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Post by PennState1 on Jan 22, 2022 17:39:24 GMT -5
Is the one our GM wants. He should know better than everyone on social media combined, all football fans put together and all media put together. Oh yeah, also better than Giant ownership.
He is the person whose career rests on the decision so let him pick his team.
If he likes Daboll, and he certainly has the most insight on him, I’d be excited because I assume he played a big role in helping develop Josh Allen and the terrific offense around him.
Developing a young QB will be important for our Gmen as well so I’m sure he will make a great choice.
Whoever he picks, I’ll be excited!
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Post by Jomo on Jan 22, 2022 17:52:29 GMT -5
Is the one our GM wants. He should know better than everyone on social media combined, all football fans put together and all media put together. Oh yeah, also better than Giant ownership. He is the person whose career rests on the decision so let him pick his team. If he likes Daboll, and he certainly has the most insight on him, I’d be excited because I assume he played a big role in helping develop Josh Allen and the terrific offense around him. Developing a young QB will be important for our Gmen as well so I’m sure he will make a great choice. Whoever he picks, I’ll be excited! Agreed, I said in an earlier post that if JM can't wholeheartedly endorse Schoen's selection of HC, then he picked the wrong GM.
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Post by PennState1 on Jan 22, 2022 21:12:34 GMT -5
Is the one our GM wants. He should know better than everyone on social media combined, all football fans put together and all media put together. Oh yeah, also better than Giant ownership. He is the person whose career rests on the decision so let him pick his team. If he likes Daboll, and he certainly has the most insight on him, I’d be excited because I assume he played a big role in helping develop Josh Allen and the terrific offense around him. Developing a young QB will be important for our Gmen as well so I’m sure he will make a great choice. Whoever he picks, I’ll be excited! Agreed, I said in an earlier post that if JM can't wholeheartedly endorse Schoen's selection of HC, then he picked the wrong GM. Absolutely
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 22, 2022 23:20:06 GMT -5
Is the one our GM wants. He should know better than everyone on social media combined, all football fans put together and all media put together. Oh yeah, also better than Giant ownership. He is the person whose career rests on the decision so let him pick his team. If he likes Daboll, and he certainly has the most insight on him, I’d be excited because I assume he played a big role in helping develop Josh Allen and the terrific offense around him. Developing a young QB will be important for our Gmen as well so I’m sure he will make a great choice. Whoever he picks, I’ll be excited! I can agree with that. I got a preference but as long as it is Schoen's decision without John or Chris meddling to much (you know they have their opinions) Ill be fine with whoever the GM decides
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Post by TEM on Jan 23, 2022 8:19:10 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Daboll As OC with KC in 2012 with Matt Cassel 2-12 17 total TDs' Cassel went 10-6 2 years earlier. As OC with Miami in 2011 with Young QBs Chad Henne and Matt More.6-10 As OC with The Browns In 2009,10, 5-11 both years with Young QBs Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy
In those 5 years as an OC with Young QBs 18-44
What guy is he? The last 3 years with the bills or , the 24-54 OC he was before the Bills winning streak?
Me IMO: We picked the wrong GM in Schoen. If he is hiring his buddies and not their credentials.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 23, 2022 8:21:46 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Daboll As OC with KC in 2012 with Matt Cassel 2-12 17 total TDs' Cassel went 10-6 2 years earlier. As OC with Miami in 2011 with Young QBs Chad Henne and Matt More.6-10 As OC with The Browns In 2009,10, 5-11 both years with Young QBs Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy In those 5 years as an OC with Young QBs 18-44 What guy is he? The last 3 years with the bills or , the 24-54 OC he was before the Bills winning streak? Me IMO: We picked the wrong GM in Schoen. If he is hiring his buddies and not their credentials. perhaps he learned a thing or two in the ensuing decade from your examples? I'm not going to fret about the head coach choice until I have to...
