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Post by piddy283 on Jan 11, 2022 9:27:53 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez.
Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them?
I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 11, 2022 9:36:47 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Simplified, most contracts are split between salary and guaranteed money. If a player is cut or traded the salary no longer counts towards your cap, but whatever portion of the guaranteed money hasn’t been paid to the player gets applied towards your cap that year (most contracts spread out guaranteed money over the term of the contract). Golladay signed a $72 million 4 yr contract with $40 million guaranteed. Assuming the guaranteed money is split evenly over the 4 years (not necessarily true) if we traded him this year we wouldn’t have to pay the salary due this year, but all the unpaid guaranteed money ($30 million assumption) would be a cap penalty unavailable for use. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 11, 2022 9:43:41 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 11, 2022 9:55:09 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it. I would actually think about creating the cap room by kicking things down the road cap wise a few years to have enough to eat his dead money hit to trade him (I think we could get a 3rd or 4th) ....and use one of our 3rds for a WR......(probably a sweet spot for WR yet again).. Remember.. One of Lobstah Boys's legacies... Passing on AJ Brown or McLaren in 2019 ...... then paying this wish version of Brown because Mara told him in effect we need weapons because he ignored even a mid round pick every year except for Slayton... |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 11, 2022 10:03:40 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it. I would actually think about creating the cap room by kicking things down the road cap wise a few years to have enough to eat his dead money hit to trade him (I think we could get a 3rd or 4th) ....and use one of our 3rds for a WR......(probably a sweet spot for WR yet again).. Remember.. One of Lobstah Boys's legacies... Passing on AJ Brown or McLaren in 2019 ...... then paying this wish version of Brown because Mara told him in effect we need weapons because he ignored even a mid round pick every year except for Slayton... I know Gettleman was the GM but whatever he did with contracts had to be done with the owners approval, wouldn't you think? |
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 11, 2022 10:04:52 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Simplified, most contracts are split between salary and guaranteed money. If a player is cut or traded the salary no longer counts towards your cap, but whatever portion of the guaranteed money hasn’t been paid to the player gets applied towards your cap that year (most contracts spread out guaranteed money over the term of the contract). Golladay signed a $72 million 4 yr contract with $40 million guaranteed. Assuming the guaranteed money is split evenly over the 4 years (not necessarily true) if we traded him this year we wouldn’t have to pay the salary due this year, but all the unpaid guaranteed money ($30 million assumption) would be a cap penalty unavailable for use. Appreciate the info. When you say "unavailable for use," does that mean it would do us no good to trade/cut someone like Golladay? Or is that a penalty that simply impacts Mara's pockets and not the cap space? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 11, 2022 10:05:24 GMT -5
I would actually think about creating the cap room by kicking things down the road cap wise a few years to have enough to eat his dead money hit to trade him (I think we could get a 3rd or 4th) ....and use one of our 3rds for a WR......(probably a sweet spot for WR yet again).. Remember.. One of Lobstah Boys's legacies... Passing on AJ Brown or McLaren in 2019 ...... then paying this wish version of Brown because Mara told him in effect we need weapons because he ignored even a mid round pick every year except for Slayton... I know Gettleman was the GM but whatever he did with contracts had to be done with the owners approval, wouldn't you think? When your owner publicly says we need weapons (because you ignorantly ignored anything but Slayton) and gives you a blank check book this is what happens so yes Mara was on board |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 11, 2022 10:11:00 GMT -5
I know Gettleman was the GM but whatever he did with contracts had to be done with the owners approval, wouldn't you think? When your owner publicly says we need weapons (because you ignorantly ignored anything but Slayton) and gives you a blank check book this is what happens so yes Mara was on board Mara seems to be the type of person who will be on board with something until it goes wrong and then he will step back and let some one else take the heat, just my personal observation of the man.... |
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Post by bizcliz on Jan 11, 2022 10:13:52 GMT -5
