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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 9:06:05 GMT -5
First things first the O-line has to be fixed and I'm confident with Gettleman out of the way that it will be much better than it was this year.
With an improved outline what would you rather do/have?
Daniel Jones with another chance to since he is still under contract and still young give him another shot to see what he has with our weapons and our having to be better/be blessed with the injury bug next year?
Russell Wilson given all that we will have to give up to get him and he is much much older?
Or Deshaun Watson which I'm sure he is younger than Russ and I love his talent put aside all of the accusations. For me I'd just not want to give up the damn Lottery to get him smh but dayummmm. 🤔🤔🤔
I guess the safe thing for me that I would probably do is DJ under the circumstances I mentioned above and we will see how he does next year.
Who would you take?
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Post by ratbastich on Nov 26, 2021 9:14:48 GMT -5
If Deshaun didn't have all those issues off the field I would take him in a heartbeat. He is only 26. Russell Wilson, I think his best days are probably behind him.
I think with DJ, what you see is what you are going to get and he isn't going to have one of those "Aha!" moments. The mistakes he is making are the same that he made in college.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 9:32:11 GMT -5
If Deshaun didn't have all those issues off the field I would take him in a heartbeat. He is only 26. Russell Wilson, I think his best days are probably behind him. I think with DJ, what you see is what you are going to get and he isn't going to have one of those "Aha!" moments. The mistakes he is making are the same that he made in college. I'm not even worried about those off-the-field issues because no one is perfect in believe it or not I guarantee you half of the league hit on females and etc etc. We are in the days of man holler at women and you know they are in a position where they have a whole lot more money and influence and women want to naturally get with them but it's even Amplified by the fact that they're rich and famous LOL so to speak. So yeah you know I'm not even worried about those things it's just at the Capitol to get him will be too much. |
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Post by DJones19 on Nov 26, 2021 9:36:17 GMT -5
Wilson has lost a step and doesn't even look good this year...and how much is he going to cost?
Not interested in Watson...seemed like the guy wanted to be treated like royalty and be a part time GM for the team. Then add the legal issues. The NY media would have a field day.
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Post by ratbastich on Nov 26, 2021 9:43:27 GMT -5
If Deshaun didn't have all those issues off the field I would take him in a heartbeat. He is only 26. Russell Wilson, I think his best days are probably behind him. I think with DJ, what you see is what you are going to get and he isn't going to have one of those "Aha!" moments. The mistakes he is making are the same that he made in college. I'm not even worried about those off-the-field issues because no one is perfect in believe it or not I guarantee you half of the league hit on females and etc etc. We are in the days of man holler at women and you know they are in a position where they have a whole lot more money and influence and women want to naturally get with them but it's even Amplified by the fact that they're rich and famous LOL so to speak. So yeah you know I'm not even worried about those things it's just at the Capitol to get him will be too much. I'm going to say that some of the accusations are much more than just "hollering" and even then, the "hollering" shouldn't be happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 9:48:01 GMT -5
None of the above..
I don't think there is a solution for next season so build the team and do what you can to get a good prospect in 23..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 26, 2021 9:53:26 GMT -5
I do not want Watson regardless. I'm still disappointed that some previous Giants turned out to be bad guys.
