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Post by southerner on Jan 11, 2022 20:10:33 GMT -5
Finally, it is time to blow this disaster up. This off-season the new GM and HC will build up the offensive line and other areas…..in other words another year with Jones and Saquon…..their last years as Giants. The Giants might draft a RB on day 2 of the draft this year, but probably won’t. There is no reason to draft a QB until a reasonable Oline is in place. In three years time there will be very few faces on the team that are on it now. When Dick Vermeil took over the Rams, they sucked. He won a Super Bowl in his third year as coach……there were only 5 players on the Super Bowl team that were Rams when he took over.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 11, 2022 20:13:45 GMT -5
They just did.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 11, 2022 20:17:02 GMT -5
The new general manager will have no ties with any of the players on the roster. They’re all on borrowed time right now.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 11, 2022 20:25:05 GMT -5
The new general manager will have no ties with any of the players on the roster. They’re all on borrowed time right now. I honestly wouldn't mind if both GM/HC get 5 year deals,2022 being a total mulligan record wise if they were allowed to do a complete moneyball type nuke job on the contracts ...(basically create enough cap space to absorb dead money hits on players like Golladay) |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 11, 2022 20:31:15 GMT -5
Blow it all up....
...except Andrew Thomas, Azeez Ojulari, Xavier McKinney.
Notice something there?
Georgia and Alabama.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 11, 2022 21:21:02 GMT -5
Blow it all up.... ...except Andrew Thomas, Azeez Ojulari, Xavier McKinney. Notice something there? Georgia and Alabama. You want to get rid of talented players like Ryan, Williams, Bradberry, Booker? Are we trying to lose next year? These players stand to benefit the most from a coach who doesn't come from the Mickey Mouse league. Their leadership and presence will be crucial to the success of a new regime. We should find 10 more players like Leonard Williams. |
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Post by Jomo on Jan 11, 2022 21:23:44 GMT -5
You need to have something in order to blow it up, don't you?
We don't have anything to blow up.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 11, 2022 21:24:20 GMT -5
Blow it all up.... ...except Andrew Thomas, Azeez Ojulari, Xavier McKinney. Notice something there? Georgia and Alabama. You want to get rid of talented players like Ryan, Williams, Bradberry, Booker? Are we trying to lose next year? These players stand to benefit the most from a coach who doesn't come from the Mickey Mouse league. Their leadership and presence will be crucial to the success of a new regime. We should find 10 more players like Leonard Williams. Yes. 2022 is already a 4-6 win season at best. If we can unload the contracts I'm all for it. It's full on start from scratch rebuild time. Ryan and Booker? Easily replaceable. Willaims and Bradberry have talent but are too expensive and won't be here by the time we are ready. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 11, 2022 21:29:59 GMT -5
a real foundation has to be constructed
a solid method and process has to be developed going forward and for the years to come
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Post by McCherry on Jan 11, 2022 21:45:09 GMT -5
You want to get rid of talented players like Ryan, Williams, Bradberry, Booker? Are we trying to lose next year? These players stand to benefit the most from a coach who doesn't come from the Mickey Mouse league. Their leadership and presence will be crucial to the success of a new regime. We should find 10 more players like Leonard Williams. If we can unload the contracts I'm all for it. It's full on start from scratch rebuild time. Ryan and Booker? Easily replaceable. Willaims and Bradberry have talent but are too expensive and won't be here by the time we are ready. That would mean all the firings were for nothing. Now that we’ve gotten rid of the two biggest problems, there is no reason we can't be a good, competitive team next year. Good coaches and good GM's win, if we find them. |
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Post by redeyejedi on Jan 11, 2022 22:30:00 GMT -5
Yes. 2022 is already a 4-6 win season at best. If we can unload the contracts I'm all for it. It's full on start from scratch rebuild time. Ryan and Booker? Easily replaceable. Willaims and Bradberry have talent but are too expensive and won't be here by the time we are ready. That would mean all the firings were for nothing. Now that we’ve gotten rid of the two biggest problems, there is no reason we can't be a good, competitive team next year. Good coaches and good GM's win, if we find them. The roster sucks and there is no cap space. Next season is a lost year. Its about 2023 now |
