMT -5 McCherry said:

I do not believe they want Chris Mara to run the team. Gettleman and Judge are the decision makers here, not Chris Mara. The owners are not morons contrary to what some fans think. They know when something isn't working and hasn't worked. They know this isn't working. 

People need to stop looking for conspiracies. They've spent money, they've drafted well. They just need a coach who knows how to put together a good roster and win.

drafted well lol????????

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2021 12:53:04 GMT -5 myronguyton29 said:

Nov 24, 2021 12:42:20 GMT -5 McCherry said:

I do not believe they want Chris Mara to run the team. Gettleman and Judge are the decision makers here, not Chris Mara. The owners are not morons contrary to what some fans think. They know when something isn't working and hasn't worked. They know this isn't working. 

People need to stop looking for conspiracies. They've spent money, they've drafted well. They just need a coach who knows how to put together a good roster and win.

drafted well lol????????

I am in agreement with you.. Their drafts have sucked with Getty..

[imgrate]

Nov 24, 2021 12:30:08 GMT -5 TEM said:

I have no proof of any of this except on how much power Steve wants the Mara's to have.

Just trying to understand the data. All the failures of this team point to one thing . And it can only be one thing . Before any of you jump all over me hear out my logic with an open mind and think a little bit about my conclusion.


Chris Mara becomes senior VP of PP in 2011 and well all know the history of the team after KG was scapegoated.
Steve Tisch told John I do not want the Mara's to have too much power as it pertains to the FO . Either a Mara is going to be CEO of the organization or the GM not both. I understand Steve's reasoning on that. It kind of nuters the Tisch's ability to have any say on team opps.



Here is where my logic on this kicks in.

It makes no sence to me on how this team can be so bad for so long. I do not buy the John Mara is a moronic idiot excuse.  To me this is far deeper than what it appears . This goes back to before George Young  with the Mara wars. Tim sell his half of the team to the Tischs. The Maras immediately lost full control of the team. Wellington passes away god rest his soul. But the remaining Maras hold a deep seeded resentment. "We do not have control any more".

The next question they ask . How do we get it back?   

The first thing they do is take the hand cuffs off Jerry Reese. He is an idiot . He'll F the team up without intervention. The next stumbling block in their way Tom Coughlin. He knows how to win . Let JR do his thing , scapegoat TC.

Now you bring in the smartest moron in the room in as the HC. There was no way that idiot is going to succeed . McAdoo by his nature was an idiot . Failure was going to happen. Scapegoat him and Reese.

You bring a guy we know to save the team (doomed from the moment he was hired) Dave Gentlemen. John Mara hires Pat Shurmur a decent person but is far from what is needed as an HC. Another sure fire failure. Then have some theatrics throw a chair. Make it look convincing.  Scapegoat Pat Shurmur

We are going to get better.....blah blah blah..  Bring in the the special teams guy. Talks a good game but knows  nothing on how to  run a football team.

The only logic I can conclude from all of this . The entire past 10 years is a big ruse to convince Steve Tisch to allow John to incert Chris as GM. " The only option left to fix the team". WA-LA  the Maras again are in full control of the team.

This is my just opinion presented by the facts at hand.

Third paragraph...who is KG? Couldn't figure it out

[repeatchamps]

Nov 24, 2021 12:56:58 GMT -5 imgrate said:

Nov 24, 2021 12:30:08 GMT -5 TEM said:

I have no proof of any of this except on how much power Steve wants the Mara's to have.

Just trying to understand the data. All the failures of this team point to one thing . And it can only be one thing . Before any of you jump all over me hear out my logic with an open mind and think a little bit about my conclusion.


Chris Mara becomes senior VP of PP in 2011 and well all know the history of the team after KG was scapegoated.
Steve Tisch told John I do not want the Mara's to have too much power as it pertains to the FO . Either a Mara is going to be CEO of the organization or the GM not both. I understand Steve's reasoning on that. It kind of nuters the Tisch's ability to have any say on team opps.



Here is where my logic on this kicks in.

It makes no sence to me on how this team can be so bad for so long. I do not buy the John Mara is a moronic idiot excuse.  To me this is far deeper than what it appears . This goes back to before George Young  with the Mara wars. Tim sell his half of the team to the Tischs. The Maras immediately lost full control of the team. Wellington passes away god rest his soul. But the remaining Maras hold a deep seeded resentment. "We do not have control any more".

The next question they ask . How do we get it back?   

The first thing they do is take the hand cuffs off Jerry Reese. He is an idiot . He'll F the team up without intervention. The next stumbling block in their way Tom Coughlin. He knows how to win . Let JR do his thing , scapegoat TC.