Yeah I wouldn't really touch any of those contracts. Only move I'm like gung-ho about is cutting Riley Dixon. We ideally aren't using FA for anything but backfilling the punter position and picking up depth spots.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 11, 2022 10:21:27 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Giants have no choice to restructure those contracts to push dollars to 2023. This is where that stupid SI article some refer to didn’t make any sense as the lazy writer simply looked at the 2023 space and drew a lazy conclusion the cap was healthy. Those 2022 dollars have to be pushed to 2023 plus to field a 2022 team. |
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 11, 2022 10:22:17 GMT -5
Simplified, most contracts are split between salary and guaranteed money. If a player is cut or traded the salary no longer counts towards your cap, but whatever portion of the guaranteed money hasn’t been paid to the player gets applied towards your cap that year (most contracts spread out guaranteed money over the term of the contract). Golladay signed a $72 million 4 yr contract with $40 million guaranteed. Assuming the guaranteed money is split evenly over the 4 years (not necessarily true) if we traded him this year we wouldn’t have to pay the salary due this year, but all the unpaid guaranteed money ($30 million assumption) would be a cap penalty unavailable for use. Appreciate the info. When you say "unavailable for use," does that mean it would do us no good to trade/cut someone like Golladay? Or is that a penalty that simply impacts Mara's pockets and not the cap space? It impacts cap space available for signings. So these big contracts are usually easy to dump in the last couple years because most of the guaranteed money is paid, but results in huge dead cap space when you try and trade or cut early on. Coaches are off the cap grid and all their contract money is guaranteed. So if Judge is fired and another coach hired it means Mara (franchise) is paying for 3 coaches this year (Shurmer, Judge, and the new guy). |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 11, 2022 10:25:44 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Releasing Shepard and Rudolph give you about $14M right there. They are likely going to restructure or cut Martinez, possibly Bradberry. We don't need to address Golloday's contract yet. The Giants will have room to operate this year and gain a lot more room next year when the cap increases significantly. |
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 11, 2022 10:29:31 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it. I would actually think about creating the cap room by kicking things down the road cap wise a few years to have enough to eat his dead money hit to trade him (I think we could get a 3rd or 4th) ....and use one of our 3rds for a WR......(probably a sweet spot for WR yet again).. Remember.. One of Lobstah Boys's legacies... Passing on AJ Brown or McLaren in 2019 ...... then paying this wish version of Brown because Mara told him in effect we need weapons because he ignored even a mid round pick every year except for Slayton... I've always been under the impression kicking things down the road simply delays the inevitable and isn't a good model long term. Either way, I'd take a 3rd round pick for KG right now and run with it. Still can't believe we paid what we paid for him coming off an injury. |
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 11, 2022 10:31:16 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Releasing Shepard and Rudolph give you about $14M right there. They are likely going to restructure or cut Martinez, possibly Bradberry. We don't need to address Golloday's contract yet. Agree with Shep and Rudolph. As much as I like Shep, I think we've seen his last game in blue. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 11, 2022 10:31:36 GMT -5
Yeah I wouldn't really touch any of those contracts. Only move I'm like gung-ho about is cutting Riley Dixon. We ideally aren't using FA for anything but backfilling the punter position and picking up depth spots. When you look at his cost per punt 40 thousand. He is cheap . The rams paid 75 thousand a punt. The problem is not the punter or his contract. It is he is on the field too much |
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Post by Modog on Jan 11, 2022 10:39:54 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it. I get ur frustration. Golladay was a bad signing. But the fact he hasnt had a TD all season and the Giants WR corps in total has I think 7-8 TDs on the season reflects much worse on our slop of QBs. DJ is bad and Glennon and Fromm are worse. Golladay went from Stafford, a prolific QB to Daniel Jones. That's like going from a Ferrari to Ford Pinto. To use someone else's analogy |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 11, 2022 10:40:49 GMT -5
I would actually think about creating the cap room by kicking things down the road cap wise a few years to have enough to eat his dead money hit to trade him (I think we could get a 3rd or 4th) ....and use one of our 3rds for a WR......(probably a sweet spot for WR yet again).. Remember.. One of Lobstah Boys's legacies... Passing on AJ Brown or McLaren in 2019 ...... then paying this wish version of Brown because Mara told him in effect we need weapons because he ignored even a mid round pick every year except for Slayton... I've always been under the impression kicking things down the road simply delays the inevitable and isn't a good model long term.
