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Post by TCHOF on Jan 26, 2022 13:44:56 GMT -5
I thought that he came across smart, humble and genuine at his presser.
Don't know if it will result in success, but it's a refreshing change from the last two resident BS artists ....
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 26, 2022 13:49:41 GMT -5
Im encouraged in that he wasnt overwhelming in any direction, and I think its the way the team should be put together, just put together good solid players, from the inside out. create a team everyones said theyll make, but havent delivered.
schoen also made it a point to mention the oline in his interview on the fan after the presser which as obvious as that is to us, its still nice to hear.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 26, 2022 13:53:41 GMT -5
well, ****.. I already dislike Joe, but what else is he supposed to say about DJ You "already dislike Joe"? Based on what? I don't "dislike him" despite me saying that, mainly disliked hearing anything that had to do with DJ again being the QB for the NY giants even if for the season its the right decision. moreso, I just disliked hearing that at the time even anything that points to DJ having a job as the starting QB of the NY giants I dislike at the moment, bc its a. going to mean big money since his contract runs out this year, b. he's not reliable and C bc gettlemen ****ed any chance he had we're not in position to play the lets give it another 2-3 years and see what DJ can turn into game. So, in reality its just me being bitchy for no reason over fluff that was said, that's all.
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Post by ratbastich on Jan 26, 2022 13:55:04 GMT -5
Right now there are no other options at QB, so not sure what he is supposed to say plus throwing a guy under the bus before he has actually even gotten to work is pretty bad. Let's see what free agency and draft moves he makes and go from there. I suspect/h-word he is going to try to build the foundation first (what Gettleman said he was going to do) and then go from there. Plus, Schoen may need his own people in the scouting department before he trusts any true evaluation on a QB, a position that will ultimately determine his long term fate.
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 26, 2022 14:00:05 GMT -5
The video department sucks is hilarious because the owner Tisch comes comes from Hollywood lol
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 26, 2022 14:02:01 GMT -5
well, ****.. I already dislike Joe, but what else is he supposed to say about DJ Exactly. Fans hoping he’s going to walk into the room and start rolling heads left right and center really don’t understand organizational or change management. He’s going to gather info, first hand, on EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. Then he’ll make tough decisions. This idea that he was walking in with a flamethrower is just so out of touch. It’s not the 1950s anymore where leaders were supposed to have all the answers without all the information. Time have changed.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 26, 2022 14:02:56 GMT -5
You "already dislike Joe"? Based on what? I don't "dislike him" despite me saying that, mainly disliked hearing anything that had to do with DJ again being the QB for the NY giants even if for the season its the right decision. moreso, I just disliked hearing that at the time even anything that points to DJ having a job as the starting QB of the NY giants I dislike at the moment, bc its a. going to mean big money since his contract runs out this year, b. he's not reliable and C bc gettlemen ****ed any chance he had we're not in position to play the lets give it another 2-3 years and see what DJ can turn into game. So, in reality its just me being bitchy for no reason over fluff that was said, that's all. Ok...it was just the way you worded it. It looked as if you didn't like him BEFORE the DJ comments. Yeah...what else is he going to say? Better to keep your thoughts to yourself before the draft.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 26, 2022 14:05:15 GMT -5
And, fwiw...I streamed it on YouTube and everything was fine as far as I could tell.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 26, 2022 14:06:08 GMT -5
You get it, building for DJ is just really building for the QB or team period. More then likely if he is replaced in 2023 they aren's drafting an old school pocket passer they go with what is trending mobile passer beat teams from the pocket or out of it. DJ is the best option this year and I'm sure he knows that, this guy as second in command was still out scouting prospects. haven't had that since Reese was EAs #2 Ross was playing around at Giants home games and who know what Konce was doing. Hopefully we have a good one time will tell. That is what you hope for, and is what someone with common sense would do, that said, if they roll with DJ on a second contract... we'll be in this same position 4 years from now. My guess is that as time goes by and Schoen asserts himself he will be doing a lot of weeding inside and out. Don't get me wrong guys are gonna survive on the roster and in the front office. But my feeling is Joe came off mid western friendly but staff and players are gonna have to earn it. The way DJ earns it is by not letting them be in position to draft one of the top 3 QBs in the 2023 draft. I honestly believe he is gonna have to be good enough or he might come back on a modest backup type deal for 1 year while they sort it out.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 26, 2022 14:07:35 GMT -5
Putting an offense together to suit DJ doesn't mean they are sticking with him further than next year. We have so many holes anything we do would suit any mobile QB.100% I dont think he'll be a running option going forward. Not with that neck/Jones propensity for injury. Which begs the question, is DJ talented enough to succeed from the pocket? I think he has lots to prove
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 26, 2022 14:09:35 GMT -5
I think it shows that he still doesn't get it. Why is he even commenting on the QB? He's not qualified to evaluate him. Anyone who watches football is qualified to say that Jones hasn't gotten enough help. I noticed that Schoen said he watched the Saints game...I thought Schoen sounded impressed by Jones's performance in it. Joe said that the team showed it could compete when it had it's weapons on the field. He sounded fully aware injuries had a huge impact.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 26, 2022 14:11:33 GMT -5