Now you bring in the smartest moron in the room in as the HC. There was no way that idiot is going to succeed . McAdoo by his nature was an idiot . Failure was going to happen. Scapegoat him and Reese.

You bring a guy we know to save the team (doomed from the moment he was hired) Dave Gentlemen. John Mara hires Pat Shurmur a decent person but is far from what is needed as an HC. Another sure fire failure. Then have some theatrics throw a chair. Make it look convincing.  Scapegoat Pat Shurmur

We are going to get better.....blah blah blah..  Bring in the the special teams guy. Talks a good game but knows  nothing on how to  run a football team.

The only logic I can conclude from all of this . The entire past 10 years is a big ruse to convince Steve Tisch to allow John to incert Chris as GM. " The only option left to fix the team". WA-LA  the Maras again are in full control of the team.

This is my just opinion presented by the facts at hand.

Third paragraph...who is KG? Couldn't figure it out

Kevin Gilbride

[Rangers13]

Nov 24, 2021 12:53:04 GMT -5 myronguyton29 said:

Nov 24, 2021 12:42:20 GMT -5 McCherry said:

I do not believe they want Chris Mara to run the team. Gettleman and Judge are the decision makers here, not Chris Mara. The owners are not morons contrary to what some fans think. They know when something isn't working and hasn't worked. They know this isn't working. 

People need to stop looking for conspiracies. They've spent money, they've drafted well. They just need a coach who knows how to put together a good roster and win.

drafted well lol????????

nobody is surprised by the Skip Bayless take.  

[myronguyton29]

Nov 24, 2021 13:29:37 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Nov 24, 2021 12:53:04 GMT -5 myronguyton29 said:

drafted well lol????????

nobody is surprised by the Skip Bayless take.  

lol are you calling him Skip?

[Rangers13]

Nov 24, 2021 13:33:05 GMT -5 myronguyton29 said:

Nov 24, 2021 13:29:37 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

nobody is surprised by the Skip Bayless take.  

lol are you calling him Skip?

Never - skip is accurate

[jaymas]

Chris Mara conspiracy theories are my favorite. A guy that's purposefully stayed in the background to avoid the exact, silly conversation that's happening right now.

He also get's talked about like he doesn't have the requistie experience for the job, which is laughable. He was a scout for years, worked in player personell for about 15 years, ran an arena league football team, started an indepent consultancy that scouted free agents (that at the time, half the NFL utilized for their scouting), and then came back to the Giants. He was considered for the atlanta falcons GM opening in 2008 (so others around the league held him in high regard) and withdrew from consideration. He also was not hired to be the Giants GM (which you'd think they'd do if they didn't care about the nepotism).

What's more likely? That Chris Mara has been running a shadow organization that is singlehandedly responsible for the Giant's roster building woes of the last 8 or 9 years, or Jerry Reese and staff started doing a bad job, DG sucks, and we hired at least two crap head coaches (going on a 3rd, but I'm holding out hope for Judge).

Cmon people. There is no conspiracy here.

[cdngfan]

My thoughts (which will get you an overpriced coffee if you also have 3 bucks):

I don’t think anyone in this melodrama is an idiot or moron. Just people that have opinions that turn out wrong. Reese wanted to draft athletic freaks who were undervalued by other GMs because they were development projects. That’s not stupid, it just didn’t turn out to be correct in amassing enough talent. Same thing for Gettleman. He drafts like he knows something no one else does (DJ at 6, Thomas). He’s not right nearly enough.

I’m incredibly critical of ownership. Mara is not a fool. He’s lived this stuff most of his life, his family is immersed in it. He’s just not a good leader and he gets in the way in an attempt to do the right thing.

Watch that “explained” thing on Netflix. One of the shows was on brainwashing. And a former neo-nazi used a phrase that I LOVE: “embrace complexity, reject simplicity” That’s brilliant.

Difficult problems are difficult because they’re incredibly complex. Fixing one thing is never enough. I find problem solving even harder in the NFL because your solutions are only good enough if they’re better than your opponents solutions for the same problem.

I skewer the Mara’s because the reason Garrett was fired was fan/commentator outrage. That’s it. If that same outrage can turn to the Maras, they may just pull back to bring the temp down like they did with the Eli thing, like they do every time they fire coaches after 32 games.

