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Post by SG88 on Dec 6, 2021 9:57:33 GMT -5
If you did not watch yesterday's game and saw that statistic, you would've known by default that the Giants lost. The coaches should be ashamed of themselves for having a ratio like that, especially with their backup QB and being that undermanned at WR.
What are they trying to do on offense? No one knows because they don't have an identity. It has been this way for several years. Until they figure out what the hell they're trying to do out there, they will be irrelevant. Being a fan of this team is tough sledding
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2021 10:02:25 GMT -5
It's not like they didn't try to run it
There were so many optimal fronts that were presented and we couldn't even run it against a front that had the bare minimum in the box because our O line couldn't even block that(especially the right side)
The right side of the O line is so bad it's a no go zone,they try to run it left teams overload and run blitz gaps there knowing that side is better
So that leaves 2nd and 3rd and long....
Now
You can pass it in place of a run if you can get 4 plus yards on 1st down...
Sometimes we did,sometimes Glennon missed even easy passes.
We have an identity
Inept
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 6, 2021 10:08:32 GMT -5
Watch the Dolphins offense. Their running game is a joke, they gain inches instead of yards. However, they stuck to it throughout the game. As for us, we were always playing behind. So, I get it why we went through the air more than the ground. But, you don’t do that when you have a backup quarterback, who may have been playing with a concussion. There was a drive yesterday where we ripped off two consecutive runs for big gains. What do we follow that up with? Two incomplete passes, and kick the field goal. Terrible in-game management by Kichens and Judge. You’re running down their throat, and you abandon it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 10:08:35 GMT -5
50/50 ratio would result in more punts imo. The OL can’t run block.
Imo, some of you are grasping for reason as if the roster doesn’t stink.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 6, 2021 10:13:34 GMT -5
50/50 ratio would result in more punts imo. The OL can’t run block. Imo, some of you are grasping for reason as if the roster doesn’t stink. Don't get it twisted. I think that the roster is not any good. It's actually ass backwards. I'm just pointing out something that didn't make a lot of sense in my mind. I just felt like they should have ran it way more than they did yesterday. They don't have the manpower or akillset at QB to be that pass happy. |
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Post by PennState1 on Dec 6, 2021 10:13:53 GMT -5
If you did not watch yesterday's game and saw that statistic, you would've known by default that the Giants lost. The coaches should be ashamed of themselves for having a ratio like that, especially with their backup QB and being that undermanned at WR. What are they trying to do on offense? No one knows because they don't have an identity. It has been this way for several years. Until they figure out what the hell they're trying to do out there, they will be irrelevant. Being a fan of this team is tough sledding Great point. I really have not thought of it that way. Still, fix the oline, find a few guys who are nasty and love to run block and things can turn quickly |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 6, 2021 10:14:34 GMT -5
50/50 ratio would result in more punts imo. The OL can’t run block. Imo, some of you are grasping for reason as if the roster doesn’t stink. Don't get it twisted. I think that the roster is not any good. It's actually ass backwards. I'm just pointing out something that didn't make a lot of sense in my mind. I just felt like they should have ran it way more than they did yesterday. They don't have the manpower or akillset at QB to be that pass happy. this team has almost nothing. They are not even up to the point to try an even create an identity. |
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 6, 2021 10:26:58 GMT -5
There’s a lot of conflicting messaging.
We hear a lot about “you call plays based on your roster’s ability, not sticking to a gameplan and ignoring what your players can and can’t do well”. I think that’s what we did.
At this point it’s a matter of “how do you want to lose?”
Do you want to lose with more balanced playcalling or do you want to lose with lopsided playcalling?
Because watching that game it’s clear we’re not fielding a roster on the offensive side that’s going to win.
This is a message board so we can and should discuss whatever we want.
But if you could magically flip rosters so our coaches are coaching opponent’s roster, the result of these games don’t change.
