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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 11, 2022 11:10:03 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Guys that will (or should) be cut are Kyle Rudolph (5mill savings) Riley dixon (3mill savings) and shep. Quick understanding on the finance stuff. If you Google any of those guys contracts then click on the spotrac link, then you will see a breakdown of their contract. In each year there will be a $$ value for dead cap space, that is the cap hit that the guy would have if he was cut or traded. There will also be a value for cap hit. You subtract those two to see how much space is created by cutting/trading that player. I'll use Kenny Golladay as an example. Link to his contract is here: www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/kenny-golladay-21838/So this upcoming season is 2022 and his cap hit is 21.15million, while his dead cap is 23.6million. So it would actually be more expensive this year for us to cut/trade him than it would be to keep him. Theres some details to that, but that will atleast let you evaluate the effects on the cap for this season Solder got to go too
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Post by presumablygunner on Jan 11, 2022 11:10:54 GMT -5
With all things being equal A 4 year $40mil contract signed in 2021, player plays the 2021 season, then cut/traded after the season: 2021 = Cap hit 2022 = Cap hit 2023 = No Cap hit 2024 = No Cap hit Simplest way to put it, Cap penalties only carry over to the next season then come off the books. depends how much us guaranteed. If you keep restructuring, like the Giants are, the guaranteed dollars are often pushed forward so you do get a cap hit later. From my understanding only if the player is still on the roster. If you cut/trade a player then the Cap hit only gets carried over into the following season one time.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 11, 2022 11:11:38 GMT -5
I think Bradbury and Shephard are gone. Blake likely gets restructured. Adoree Jackson stays Don't think Bradberry should go. We got nothing to replace him, nothing. A similar FA CB would be just as expensive if not more. I agree. I think our defense is actually pretty good. If we had a semi competent offense it would be more visible. The time of possession and constant bad field position while always playing from behind - they never stood a chance. Bradberry is still a very good DB
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Post by imgrate on Jan 11, 2022 11:13:10 GMT -5
Guys that will (or should) be cut are Kyle Rudolph (5mill savings) Riley dixon (3mill savings) and shep. Quick understanding on the finance stuff. If you Google any of those guys contracts then click on the spotrac link, then you will see a breakdown of their contract. In each year there will be a $$ value for dead cap space, that is the cap hit that the guy would have if he was cut or traded. There will also be a value for cap hit. You subtract those two to see how much space is created by cutting/trading that player. I'll use Kenny Golladay as an example. Link to his contract is here: www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/kenny-golladay-21838/So this upcoming season is 2022 and his cap hit is 21.15million, while his dead cap is 23.6million. So it would actually be more expensive this year for us to cut/trade him than it would be to keep him. Theres some details to that, but that will atleast let you evaluate the effects on the cap for this season Solder got to go too Solder a free agent. He's still going to cost us 4mill in dead cap tho in 2022....gettleman, the gift that keeps on giving
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 11, 2022 11:19:57 GMT -5
Solder a free agent. He's still going to cost us 4mill in dead cap tho in 2022....gettleman, the gift that keeps on giving Is he? I thought he has another year because he sat out for Covid last year. He wouldn't cost us dead cap if he is a free agent. That doesn't make sense
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Post by imgrate on Jan 11, 2022 12:11:51 GMT -5
Solder a free agent. He's still going to cost us 4mill in dead cap tho in 2022....gettleman, the gift that keeps on giving Is he? I thought he has another year because he sat out for Covid last year. He wouldn't cost us dead cap if he is a free agent. That doesn't make sense Yea i read it wrong. That said, he costs us 4million next year if keep him or cut him
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Post by Jomo on Jan 11, 2022 15:06:58 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it. Not a total expert on this stuff but I would guess that if we could find a taker for Golladay, we'd wind up eating a chunk of his salary but at least it would reduce the hit.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 11, 2022 15:56:49 GMT -5
Agree with Shep and Rudolph. As much as I like Shep, I think we've seen his last game in blue. I like Shep too. Hes got to go though. Not even a question I'm no doctor but I heard an achilles is harder to recover from than an ACL/MCL.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 11, 2022 16:03:35 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it. I get ur frustration. Golladay was a bad signing. But the fact he hasnt had a TD all season and the Giants WR corps in total has I think 7-8 TDs on the season reflects much worse on our slop of QBs. DJ is bad and Glennon and Fromm are worse. Golladay went from Stafford, a prolific QB to Daniel Jones. That's like going from a Ferrari to Ford Pinto. To use someone else's analogy Golladay increased his production this year. 300 yards last year with Detroit and 500 this year. Definitely a few plays that better QB play could have helped Golladay be more productive but just don't see it. Obviously not worth the huge cap hit...I'd be open to a trade if that could net us a lower cost alternative.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 11, 2022 16:05:07 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it. Not a total expert on this stuff but I would guess that if we could find a taker for Golladay, we'd wind up eating a chunk of his salary but at least it would reduce the hit. Nobody is going to do that, especially after he had such a down season. We are stuck with Golloday and his contract, the only option is to get him playing like he is capable of.
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Post by Giggles on Jan 11, 2022 16:07:36 GMT -5
They should be open to trading or cutting all of those players. Next year should be about ridding the cap of dead weight.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 11, 2022 16:11:05 GMT -5
They should be open to trading or cutting all of those players. Next year should be about ridding the cap of dead weight. Didn't you start a thread about quitting this team? And no you quit quitting?
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Post by Giggles on Jan 11, 2022 16:14:15 GMT -5
They should be open to trading or cutting all of those players. Next year should be about ridding the cap of dead weight. Didn't you start a thread about quitting this team? And no you quit quitting? I can't seem to stay away from this team, no matter how much pain it gives me.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 11, 2022 16:20:37 GMT -5
Didn't you start a thread about quitting this team? And no you quit quitting? I can't seem to stay away from this team, no matter how much pain it gives me. Every time one of my friends say they are going to stop drinking or eating fried foods, I tell them the same thing: God hates a quitter.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 11, 2022 17:29:55 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it. I'm not down on him yet. I still have hope. I'd like to see a regular offense and him utilized the way he should be. Guy is an imposter. Let him suck the life out of another organization.. He was brought in to be that guy, instead we got CJ Board.
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Post by dj44601 on Jan 12, 2022 14:27:41 GMT -5
By cutting Martinez,Dixon,Rudolph and Booker would save 18,775,000. We can get the replacements for them in the draft.
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Post by southerner on Jan 12, 2022 15:06:55 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Trade or cut them all this off-season and eat the dead money in 2022.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 12, 2022 15:13:17 GMT -5
By cutting Martinez,Dixon,Rudolph and Booker would save 18,775,000. We can get the replacements for them in the draft. When healthy, Martinez's production would be tough to replace. He was always around the ball and was a sure tackler. Not sure that's easy to replace in the draft. Have you done any draft research? Any idea if this class is strong at LB?
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