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Post by TEM on Nov 26, 2021 10:24:35 GMT -5
What GM in their right mind wants Watson with his baggage.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 11:17:19 GMT -5
None of the above.. I don't think there is a solution for next season so build the team and do what you can to get a good prospect in 23.. This is how you guarantee the next 5 years are not much better We are not a qb away and we don't have cap space next year |
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Post by SG88 on Nov 26, 2021 11:33:40 GMT -5
First things first the O-line has to be fixed and I'm confident with Gettleman out of the way that it will be much better than it was this year. With an improved outline what would you rather do/have? Daniel Jones with another chance to since he is still under contract and still young give him another shot to see what he has with our weapons and our having to be better/be blessed with the injury bug next year? Russell Wilson given all that we will have to give up to get him and he is much much older? Or Deshaun Watson which I'm sure he is younger than Russ and I love his talent put aside all of the accusations. For me I'd just not want to give up the damn Lottery to get him smh but dayummmm. 🤔🤔🤔 I guess the safe thing for me that I would probably do is DJ under the circumstances I mentioned above and we will see how he does next year. Who would you take? I'm mentally done with Daniel Jones. If he didn't play another game in a Giants uniform, I would not lose a wink of sleep. He is a future backup QB to me. He shows glimpses of ability but is too inconsistent to trust. Enough with the excuses. He deals with similar issues as other QBs. He is our Mitch Trubisky. If a person wants him to keep on waiting to see if he is our future QB, more power to them. The Giants, thanks to their front office, are in cap hell and most likely won't be able to take on Russ or Watson as things stand. Until there is some sort of resolution to Watson's case, no one is going to trade for that guy. The people clowning on Wilson crack me up. The guy honestly should not even be playing considering that the usual time frame to recover is to 2-3 months. He came back in 4 weeks! Seattle should shut him down and keep his trade value as high as possible. Finally, I'm all for them totally blowing up their triad of front office, HC, and QB. If there is a QB in this draft that you like (regardless of what "experts" and highly knowledgeable fans are saying), take him and sign a bridge guy. I could tolerate a season or two of losing as long as there was some clear plan. The problem with the Giants is that they don't know what the hell they're doing. Don't force Judge onto a new GM and I hope that they don't use their usual nepotism and hire a GM that has ZERO ties to the Giants. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 26, 2021 11:46:30 GMT -5
This off season , Jimmy Garrapolo will be available.
Trey Lance will be the Niner’s starting ( next season ) QB.
Giants have two number three picks.
Giants can trade one of there third round pick .
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Post by McCherry on Nov 26, 2021 11:55:51 GMT -5
An offensive line...
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2021 12:03:53 GMT -5
This off season , Jimmy Garrapolo will be available. Trey Lance will be the Niner’s starting ( next season ) QB. Giants have two number three picks. Giants can trade one of there third round pick . I'm sure he will be, why would the Giants want him? This team can lose games without him just as easily as with him. They don't need to overpay the 49ers for that privilege. |
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Post by SG88 on Nov 26, 2021 12:04:45 GMT -5
I don't think that is one of the choices 😄 |
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Post by SG88 on Nov 26, 2021 12:06:52 GMT -5
This off season , Jimmy Garrapolo will be available. Trey Lance will be the Niner’s starting ( next season ) QB. Giants have two number three picks. Giants can trade one of there third round pick . I'm sure he will be, why would the Giants want him?  This team can lose games without him just as easily as with him.  They don't need to overpay the 49ers for that privilege.   I think that there is a possibility that he is released if his guarantees are gone. Someone please Google his contract details! |
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2021 12:17:04 GMT -5
I'm sure he will be, why would the Giants want him? This team can lose games without him just as easily as with him. They don't need to overpay the 49ers for that privilege. I think that there is a possibility that he is released if his guarantees are gone. Someone please Google his contract details! Even if he was cut, I wouldn't want him. I've seen what he can do. If this team ever fixes its trenches, he would not be the QB to take the team anywhere it couldn't go without him imo. |
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Post by grapenut on Nov 26, 2021 12:23:35 GMT -5
My choices for the upcoming draft are: All draft choices are to be used for the highest rated player at that draft position and is an offensive lineman or a front seven defensive player. I normally do not like drafting for need; but in order to fix this team, I think this is the way to go. The QB position should not be addressed until the 2023 season. The draft and free agency in 2023 and subsequent years can return to normal once both lines are fixed.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 12:33:36 GMT -5
My choices for the upcoming draft are: All draft choices are to be used for the highest rated player at that draft position and is an offensive lineman or a front seven defensive player. I normally do not like drafting for need; but in order to fix this team, I think this is the way to go. The QB position should not be addressed until the 2023 season. The draft and free agency in 2023 and subsequent years can return to normal once both lines are fixed. Need and BPA are going to actually coincide at those positions in 2022.. We could possibly walk out of our 1st 3 picks witb Hutchinson,Linderbaum and Loyd |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 12:45:26 GMT -5
Time to break out Lucille again and beat up Artax again....