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Post by TEM on Jan 23, 2022 8:28:56 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Daboll As OC with KC in 2012 with Matt Cassel 2-12 17 total TDs' Cassel went 10-6 2 years earlier. As OC with Miami in 2011 with Young QBs Chad Henne and Matt More.6-10 As OC with The Browns In 2009,10, 5-11 both years with Young QBs Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy In those 5 years as an OC with Young QBs 18-44 What guy is he? The last 3 years with the bills or , the 24-54 OC he was before the Bills winning streak? Me IMO: We picked the wrong GM in Schoen. If he is hiring his buddies and not their credentials. perhaps he learned a thing or two in the ensuing decade from your examples? I'm not going to fret about the head coach choice until I have to... I am not either. I am always seceptical. I am just showing his resume. I have no problem with him (Schoen) hiring on merit base. If he does not. That will be exposed with the under qualified creating chaos.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 23, 2022 8:37:51 GMT -5
perhaps he learned a thing or two in the ensuing decade from your examples? I'm not going to fret about the head coach choice until I have to... I am not either. I am always seceptical. I am just showing his resume. I have no problem with him hiring on merit base. If he does not. That will be exposed with the under qualified creating chaos. who would you be the least skeptical of? Daboll's resume is littered with QBs that never made it anywhere. I'd be more concerned f he was successful in the past and not recently. With that said I have given up on speculating or "guessing" on whether or not a HC, GM, OC etc will be good or bad.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 23, 2022 8:43:18 GMT -5
This might sound crazy, but I almost wish Joe Judge hadn't been our HC the last two years and was interviewing with us for the first time this go around. We're finally building from the ground up, and by all accounts Schoen has been given free rein to do things his way. I think Joe would've been better off if his first opportunity was with an organization that didn't force his hand and was more forward thinking.
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Post by TEM on Jan 23, 2022 8:59:06 GMT -5
I am not either. I am always seceptical. I am just showing his resume. I have no problem with him hiring on merit base. If he does not. That will be exposed with the under qualified creating chaos. who would you be the least skeptical of? Daboll's resume is littered with QBs that never made it anywhere. I'd be more concerned f he was successful in the past and not recently. With that said I have given up on speculating or "guessing" on whether or not a HC, GM, OC etc will be good or bad. I am seceptical of all candidates . If you are talking about comfortable. Quinn, Frazier. Zimmer. They are all disciplined in Defense and have been HCs. So we won't have to worry about having an HC that wants to call offensive plays. Some can get away with it. Most can't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 9:05:58 GMT -5
I am not either. I am always seceptical. I am just showing his resume. I have no problem with him hiring on merit base. If he does not. That will be exposed with the under qualified creating chaos. who would you be the least skeptical of? Daboll's resume is littered with QBs that never made it anywhere. I'd be more concerned f he was successful in the past and not recently. With that said I have given up on speculating or "guessing" on whether or not a HC, GM, OC etc will be good or bad. Same here...and that's been since the firing. I can't pretend to know much of anything but what I reads on any of these unknowns...only man with a lot of NFL success as a coach is deciding and doing Wolverines as of now. Whomever it is, he has a 3 year time frame to show improvement...fans can not allow the last 10 years to call for a 2 year window again. These guys get 3 to 5...and if improvement shown and playoffs in year 2, a 50 year contract extension. Tough sport...Packers ready to send Rodgers packing...if we could only have a QB like him, and be complaining about lost playoff games.....
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 23, 2022 9:14:22 GMT -5
With Mcvay,Shanahan and Lefleur having so much success is there anyone in that that group's hires that could be our next coach?
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Post by GameTime on Jan 23, 2022 9:20:37 GMT -5
who would you be the least skeptical of? Daboll's resume is littered with QBs that never made it anywhere. I'd be more concerned f he was successful in the past and not recently. With that said I have given up on speculating or "guessing" on whether or not a HC, GM, OC etc will be good or bad. Same here...and that's been since the firing. I can't pretend to know much of anything but what I reads on any of these unknowns...only man with a lot of NFL success as a coach is deciding and doing Wolverines as of now. Whomever it is, he has a 3 year time frame to show improvement...fans can not allow the last 10 years to call for a 2 year window again. These guys get 3 to 5...and if improvement shown and playoffs in year 2, a 50 year contract extension. Tough sport...Packers ready to send Rodgers packing...if we could only have a QB like him, and be complaining about lost playoff games..... yep.....not a fan of Harbaugh either. I think he's a total flake. he hash ad success thats for sure but still not a fan.