One more Netflix reco and I’ll end this long rant. Comedians in Cars getting coffee. Seinfeld taking about how hard it is to make a funny tv show. He says it’s incredibly hard to be consistently funny, even for comedians, which is why when TV execs offer their opinions on episodes he wants to say “Are you funny? Because if you’re not get out of the room. All you’re doing is making this impossible, and it’s nearly impossible already.”

Apply that principal to the Maras snd football and I think you’ll have the reason why we’re struggling so badly for so long.

[myronguyton29]

Nov 24, 2021 14:03:59 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Nov 24, 2021 13:33:05 GMT -5 myronguyton29 said:

lol are you calling him Skip?

Never - skip is accurate

lmao

[McCherry]

Nov 24, 2021 14:12:40 GMT -5 jaymas said:

Chris Mara conspiracy theories are my favorite. A guy that's purposefully stayed in the background to avoid the exact, silly conversation that's happening right now.

He also get's talked about like he doesn't have the requistie experience for the job, which is laughable. He was a scout for years, worked in player personell for about 15 years, ran an arena league football team, started an indepent consultancy that scouted free agents (that at the time, half the NFL utilized for their scouting), and then came back to the Giants. He was considered for the atlanta falcons GM opening in 2008 (so others around the league held him in high regard) and withdrew from consideration. He also was not hired to be the Giants GM (which you'd think they'd do if they didn't care about the nepotism).

What's more likely? That Chris Mara has been running a shadow organization that is singlehandedly responsible for the Giant's roster building woes of the last 8 or 9 years, or Jerry Reese and staff started doing a bad job, DG sucks, and we hired at least two crap head coaches (going on a 3rd, but I'm holding out hope for Judge).

Cmon people. There is no conspiracy here.

Chris Mara is below Gettleman/Abrams. He presents them with information, they make the decisions. He'd never be mentioned by the fans if it weren't for his name. The coaches have more say in personnel decisions.

That being said, if they are making broad changes within the FO, all three VP's should all go.

[giantlegacy]

It's not a coincidence that the bottom fell out right after Fredo was inserted as VP of player personnel...
He definitely had a role in a lot of bad decisions to be part of this

[giantsalmon]

My experience with the super wealthy(and I have quite a bit as a Charter boat operator who enters all big tournaments on our Great Lake) is all they have left is competition--and its damn frustrating to not be able to buy wins. They are used to buying everything right down to sex, adulation, and even a families love. Whether it's their own meddling holding back their own organization, or the inability to "outbid" for talent(salary cap) it is beyond frustrating for them to lose--and trust me, they see it as THEM losing, whether it's a horse they own, a sports team they own, or a fishing boat they charter or sponsor, its life and death to them.
They may be inept and let their egos get in the way but in no way do I think they are willing to lose for a decade to try to regain control/power.
They simply think they are smarter than they are. Lastly, why are we giving a hollywood guy a free pass? Perhaps he is preventing this weird consortium from getting on the same page.

[Jomo]

Nov 24, 2021 15:08:31 GMT -5 giantsalmon said:

My experience with the super wealthy(and I have quite a bit as a Charter boat operator who enters all big tournaments on our Great Lake) is all they have left is competition--and its damn frustrating to not be able to buy wins. They are used to buying everything right down to sex, adulation, and even a families love. Whether it's their own meddling holding back their own organization, or the inability to "outbid" for talent(salary cap) it is beyond frustrating for them to lose--and trust me, they see it as THEM losing, whether it's a horse they own, a sports team they own, or a fishing boat they charter or sponsor, its life and death to them.
They may be inept and let their egos get in the way but in no way do I think they are willing to lose for a decade to try to regain control/power.
They simply think they are smarter than they are. Lastly, why are we giving a hollywood guy a free pass? Perhaps he is preventing this weird consortium from getting on the same page.

Tisch has no operating authority and as I understand, no contractual authority to force anything, including the sale of the club.

At least one of our owners knows that he's not up to the complex job of leading (I didn't say running) this team forward.

[giantlegacy]

Nov 24, 2021 15:08:31 GMT -5 giantsalmon said:

My experience with the super wealthy(and I have quite a bit as a Charter boat operator who enters all big tournaments on our Great Lake) is all they have left is competition--and its damn frustrating to not be able to buy wins. They are used to buying everything right down to sex, adulation, and even a families love. Whether it's their own meddling holding back their own organization, or the inability to "outbid" for talent(salary cap) it is beyond frustrating for them to lose--and trust me, they see it as THEM losing, whether it's a horse they own, a sports team they own, or a fishing boat they charter or sponsor, its life and death to them.
They may be inept and let their egos get in the way but in no way do I think they are willing to lose for a decade to try to regain control/power.
They simply think they are smarter than they are. Lastly, why are we giving a hollywood guy a free pass? Perhaps he is preventing this weird consortium from getting on the same page.