Injuries shouldn’t “save” anyone’s job, but they’ve rendered some of these discussions basically useless.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 10:29:31 GMT -5
50/50 ratio would result in more punts imo. The OL can’t run block. Imo, some of you are grasping for reason as if the roster doesn’t stink. Don't get it twisted. I think that the roster is not any good. It's actually ass backwards. I'm just pointing out something that didn't make a lot of sense in my mind. I just felt like they should have ran it way more than they did yesterday. They don't have the manpower or akillset at QB to be that pass happy. i don’t think anything will work with this circus. Any ratio, rhyme/reason i don’t see anything working. As is, a roster like this goes winless imo. With the cap disaster, this is the worst i’ve ever seen. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 10:31:26 GMT -5
Don't get it twisted. I think that the roster is not any good. It's actually ass backwards. I'm just pointing out something that didn't make a lot of sense in my mind. I just felt like they should have ran it way more than they did yesterday. They don't have the manpower or akillset at QB to be that pass happy. this team has almost nothing. They are not even up to the point to try an even create an identity. looks like backups in a preseason game. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 10:37:21 GMT -5
If we could run block we would run the ball. That is why I think this years oline is even worse than last years 31st rated oline. Last year we could not pass block but at least we could run the ball.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 6, 2021 10:43:28 GMT -5
There’s a lot of conflicting messaging. We hear a lot about “you call plays based on your roster’s ability, not sticking to a gameplan and ignoring what your players can and can’t do well”. I think that’s what we did. At this point it’s a matter of “how do you want to lose?” Do you want to lose with more balanced playcalling or do you want to lose with lopsided playcalling? Because watching that game it’s clear we’re not fielding a roster on the offensive side that’s going to win. This is a message board so we can and should discuss whatever we want. But if you could magically flip rosters so our coaches are coaching opponent’s roster, the result of these games don’t change. Injuries shouldn’t “save” anyone’s job, but they’ve rendered some of these discussions basically useless. I agree. Does Miami have a talented roster? Hell no, they're probably less talented, they have more injuries than anyone, but that's a team that is coached well and plays hard, smart football. |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 6, 2021 10:43:39 GMT -5
this team has almost nothing. They are not even up to the point to try an even create an identity. looks like backups in a preseason game. this season has finally broken me. I was a very optimistic fan and ow I am not. Even over the course of the last 10 seasons I remained in the camp of "this year things turn around". As a moderator on this board I have chastised a few, over the last couple of years, for being so/too negative etc. Well......now I have walked in their shoes I guess. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 10:54:44 GMT -5
looks like backups in a preseason game. this season has finally broken me. I was a very optimistic fan and ow I am not. Even over the course of the last 10 seasons I remained in the camp of "this year things turn around". As a moderator on this board I have chastised a few, over the last couple of years, for being so/too negative etc. Well......now I have walked in their shoes I guess. the free spending scared the heck out of me. That cap is a huge handicap for 2022 so are we off to 2023? The whole thing is broken. I didn’t trust the OL. The Peart situation is bad imo, Lemiuex going down hurt, Gates injury was brutal and Hernandez looks bad. Had the Giants selected Smith at WR the team would still stink. Pick should have been Slater and kept Zietler. Besides the obvious roster issues and going forward, i think we really need one of the #1 picks to jump the Jets. |
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Post by Giggles on Dec 6, 2021 11:05:50 GMT -5
There’s a lot of conflicting messaging. We hear a lot about “you call plays based on your roster’s ability, not sticking to a gameplan and ignoring what your players can and can’t do well”. I think that’s what we did. At this point it’s a matter of “how do you want to lose?” Do you want to lose with more balanced playcalling or do you want to lose with lopsided playcalling? Because watching that game it’s clear we’re not fielding a roster on the offensive side that’s going to win. This is a message board so we can and should discuss whatever we want. But if you could magically flip rosters so our coaches are coaching opponent’s roster, the result of these games don’t change. Injuries shouldn’t “save” anyone’s job, but they’ve rendered some of these discussions basically useless. I agree. Does Miami have a talented roster? Hell no, they're probably less talented, they have more injuries than anyone, but that's a team that is coached well and plays hard, smart football. I think they have more talent than the Giants. We have a bottom 5 roster is terms of personnel. |
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Post by jb456 on Dec 6, 2021 11:19:39 GMT -5
It's not like they didn't try to run it There were so many optimal fronts that were presented and we couldn't even run it against a front that had the bare minimum in the box because our O line couldn't even block that(especially the right side) The right side of the O line is so bad it's a no go zone,they try to run it left teams overload and run blitz gaps there knowing that side is better So that leaves 2nd and 3rd and long.... Now You can pass it in place of a run if you can get 4 plus yards on 1st down... Sometimes we did,sometimes Glennon missed even easy passes. We have an identity Inept In the first half it also looked like they were running it into cover 0 and cover 1. I don't think they gave Glennon the authority to check out of a play or he is just really bad. |
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Post by SG88 on Dec 6, 2021 11:36:13 GMT -5
looks like backups in a preseason game. this season has finally broken me. I was a very optimistic fan and ow I am not. Even over the course of the last 10 seasons I remained in the camp of "this year things turn around". As a moderator on this board I have chastised a few, over the last couple of years, for being so/too negative etc. Well......now I have walked in their shoes I guess. As a fan base, we've had it. Our fan base is very passionate about the team and realistic for the most part. I don't think that we are asking for much when we demand to be relevant and to win more than we lose. For the most part of a decade, we've been irrelevant and have lost way more than we've won. People actually shake their head or laugh when they see me either wearing a Giants hat or shirt or when they see my Giants license plate. |
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 6, 2021 11:40:25 GMT -5
Their identity on offense is called "not good".