Grampa Gettlemen,the gift that keeps on giving...
2018...no Beal
2019-post Beckham trade,don't overpay for the wish versio of Cruz,Dalton Risner and Terry McClauren (with the 3rd we didn't use on Beal
2020..Darnell Mooney ...
2021...we have McClauren and Mooney on rookie deals,no need to pay for Golladay and with the trade back there were a few good linemen (hell take Humphreys,bit of a reach )because Mooney does all the Toney stuff
Odds are Jones looks a bit better but if not.....look at all the cap space for Wilson to make tbe trade to get us into a win now playoff mode...young playmakers and a young and better o line
So Grampa Gettleman and Fredo sticking to tbe ancient Giants way of thinking recievers are irrelevant until they have everything else indirectly castrated the team from making such a move
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 13:21:12 GMT -5
What GM in their right mind wants Watson with his baggage. one that wants to win. I mean there are plenty of guys in the league or who were in the league who have done worst and got 2nd and third chances. I just had to look up what he actually did because I heard ofcourse initially. Ok I will say from what I just read, let me copy and paste: allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated on three women and in front of three others, groped four women and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for a massage. Ok yeah some of those things you can't do, but it's alleged. In my opinion the other things are things I'm sure shit more than half of this society does I mean to each their own on how much of a fetish you are lol. The thing is rather someone is guilty or not in this world today especially, I know there will be piling on in some instances where people who have dealt with someone and see an oppurtunity to get a payday, heck yeah they are going to throw there name in the hat. It could've been totally consensual but nawwwww. Do I think he's a bad guy for that, no in my opinion because like I said I know men and what men do. Like I said some of the other stuff you can't do and but we know also that in the context of the allegations, it could've been a situation where it was a flirt on both sides and then the man is just aggressive in his wanting to go further. Or heck even if just a tad aggressive as men do what they do to get what they want and it could be in an innocent way so to speak but ofcourse a woman can pursue something out of that if they feel they have a chance. So yeah I'm sure there are a lot of people on this board who will have different feelings about the situation and that's my take and my opinion on the matter and on life in general. GM's have taken on situations before that were questionable and the real answer is if he goes somewhere and wins and especially brings a title, a lot of stuff will be forgiven because that's society, human nature, and frankly the way things are especially in sports and winning masks a lot of shit that it wouldn't otherwise do. Does it make it right , well that depends on what you as an individual believes one way or another; everyone's different! |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 13:24:13 GMT -5
First things first the O-line has to be fixed and I'm confident with Gettleman out of the way that it will be much better than it was this year. With an improved outline what would you rather do/have? Daniel Jones with another chance to since he is still under contract and still young give him another shot to see what he has with our weapons and our having to be better/be blessed with the injury bug next year? Russell Wilson given all that we will have to give up to get him and he is much much older? Or Deshaun Watson which I'm sure he is younger than Russ and I love his talent put aside all of the accusations. For me I'd just not want to give up the damn Lottery to get him smh but dayummmm. 🤔🤔🤔 I guess the safe thing for me that I would probably do is DJ under the circumstances I mentioned above and we will see how he does next year. Who would you take? I'm mentally done with Daniel Jones. If he didn't play another game in a Giants uniform, I would not lose a wink of sleep. He is a future backup QB to me. He shows glimpses of ability but is too inconsistent to trust. Enough with the excuses. He deals with similar issues as other QBs. He is our Mitch Trubisky. If a person wants him to keep on waiting to see if he is our future QB, more power to them. The Giants, thanks to their front office, are in cap hell and most likely won't be able to take on Russ or Watson as things stand. Until there is some sort of resolution to Watson's case, no one is going to trade for that guy. The people clowning on Wilson crack me up. The guy honestly should not even be playing considering that the usual time frame to recover is to 2-3 months. He came back in 4 weeks! Seattle should shut him down and keep his trade value as high as possible. Finally, I'm all for them totally blowing up their triad of front office, HC, and QB. If there is a QB in this draft that you like (regardless of what "experts" and highly knowledgeable fans are saying), take him and sign a bridge guy. I could tolerate a season or two of losing as long as there was some clear plan. The problem with the Giants is that they don't know what the hell they're doing. Don't force Judge onto a new GM and I hope that they don't use their usual nepotism and hire a GM that has ZERO ties to the Giants. great points for sure and they sure don't know what the heck they are doing |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 13:31:42 GMT -5