Either way, I'd take a 3rd round pick for KG right now and run with it. Still can't believe we paid what we paid for him coming off an injury. It's what every team does. The idea is to spread out the money, so you don't take a steep hit in any one season. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 11, 2022 10:41:51 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Hi piddy, I am right with you on liking the 4 players except for Goladay. We at the very least need to restructure Goladays cap hit. If we could trade him I would do it. Maybe we could include him with a draft choice for a better draft choice. Addition by subtraction. I really thought as a big physical receiver he was going to be much better. Not re signing Solder and making Shepard a June 1st cut saves us more money this way for some reason. Between them we save around 15-20 mil. I don't want to get rid of any of the others. If we could reconstructure the contracts of the other 4 especially Martinez and Bradberry I think this is going to be necessary. IMO we cannot get rid of any talent whatsoever on this team. |
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Post by Modog on Jan 11, 2022 10:42:17 GMT -5
I think Bradbury and Shephard are gone. Blake likely gets restructured. Adoree Jackson stays
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Post by bizcliz on Jan 11, 2022 10:44:10 GMT -5
Yeah I wouldn't really touch any of those contracts. Only move I'm like gung-ho about is cutting Riley Dixon. We ideally aren't using FA for anything but backfilling the punter position and picking up depth spots. When you look at his cost per punt 40 thousand. He is cheap . The rams paid 75 thousand a punt. The problem is not the punter or his contract. It is he is on the field too much We're paying a punter 3mm a year for bottom half yards per punt and someone who is like top quarter in touchbacks I dont care how much he's paid "per punt", it's still a gross overpay for a below average punter |
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Post by imgrate on Jan 11, 2022 10:45:38 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Guys that will (or should) be cut are Kyle Rudolph (5mill savings) Riley dixon (3mill savings) and shep. Quick understanding on the finance stuff. If you Google any of those guys contracts then click on the spotrac link, then you will see a breakdown of their contract. In each year there will be a $$ value for dead cap space, that is the cap hit that the guy would have if he was cut or traded. There will also be a value for cap hit. You subtract those two to see how much space is created by cutting/trading that player. I'll use Kenny Golladay as an example. Link to his contract is here: www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/kenny-golladay-21838/So this upcoming season is 2022 and his cap hit is 21.15million, while his dead cap is 23.6million. So it would actually be more expensive this year for us to cut/trade him than it would be to keep him. Theres some details to that, but that will atleast let you evaluate the effects on the cap for this season |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 11, 2022 10:49:04 GMT -5
I think Bradbury and Shephard are gone. Blake likely gets restructured. Adoree Jackson stays Don't think Bradberry should go. We got nothing to replace him, nothing. A similar FA CB would be just as expensive if not more. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 11, 2022 10:50:32 GMT -5
When you look at his cost per punt 40 thousand. He is cheap . The rams paid 75 thousand a punt. The problem is not the punter or his contract. It is he is on the field too much We're paying a punter 3mm a year for bottom half yards per punt and someone who is like top quarter in touchbacks I dont care how much he's paid "per punt", it's still a gross overpay for a below average punter It is because he is on the field too much. He is not the or a problem. He is a symptom of the problem. The punter is the only player on the field that is a stop gap. He does not contribute to scoring points or defend from scoring points. When he is on the field the only thing that it states is someone F-ed up. |
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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 11, 2022 10:54:49 GMT -5
It was a win now ( save Jones ) season and lots of money was put into the effort. It all looked good on paper, and we all thought this was going to be a good year! But what was on the paper didn't happen on the field! So now we are behind the 8-ball money wise! Gettlemans plan failed horribly! Sell the high money players and start over! It will be years before we are relevant again! We should get something for Barkley. Worst pick he made! Watching Fromm and Gannon, Jones doesn't look so bad, but that isn't saying much! Jones has the arm, but not the QB instincts a starting QB needs. Hope one is in the draft!