Money and narcissism are a bad combo

I see it in my scene as well and it's the sure-fire way losing status quickly

[mendy]

Nov 24, 2021 15:17:46 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

Nov 24, 2021 15:08:31 GMT -5 giantsalmon said:

My experience with the super wealthy(and I have quite a bit as a Charter boat operator who enters all big tournaments on our Great Lake) is all they have left is competition--and its damn frustrating to not be able to buy wins. They are used to buying everything right down to sex, adulation, and even a families love. Whether it's their own meddling holding back their own organization, or the inability to "outbid" for talent(salary cap) it is beyond frustrating for them to lose--and trust me, they see it as THEM losing, whether it's a horse they own, a sports team they own, or a fishing boat they charter or sponsor, its life and death to them.
They may be inept and let their egos get in the way but in no way do I think they are willing to lose for a decade to try to regain control/power.
They simply think they are smarter than they are. Lastly, why are we giving a hollywood guy a free pass? Perhaps he is preventing this weird consortium from getting on the same page.

Money and narcissism are a bad combo

I see it in my scene as well and it's the sure-fire way losing status quickly

I all so have work with the wealthy and the one thing I know without a doubt is that if they own it, there is nothing you can do about it.

[TEM]

Nov 24, 2021 12:47:34 GMT -5 coughlinscorner said:

Nov 24, 2021 12:30:08 GMT -5 TEM said:

I have no proof of any of this except on how much power Steve wants the Mara's to have.

Just trying to understand the data. All the failures of this team point to one thing . And it can only be one thing . Before any of you jump all over me hear out my logic with an open mind and think a little bit about my conclusion.


Chris Mara becomes senior VP of PP in 2011 and well all know the history of the team after KG was scapegoated.
Steve Tisch told John I do not want the Mara's to have too much power as it pertains to the FO . Either a Mara is going to be CEO of the organization or the GM not both. I understand Steve's reasoning on that. It kind of nuters the Tisch's ability to have any say on team opps.



Here is where my logic on this kicks in.

It makes no sence to me on how this team can be so bad for so long. I do not buy the John Mara is a moronic idiot excuse.  To me this is far deeper than what it appears . This goes back to before George Young  with the Mara wars. Tim sell his half of the team to the Tischs. The Maras immediately lost full control of the team. Wellington passes away god rest his soul. But the remaining Maras hold a deep seeded resentment. "We do not have control any more".

The next question they ask . How do we get it back?   

The first thing they do is take the hand cuffs off Jerry Reese. He is an idiot . He'll F the team up without intervention. The next stumbling block in their way Tom Coughlin. He knows how to win . Let JR do his thing , scapegoat TC.

Now you bring in the smartest moron in the room in as the HC. There was no way that idiot is going to succeed . McAdoo by his nature was an idiot . Failure was going to happen. Scapegoat him and Reese.

You bring a guy we know to save the team (doomed from the moment he was hired) Dave Gentlemen. John Mara hires Pat Shurmur a decent person but is far from what is needed as an HC. Another sure fire failure. Then have some theatrics throw a chair. Make it look convincing.  Scapegoat Pat Shurmur

We are going to get better.....blah blah blah..  Bring in the the special teams guy. Talks a good game but knows  nothing on how to  run a football team.

The only logic I can conclude from all of this . The entire past 10 years is a big ruse to convince Steve Tisch to allow John to incert Chris as GM. " The only option left to fix the team". WA-LA  the Maras again are in full control of the team.

This is my just opinion presented by the facts at hand.

You have your timeline wrong.  George Young came aboard in 1979.  Robert Tisch bought his 50% of the Giants in 1991.   Wellington dies in 2005.

my time line was used just used as a means to explain the Mara Brothers motivation after WMs death.

[giantlegacy]

Nov 24, 2021 16:13:12 GMT -5 mendy said:

Nov 24, 2021 15:17:46 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

Money and narcissism are a bad combo

I see it in my scene as well and it's the sure-fire way losing status quickly

I all so have work with the wealthy and the one thing I know without a doubt is that if they own it, there is nothing you can do about it.

From my vantage point it's highly entertaining when this happens...
For evert Dan Bilzarian there are 20 more you don't hear about ....