What GM in their right mind wants Watson with his baggage. one that wants to win. I mean there are plenty of guys in the league or who were in the league who have done worst and got 2nd and third chances. I just had to look up what he actually did because I heard ofcourse initially. Ok I will say from what I just read, let me copy and paste: allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated on three women and in front of three others, groped four women and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for a massage. Ok yeah some of those things you can't do, but it's alleged. In my opinion the other things are things I'm sure shit more than half of this society does I mean to each their own on how much of a fetish you are lol. The thing is rather someone is guilty or not in this world today especially, I know there will be piling on in some instances where people who have dealt with someone and see an oppurtunity to get a payday, heck yeah they are going to throw there name in the hat. It could've been totally consensual but nawwwww. Do I think he's a bad guy for that, no in my opinion because like I said I know men and what men do. Like I said some of the other stuff you can't do and but we know also that in the context of the allegations, it could've been a situation where it was a flirt on both sides and then the man is just aggressive in his wanting to go further. Or heck even if just a tad aggressive as men do what they do to get what they want and it could be in an innocent way so to speak but ofcourse a woman can pursue something out of that if they feel they have a chance. So yeah I'm sure there are a lot of people on this board who will have different feelings about the situation and that's my take and my opinion on the matter and on life in general. GM's have taken on situations before that were questionable and the real answer is if he goes somewhere and wins and especially brings a title, a lot of stuff will be forgiven because that's society, human nature, and frankly the way things are especially in sports and winning masks a lot of shit that it wouldn't otherwise do. Does it make it right , well that depends on what you as an individual believes one way or another; everyone's different! Miami backed out of their deal with Houston because of doubt with whether this would be resolved for a while Ask yourself this I think Houston wanted at least 3 first round picks and Tua plus.... If you are a GM and there is a real chance you could be without the guy you just mortgaged your entire future for could be good for possibly 2 years if convicted plus a suspension....would you do this? Nevemind like above we don't have cap room for this ... I understand fans are frustrated but doing things completely out of haste for instant gratification usually ends up making things much worse in the long run.Fans don't want to hear this but unfortunately right now the sane and right thing to do is stay the course with Jones for 2022 and do everything else to make it where either he steps up (as unlikely as it looks now it could change,how many fans were wanting to run Eli out of town vs Minnesota in 2007,year 4?)or we are good enough to be a qb away and make the move for a guy in 2023(if there was a way to get Detroit's 2023 1st round pick I'd mortgage whatever because that and ours could be enough to ensure Bryce Young) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 13:59:58 GMT -5
None of the above.. I don't think there is a solution for next season so build the team and do what you can to get a good prospect in 23.. This is how you guarantee the next 5 years are not much better We are not a qb away and we don't have cap space next year I will have to disagree with you on this.. I would like to here your solution since you are guarantying mine will make the team bad for 5 more years..
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 14:03:51 GMT -5
This is how you guarantee the next 5 years are not much better We are not a qb away and we don't have cap space next year I will have to disagree with you on this.. I would like to here your solution since you are guarantying mine will make the team bad for 5 more years..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 14:07:29 GMT -5
I will have to disagree with you on this.. I would like to here your solution since you are guarantying mine will make the team bad for 5 more years..
I was agreeing with you actually.. I worded it completely wrong After reading some of your later responses I was huh that's what I said.. LOL |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 14:13:29 GMT -5
I was agreeing with you actually.. I worded it completely wrong After reading some of your later responses I was huh that's what I said.. LOLÂ Multitasking . |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 26, 2021 14:56:39 GMT -5
We have alot of draft capital and we need it to rebuild this roster everywhere.
We don't need a veteran QB who will cost that much. We are not a QB away from a SB appearance next year.
We should build, build, build from the draft and if trading a 1 for a lower 1 and a couple of 2s, so be it.