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 11, 2022 10:58:12 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. Guys that will (or should) be cut are Kyle Rudolph (5mill savings) Riley dixon (3mill savings) and shep. Quick understanding on the finance stuff. If you Google any of those guys contracts then click on the spotrac link, then you will see a breakdown of their contract. In each year there will be a $$ value for dead cap space, that is the cap hit that the guy would have if he was cut or traded. There will also be a value for cap hit. You subtract those two to see how much space is created by cutting/trading that player. I'll use Kenny Golladay as an example. Link to his contract is here: www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/kenny-golladay-21838/So this upcoming season is 2022 and his cap hit is 21.15million, while his dead cap is 23.6million. So it would actually be more expensive this year for us to cut/trade him than it would be to keep him. Theres some details to that, but that will atleast let you evaluate the effects on the cap for this season Awesome, much appreciated! |
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Post by presumablygunner on Jan 11, 2022 11:01:25 GMT -5
With all things being equal
A 4 year $40mil contract signed in 2021, player plays the 2021 season, then cut/traded after the season:
2021 = Cap hit
2022 = Cap hit
2023 = No Cap hit
2024 = No Cap hit
Simplest way to put it, Cap penalties only carry over to the next season then come off the books.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 11, 2022 11:03:40 GMT -5
I would trade Golladay for a bag of dirt. He’s a useless player, who only showed up when Matthew Stafford was his quarterback. It’s unforgivable how he gave the weakest attempt ever on a pass. I’m sure if that was a wad of money he would have dived and ate the turf to catch it. I'm not down on him yet. I still have hope. I'd like to see a regular offense and him utilized the way he should be. |
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 11, 2022 11:06:46 GMT -5
Releasing Shepard and Rudolph give you about $14M right there. They are likely going to restructure or cut Martinez, possibly Bradberry. We don't need to address Golloday's contract yet. Agree with Shep and Rudolph. As much as I like Shep, I think we've seen his last game in blue. I like Shep too. Hes got to go though. Not even a question |
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 11, 2022 11:08:36 GMT -5
With all things being equal A 4 year $40mil contract signed in 2021, player plays the 2021 season, then cut/traded after the season: 2021 = Cap hit 2022 = Cap hit 2023 = No Cap hit 2024 = No Cap hit Simplest way to put it, Cap penalties only carry over to the next season then come off the books. depends how much us guaranteed. If you keep restructuring, like the Giants are, the guaranteed dollars are often pushed forward so you do get a cap hit later. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 11, 2022 11:09:10 GMT -5
Listening to Patricia Traina's podcast and she mentioned the fact 5 players make up roughly 50% of our salary cap in 2022......Bradberry, A. Jackson, K. Golladay, Williams, and Martinez. Besides Golladay, I'm a fan of all of these players. However, with us being in the situation we're in, is it possible we consider trading some of them? Would we still be on the hook for any of the contract if we do trade? What if we outright cut some of them? I'm not a cap guy at all, but we're in a bad spot going into 2022 financially. I remember having a discussion with Rangers13 last year and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about the finance side of things. If anyone has insight I'd be interested to understand if/what options we may have to create some breathing room. I just read an article don't remember the author but he said I believe if they cut bait with Bradberry Martinez and Rudolph maybe 1 more they would be 30 mill under the cap with 20 mill dead money this year. To me dead money means nothing it's not my money or any fans the cap saving is all I care about. As A NEW gm you can get away with this just better be able to draft the mid rounds Jackson was our best corner most of the year so draft another outside kid draft a ILB and TE and get on with more youth movement. Think Shep was the 4th. |
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