[TEM]

Nov 24, 2021 14:57:58 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

It's not a coincidence that the bottom fell out right after Fredo was inserted as VP of player personnel...
He definitely had a role in a lot of bad decisions to be part of this

Exactly why I believe my point holds water

[snyder55]

Nov 24, 2021 13:12:30 GMT -5 repeatchamps said:

Nov 24, 2021 12:56:58 GMT -5 imgrate said:

Third paragraph...who is KG? Couldn't figure it out

Kevin Gilbride

I wish Kevin was still calling the plays..

[snyder55]

Nov 24, 2021 15:17:46 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

Nov 24, 2021 15:08:31 GMT -5 giantsalmon said:

My experience with the super wealthy(and I have quite a bit as a Charter boat operator who enters all big tournaments on our Great Lake) is all they have left is competition--and its damn frustrating to not be able to buy wins. They are used to buying everything right down to sex, adulation, and even a families love. Whether it's their own meddling holding back their own organization, or the inability to "outbid" for talent(salary cap) it is beyond frustrating for them to lose--and trust me, they see it as THEM losing, whether it's a horse they own, a sports team they own, or a fishing boat they charter or sponsor, its life and death to them.
They may be inept and let their egos get in the way but in no way do I think they are willing to lose for a decade to try to regain control/power.
They simply think they are smarter than they are. Lastly, why are we giving a hollywood guy a free pass? Perhaps he is preventing this weird consortium from getting on the same page.

Money and narcissism are a bad combo

I see it in my scene as well and it's the sure-fire way losing status quickly

narcissism is rampant at the top of big business, I see it in the NFL owners like Jerry Jones, the Maras and a bunch of others egomaniacs

[jaymas]

Nov 24, 2021 14:57:58 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

It's not a coincidence that the bottom fell out right after Fredo was inserted as VP of player personnel...
He definitely had a role in a lot of bad decisions to be part of this

It is a coincidence. I could just as easily say the bottoming out started when Ross was promoted under Reese. It's all hearsay.

The reality is, all we know is that drafting and roster building started to have a lot more misses than hits under Reese and now DG has been worse.

Quite frankly Mara's role is probably more focused on pro personnel than drafting. 

[giantlegacy]

Nov 24, 2021 16:34:04 GMT -5 snyder55 said:

Nov 24, 2021 13:12:30 GMT -5 repeatchamps said:

Kevin Gilbride

I wish Kevin was still calling the plays..

Kitchens comes from the same tree of sorts.
He was with Arians in Arizona...Arians runs the Gilbride style of the Erheart/Perkins

Assuming Judge is here next year and the offense improves we will probably see us morph into a modern style of the Gilbride style Erheart/Perkins next year.
Right now only Toney and Shepard are good enough running option routes to flourish

[McCherry]

Nov 24, 2021 17:01:59 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

Nov 24, 2021 16:34:04 GMT -5 snyder55 said:

I wish Kevin was still calling the plays..

Kitchens comes from the same tree of sorts.
He was with Arians in Arizona...Arians runs the Gilbride style of the Erheart/Perkins

Assuming Judge is here next year and the offense improves we will probably see us morph into a modern style of the Gilbride style Erheart/Perkins next year.
Right now only Toney and Shepard are good enough running option routes to flourish

Hopefully he'll work closely with Russ Callaway, because looking at the results on the field, Garrett sure didn't.

[snyder55]

Nov 24, 2021 17:01:59 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

Nov 24, 2021 16:34:04 GMT -5 snyder55 said:

I wish Kevin was still calling the plays..

Kitchens comes from the same tree of sorts.
He was with Arians in Arizona...Arians runs the Gilbride style of the Erheart/Perkins

Assuming Judge is here next year and the offense improves we will probably see us morph into a modern style of the Gilbride style Erheart/Perkins next year.
Right now only Toney and Shepard are good enough running option routes to flourish

Gilbride wasn't afraid to put the ball downfield and thats kind of whats missing now, Gilbride may have taken the blame for something that wasn't his fault...

[giantlegacy]

Nov 24, 2021 17:07:38 GMT -5 McCherry said:

Nov 24, 2021 17:01:59 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

Kitchens comes from the same tree of sorts.
He was with Arians in Arizona...Arians runs the Gilbride style of the Erheart/Perkins

Assuming Judge is here next year and the offense improves we will probably see us morph into a modern style of the Gilbride style Erheart/Perkins next year.
Right now only Toney and Shepard are good enough running option routes to flourish

Hopefully he'll work closely with Russ Callaway, because looking at the results on the field, Garrett sure didn't.

Calloway was part of Brady's offensive staff
That was a hybrid system that New Orleans runs (mixture of timing routes and option routes )

This is the style Judge wants to run....
Garrett was such a square peg on this team ...