Our needs are massive. We can figure out QB in the subsequent FA/draft period.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 26, 2021 14:58:21 GMT -5
I agree with what most are saying.
Wilson I also think his best years are behind him. These are the years injuries start showing up. This year could be just be the beginning of the end.
Watson is a mental headache. I don't trust him there is always some issue with him. And now these charges after law enforcement the league could still impose punishment. And we would give up a kings ransom to get him ? Give me a break.
Jones doesn't seem to be anywhere near the answer. But only his 4th year next year on rookie contract. No option year for him. But keep him in place for next year. You want a mid level vet QB from FA to compete fine. 1 year cheap.
I don't want to give up those early 1st rd picks next year and whatever else it would take. I'm going that old philosophy of build the team then drop the QB in there. At this point I believe it's our best chance to succeed.
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Post by TEM on Nov 26, 2021 15:26:11 GMT -5
What GM in their right mind wants Watson with his baggage. one that wants to win. I mean there are plenty of guys in the league or who were in the league who have done worst and got 2nd and third chances. I just had to look up what he actually did because I heard ofcourse initially. Ok I will say from what I just read, let me copy and paste: allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated on three women and in front of three others, groped four women and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for a massage. Ok yeah some of those things you can't do, but it's alleged. In my opinion the other things are things I'm sure shit more than half of this society does I mean to each their own on how much of a fetish you are lol. The thing is rather someone is guilty or not in this world today especially, I know there will be piling on in some instances where people who have dealt with someone and see an oppurtunity to get a payday, heck yeah they are going to throw there name in the hat. It could've been totally consensual but nawwwww. Do I think he's a bad guy for that, no in my opinion because like I said I know men and what men do. Like I said some of the other stuff you can't do and but we know also that in the context of the allegations, it could've been a situation where it was a flirt on both sides and then the man is just aggressive in his wanting to go further. Or heck even if just a tad aggressive as men do what they do to get what they want and it could be in an innocent way so to speak but ofcourse a woman can pursue something out of that if they feel they have a chance. So yeah I'm sure there are a lot of people on this board who will have different feelings about the situation and that's my take and my opinion on the matter and on life in general. GM's have taken on situations before that were questionable and the real answer is if he goes somewhere and wins and especially brings a title, a lot of stuff will be forgiven because that's society, human nature, and frankly the way things are especially in sports and winning masks a lot of shit that it wouldn't otherwise do. Does it make it right , well that depends on what you as an individual believes one way or another; everyone's different! He is a law suit waiting to happen. The FO does not need that. The NY press would run him out of town in an hour. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 15:32:12 GMT -5
I agree with what most are saying. Wilson I also think his best years are behind him. These are the years injuries start showing up. This year could be just be the beginning of the end. Watson is a mental headache. I don't trust him there is always some issue with him. And now these charges after law enforcement the league could still impose punishment. And we would give up a kings ransom to get him ? Give me a break. Jones doesn't seem to be anywhere near the answer. But only his 4th year next year on rookie contract. No option year for him. But keep him in place for next year. You want a mid level vet QB from FA to compete fine. 1 year cheap. I don't want to give up those early 1st rd picks next year and whatever else it would take. I'm going that old philosophy of build the team then drop the QB in there. At this point I believe it's our best chance to succeed. The issue with Wilson (besides the Seahawks being worse than us building an O line )is that Pete Carrol decided a few years ago to turn into a dinosaur and try to win playing retro goober prehistoric style football,getting away from their cutting edge style of offense Wilson had his first few years (along with Chip Kelly they were the first team to incorporate now modern elements of air rair,RPO,ect to their WCO based system)..Carrol wants to win on defense and a game manager style offense where only throwing it when nessesary lately,look at their OC(Shottenheimer).. Besides the fact you can't build a team to win 10-6 type games all the time to win championships this era,you especially need a top 10 all time O line and historically good defense Seattle isn't anywhere close to this. Wilson looks defeated out there,he is letting Metcalf say what he wants to publicly say Put Wilson on the Saints and they win at least one if not 2 more Lombardis.. |
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