I thought that he came across smart, humble and genuine at his presser. Don't know if it will result in success, but it's a refreshing change from the last two resident BS artists .... Exactly he didn't have that smartest guy in the room attitude more calm cool were gonna do this as a team. Giants front office whiners better get out of the finger pointing business and get into the doing your job and finding talent business. I think cool Joe might be able to flip that switch quick.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 26, 2022 14:16:13 GMT -5
well, ****.. I already dislike Joe, but what else is he supposed to say about DJ I wouldn't trip or overreact to those comments. The NY media would run with a lame narrative of the team not believing in Jones if he would have said anything otherwise. Kliff Klingsbury and the Cardinals publicly believed in Rosen all the way up until they drafted Kyler Murray. Personally, I just want better and more consistently good QB play than we've been getting, regardless of who will be the QB.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 26, 2022 14:46:13 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 26, 2022 15:08:12 GMT -5
Putting an offense together to suit DJ doesn't mean they are sticking with him further than next year. We have so many holes anything we do would suit any mobile QB.100% I dont think he'll be a running option going forward. Not with that neck/Jones propensity for injury. Which begs the question, is DJ talented enough to succeed from the pocket? I think he has lots to prove I've never been a fan of designed run plays for QBs. But I also think they have been forced to utilize his legs too much because of the state of the roster and injuries. And for him to prove he can succeed in the pocket, you have to give him a reasonable ol, which he hasn't had for most of his career so far.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 26, 2022 15:12:01 GMT -5
100% I dont think he'll be a running option going forward. Not with that neck/Jones propensity for injury. Which begs the question, is DJ talented enough to succeed from the pocket? I think he has lots to prove I've never been a fan of designed run plays for QBs. But I also think they have been forced to utilize his legs too much because of the state of the roster and injuries. And for him to prove he can succeed in the pocket, you have to give him a reasonable ol, which he hasn't had for most of his career so far. From my prespective, DJ will always struggle reading the defense. Yes, a OL will help give him more time, and if he see's it, he can make some nice throws. However, his biggest issue is processing, he locks on to his first read and struggles when he has to move off of it. This is all outside of the OL issue, which perpetuates this. Next year will give us a good indicator. If we get to an "average" OL in terms of ability, we should see a tremendous increase in production from DJ, that with Dabolls mind.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 26, 2022 15:12:24 GMT -5
Just watched the full pc. Only thing I saw that I didn't like was him saying the final call on the HC was a collaborative decision.
I think the process can be a collaboration, but he should get the HC he wants. Full stop.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 26, 2022 15:15:54 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of designed run plays for QBs. But I also think they have been forced to utilize his legs too much because of the state of the roster and injuries. And for him to prove he can succeed in the pocket, you have to give him a reasonable ol, which he hasn't had for most of his career so far. From my prespective, DJ will always struggle reading the defense. Yes, a OL will help give him more time, and if he see's it, he can make some nice throws. However, his biggest issue is processing, he locks on to his first read and struggles when he has to move off of it. This is all outside of the OL issue, which perpetuates this. Next year will give us a good indicator. If we get to an "average" OL in terms of ability, we should see a tremendous increase in production from DJ, that with Dabolls mind. Maybe. I think part of it is he knows he generally isn't going to have a lot of time to go through progressions, but he does need to prove that.
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 26, 2022 15:18:49 GMT -5
eh, I dont think any of us can really know how a lot of these things will play out months from now. jones is in the building, a building schoen hasnt even met everyone in yet.
im not worried about it, i dont foresee the new regime being hellbent to make it work if jones goes out and is terrible. im more concerned lets get a solid staff together and have a good draft and lets go from there, they dont even have all the guys in house yet thatll help analyze and make decisions on jones with.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 26, 2022 15:34:16 GMT -5
He probably only met DJ up until that point he made that statement walking in the building.
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 26, 2022 15:40:44 GMT -5
He probably only met DJ up until that point he made that statement walking in the building. Theres no argument hes a good kid. can he stay healthy? can he perform in whatever the new scheme is? we shall seeeeeeeeeeeee
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Post by GameTime on Jan 26, 2022 15:46:09 GMT -5
well, ****.. I already dislike Joe, but what else is he supposed to say about DJ and what other QB do you want? This team is a disaster right now. Oh and they have no money for Wilson etc. He will not rely o Jones and will probably bring in a vet for competition. Sshoen's main objective is to get this team team right roster wise. I am sure if he liked an college QB in this drat he would take them
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 26, 2022 18:31:46 GMT -5
He probably only met DJ up until that point he made that statement walking in the building. Theres no argument hes a good kid. can he stay healthy? can he perform in whatever the new scheme is? we shall seeeeeeeeeeeee correct, very rarely do young QBs go through multiple systems and come out good. I am actually hoping the new coaches scheme the offense for his talents not try to fit him into a system.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 26, 2022 18:36:27 GMT -5
He probably only met DJ up until that point he made that statement walking in the building. Theres no argument hes a good kid. can he stay healthy? can he perform in whatever the new scheme is? we shall seeeeeeeeeeeee You are a scary and weird person. And that's coming from a person that really liked both Blade Runner movies.
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