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Post by wtfjjk on Dec 6, 2021 11:59:27 GMT -5
It's almost as if getting rid of Garrett didn't change anything.
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Post by jb456 on Dec 6, 2021 12:06:40 GMT -5
It's almost as if getting rid of Garrett didn't change anything. The team is trash but the Giants couldn't run the ball with or without Garrett. Garrett was one of the worst coordinators in the league and 1/2 the games that Garrett has missed were with a bad backup QB. Jones is better than Glennon even though that isn't saying much. Did anyone think the Giants would be able to install a new Scheme in less than 2 weeks and have the backup playing great? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 12:10:10 GMT -5
It's almost as if getting rid of Garrett didn't change anything. Shocking, but the play calling is so much better let’s get a new coach . . . Coughlin, Mac, Shumur, Judge? How about blocking before we go through another four coaches? |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 6, 2021 12:47:30 GMT -5
It's almost as if getting rid of Garrett didn't change anything. I notice some differences, in pre-snap motion, some of the route concepts, etc, but the execution still really sucks, so it hardly matters. |
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Post by giants8493 on Dec 6, 2021 14:07:17 GMT -5
It's not like they didn't try to run it There were so many optimal fronts that were presented and we couldn't even run it against a front that had the bare minimum in the box because our O line couldn't even block that(especially the right side) The right side of the O line is so bad it's a no go zone,they try to run it left teams overload and run blitz gaps there knowing that side is better So that leaves 2nd and 3rd and long.... Now You can pass it in place of a run if you can get 4 plus yards on 1st down... Sometimes we did,sometimes Glennon missed even easy passes. We have an identity Inept They did not try enough. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2021 14:10:44 GMT -5
It's not like they didn't try to run it There were so many optimal fronts that were presented and we couldn't even run it against a front that had the bare minimum in the box because our O line couldn't even block that(especially the right side) The right side of the O line is so bad it's a no go zone,they try to run it left teams overload and run blitz gaps there knowing that side is better So that leaves 2nd and 3rd and long.... Now You can pass it in place of a run if you can get 4 plus yards on 1st down... Sometimes we did,sometimes Glennon missed even easy passes. We have an identity Inept They did not try enough. 1st and 10 2 yard loss Then what ? When you are behind the chains and they can't even run it against a 6 man box what do you want them to do |
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Post by giants8493 on Dec 6, 2021 14:14:49 GMT -5
1st and 10 2 yard loss Then what ? When you are behind the chains and they can't even run it against a 6 man box what do you want them to do run the ball 4 times in a row until they get it freaking right. I don't care about the down and distance at this point. This team will not be competitive until they figure this out. There was zero chance of Glennon winning this game though the air anyway. That just leaves the run game. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2021 14:17:41 GMT -5
1st and 10 2 yard loss Then what ? When you are behind the chains and they can't even run it against a 6 man box what do you want them to do run the ball 4 times in a row until they get it freaking right. I don't care about the down and distance at this point. This team will not be competitive until they figure this out. There was zero chance of Glennon winning this game though the air anyway. That just leaves the run game. So prevent offense the entire game. The only thing nore embarrassing than what we saw yesterday is if we did exactly as you said and got shut out. |
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Post by Eazy E on Dec 6, 2021 14:36:54 GMT -5
A team takes the face of its coach. So what is our coach like in the spotlight?
Confused? Skittish? Unprepared? Miscommunication? Confusion? Sound about right for the team? What is the identity of our coach? Team also seems to play flat footed on D alot instead of on its heels.
We need a commander and chief on the sidelines with proven experience. Not sure if we find one crazy enough to take position without him demanding some type of control. I was a believer in Judge in the beginning. I was wrong. I dont think this organization can last the growing pains much longer with him.
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Post by Eazy E on Dec 6, 2021 14:40:47 GMT -5
I completely lost it how glennon was running down every damn play to the last second late in the game. The team looked totally disoriented. I understand we were down pivotal players but every damn play in crunch time. Thats inexcusable and on the coach to get that crap straight. That was embarrassing and doesnt happen with a well coached team.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 6, 2021 14:43:11 GMT -5
pretty good defense, horrible offense ... thats our identity for years
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 6, 2021 14:46:44 GMT -5
17 Rushes for a #2 pick
say it aint so Joe. But hey, to all the fans that wanted Saquon. Never speak bad about Gettleman or anyones sports opinions ever again
LMAO
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