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 12, 2022 0:07:41 GMT -5
You want to get rid of talented players like Ryan, Williams, Bradberry, Booker? Are we trying to lose next year? These players stand to benefit the most from a coach who doesn't come from the Mickey Mouse league. Their leadership and presence will be crucial to the success of a new regime. We should find 10 more players like Leonard Williams. Yes. 2022 is already a 4-6 win season at best. If we can unload the contracts I'm all for it. It's full on start from scratch rebuild time. Ryan and Booker? Easily replaceable. Willaims and Bradberry have talent but are too expensive and won't be here by the time we are ready. Your right. Next year is gonna be a punt year either way. Cut Ryan now and it’s over 11 million dead cap. For less than 1 million in savings. Cut him this time next year and it’s less than 3. Cut Bradberry now and it’s almost 10 million in dead cap. Cut him next year and it’s 1.3 million in restructure. He’s trade bait next season. Cut Williams now and it’s 35 (!!) million in dead cap. Cut him next year and it’s just over 8 million. Also a trade candidate. I don’t see any reason to eat 25% of the cap, get nothing in return, and completely destroy the only decent units on the team. Reset is what is needed, it’s what we’re gonna get, but lets not be rash and reactionary. |
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Post by ocgiant on Jan 12, 2022 0:29:16 GMT -5
Unless the is divine intervention
This is now another 2-3 year rebuild minimum, maybe longer...
Still I am optimistic that the right GM with control gets hired and then at least I can watch as the org builds the right way instead of the shit show of the last 5 years
Sounds horrible but this looks to be the 5 years wasted plus the above so it is 7 to 8 years to become relevant again or above .500 God help us.
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Post by southerner on Jan 12, 2022 3:17:46 GMT -5
Blow it all up.... ...except Andrew Thomas, Azeez Ojulari, Xavier McKinney. Notice something there? Georgia and Alabama. You want to get rid of talented players like Ryan, Williams, Bradberry, Booker? Are we trying to lose next year? These players stand to benefit the most from a coach who doesn't come from the Mickey Mouse league. Their leadership and presence will be crucial to the success of a new regime. We should find 10 more players like Leonard Williams. They are going to lose next year anyway…..dump the high price vets and clear the decks for 2023 and beyond……anyone over 25 should be traded or released if possible. Saquon, DJ, Golladay, etc. have one more year as Giants at the most….if they can be traded for value this off-season, do it. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 12, 2022 6:20:54 GMT -5
Yes. 2022 is already a 4-6 win season at best. If we can unload the contracts I'm all for it. It's full on start from scratch rebuild time. Ryan and Booker? Easily replaceable. Willaims and Bradberry have talent but are too expensive and won't be here by the time we are ready. Your right. Next year is gonna be a punt year either way. Cut Ryan now and it’s over 11 million dead cap. For less than 1 million in savings. Cut him this time next year and it’s less than 3. Cut Bradberry now and it’s almost 10 million in dead cap. Cut him next year and it’s 1.3 million in restructure. He’s trade bait next season. Cut Williams now and it’s 35 (!!) million in dead cap. Cut him next year and it’s just over 8 million. Also a trade candidate. I don’t see any reason to eat 25% of the cap, get nothing in return, and completely destroy the only decent units on the team. Reset is what is needed, it’s what we’re gonna get, but lets not be rash and reactionary. Of course it has to be financially possible. DG screwed us with some of these contracts on his way out the door. I didn't mean just cut them all anyways. I'm saying, move on from them as soon as we can because they won't be part of the future here anyway. If they can't yet, wait till they can. It can't all be done in 1 off season. The new GM will have his hands tied in 2022 because of DG. |
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Post by southerner on Jan 12, 2022 8:31:42 GMT -5
When the new GM and his choice for HC are presented to the public, they should make it clear that this is a total rebuild and 2022 will NOT be a good year as the team eats dead money as they dump overpaid veterans and trade away older players……just be straight-forward and honest about it and the fans will not like it, but they will understand.
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 12, 2022 12:03:29 GMT -5
Just messing around with the calculator:
Restructure Bradberry
Restructure Jackson
Cut Solder
Cut Rudolph
Cut Shep
Cut Ryan
Cut Booker
And you get 25 million in cap space.
Cut Golladay in 2023 and that years cap space goes to 120 million…
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