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Post by miss86 on Jan 23, 2022 22:59:52 GMT -5
This might sound crazy, but I almost wish Joe Judge hadn't been our HC the last two years and was interviewing with us for the first time this go around. We're finally building from the ground up, and by all accounts Schoen has been given free rein to do things his way. I think Joe would've been better off if his first opportunity was with an organization that didn't force his hand and was more forward thinking. No. Maybe if he was an OC/DC for the last 2 years before interviewing for the Giant's HC job, than I could maybe think he had a shot of being somewhat ready (but then again nope). But JJ, I think, ruined our QB with his incompetence. I just don't see HIS coaching or the coaching staff that HE chose elevate a losing team to a winning team. I just didn't/don't see it. I never liked the hire in the 1st place. I thought is was a REACH for a team on the down slide. Nope. No way.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 23, 2022 23:02:34 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Daboll As OC with KC in 2012 with Matt Cassel 2-12 17 total TDs' Cassel went 10-6 2 years earlier. As OC with Miami in 2011 with Young QBs Chad Henne and Matt More.6-10 As OC with The Browns In 2009,10, 5-11 both years with Young QBs Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy In those 5 years as an OC with Young QBs 18-44 What guy is he? The last 3 years with the bills or , the 24-54 OC he was before the Bills winning streak? Me IMO: We picked the wrong GM in Schoen. If he is hiring his buddies and not their credentials. Party pooper. Every party has one.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Jan 23, 2022 23:39:37 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Daboll As OC with KC in 2012 with Matt Cassel 2-12 17 total TDs' Cassel went 10-6 2 years earlier. As OC with Miami in 2011 with Young QBs Chad Henne and Matt More.6-10 As OC with The Browns In 2009,10, 5-11 both years with Young QBs Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy In those 5 years as an OC with Young QBs 18-44 What guy is he? The last 3 years with the bills or , the 24-54 OC he was before the Bills winning streak? Me IMO: We picked the wrong GM in Schoen. If he is hiring his buddies and not their credentials. i have that same concern as well and someone pointed that out on facebook the other day as to his credentials/ stats so to speak while with the other teams. Was it you lol? I'd almost want to take a chance on Flores because we know the team will get right and be disciplined/fight, ect......
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 24, 2022 0:41:58 GMT -5
Is the one our GM wants. He should know better than everyone on social media combined, all football fans put together and all media put together. Oh yeah, also better than Giant ownership. He is the person whose career rests on the decision so let him pick his team. If he likes Daboll, and he certainly has the most insight on him, I’d be excited because I assume he played a big role in helping develop Josh Allen and the terrific offense around him. Developing a young QB will be important for our Gmen as well so I’m sure he will make a great choice. Whoever he picks, I’ll be excited! I agree with all of this.
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Post by TEM on Jan 24, 2022 5:03:57 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Daboll As OC with KC in 2012 with Matt Cassel 2-12 17 total TDs' Cassel went 10-6 2 years earlier. As OC with Miami in 2011 with Young QBs Chad Henne and Matt More.6-10 As OC with The Browns In 2009,10, 5-11 both years with Young QBs Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy In those 5 years as an OC with Young QBs 18-44 What guy is he? The last 3 years with the bills or , the 24-54 OC he was before the Bills winning streak? Me IMO: We picked the wrong GM in Schoen. If he is hiring his buddies and not their credentials. i have that same concern as well and someone pointed that out on facebook the other day as to his credentials/ stats so to speak while with the other teams. Was it you lol? I'd almost want to take a chance on Flores because we know the team will get right and be disciplined/fight, ect...... Flores has his issues also. To me he cannot handle anyone telling him the way it is. His under .500 record is a direct result of it. He changed his entire offensive staff all three years he was in Miami. 2819 Offensive Coordinator – Chad O'Shea Assistant Quarterbacks – Jerry Schuplinski Running Backs – Eric Studesville Wide Receivers – Karl Dorrell Tight Ends – George Godsey Offensive Line – Dave DeGuglielmo Offensive Line - Pat Flaherty 2020 Offensive Coordinator – Chan Gailey Quarterbacks – Robby Brown Running Backs – Eric Studesville Wide Receivers – Josh Grizzard Tight Ends – George Godsey Offensive Line – Steve Marshall Assistant Offensive Line – Lemuel Jeanpierre Quality Control – Kolby Smith 2021 Co-offensive coordinator/running backs – Eric Studesville Co-offensive coordinator/tight ends – George Godsey Quarterbacks – Charlie Frye Wide receivers – Josh Grizzard Assistant tight ends – Mike Judge Offensive line – Lemuel Jeanpierre Assistant offensive line – Shawn Flaherty Quality control – Jordan Salkin Quality control – Kolby Smith It impossible to win with those constraints the HC places on his offensive players. This year he had a tandom as OCs . What was that for? No wonder Tua looked confused at times. If this is not proof that Flores has issues. This guy is not changing his chaos creating methodology. Steve Ross was 100% correct in showing him the door.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 24, 2022 5:52:13 GMT -5
Not going to be excited about any of these hires until I start seeing wins.
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Post by vinnie on Jan 24, 2022 5:57:23 GMT -5
I wanted Daboll but at this point I really don’t care. We can pick apart any HC’s resume (minus Harbaugh) and find flaws. Just get it done!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 6:06:33 GMT -5
Not going to be excited about any of these hires until I start seeing wins. This/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 7:28:45 GMT -5
Not going to be excited about any of these hires until I start seeing wins. End of discussion.. LOL
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 24, 2022 8:50:53 GMT -5
everyones looking at just Daboll's track record as the offensive coordinator. but thats not what we're hiring him for. Perhaps he'll make a better head coach....
I now we always think, oh, a good coordinator doesnt always make a good HC, but maybe in this case he's actually better suited for HC, but who knows....
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Post by jaymas on Jan 24, 2022 8:58:03 GMT -5
Love how Daboll gets discredited for teams he worked as OC on a decade or more ago on and his QBs were Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Moore, Matt Cassel, and late-career Chad Pennington, but a raw Josh Allen developing into one of the league's best QBs under Daboll and him finally having the talent to run an offense of his design is somehow not due to him?
Also his adjustments after going to the college game are pretty easy to see.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 24, 2022 9:03:34 GMT -5
everyones looking at just Daboll's track record as the offensive coordinator. but thats not what we're hiring him for. Perhaps he'll make a better head coach.... I now we always think, oh, a good coordinator doesnt always make a good HC, but maybe in this case he's actually better suited for HC, but who knows.... Exactly. Pat Shurmur was OC of the year before he joined us. Doesn't necessarily translate into being a good HC
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 9:34:53 GMT -5
This might sound crazy, but I almost wish Joe Judge hadn't been our HC the last two years and was interviewing with us for the first time this go around. We're finally building from the ground up, and by all accounts Schoen has been given free rein to do things his way. I think Joe would've been better off if his first opportunity was with an organization that didn't force his hand and was more forward thinking. every coach we’ve had would have been better off. Beyond Eli though, i don’t believe any hand was forced. Gettleman just sucked.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 24, 2022 10:51:17 GMT -5
I'll say this..... I don't know Brian Daboll at all. The only thing I know is that he is the OC of the Bills. We've hired the "hot coordinator" in the past. It doesn't always work out.
The real question isn't his offensive style or scheme. Often times that doesn't translate to the skills required to be an NFL HC. The league is riddled with those guys.
Ultimately, as the OP has suggested, we have to trust our new GM and his abilities to see the rare qualities it takes to be a good NFL head coach.
None of us are sitting in those interviews or truly know who would, or would not be the right guy for us.
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Post by jmike on Jan 24, 2022 11:01:32 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Daboll As OC with KC in 2012 with Matt Cassel 2-12 17 total TDs' Cassel went 10-6 2 years earlier. As OC with Miami in 2011 with Young QBs Chad Henne and Matt More.6-10 As OC with The Browns In 2009,10, 5-11 both years with Young QBs Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy In those 5 years as an OC with Young QBs 18-44 What guy is he? The last 3 years with the bills or , the 24-54 OC he was before the Bills winning streak? Me IMO: We picked the wrong GM in Schoen. If he is hiring his buddies and not their credentials. Party pooper. Every party has one. Pissed he is stealing your role?
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Post by GameTime on Jan 24, 2022 16:15:39 GMT -5
I'll say this..... I don't know Brian Daboll at all. The only thing I know is that he is the OC of the Bills. We've hired the "hot coordinator" in the past. It doesn't always work out. The real question isn't his offensive style or scheme. Often times that doesn't translate to the skills required to be an NFL HC. The league is riddled with those guys. Ultimately, as the OP has suggested, we have to trust our new GM and his abilities to see the rare qualities it takes to be a good NFL head coach. None of us are sitting in those interviews or truly know who would, or would not be the right guy for us. and as an HC he wold have to find an OC that would want to run Daboll's offense
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 24, 2022 16:26:54 GMT -5
Party pooper. Every party has one. Pissed he is stealing your role? Now you see that just hurts my heart.
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