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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 26, 2022 13:25:36 GMT -5
It sounds like Joe Schoen is committed to Daniel Jones at quarterback for the Giants. “Once the new staff gets in here, head coach, offensive coordinator, entire staff, we’re gonna dive into the film and look at what allows Daniel to put his best foot forward,” Schoen said during his introductory press conference. “… He’s a great kid.” Schoen said he’s already met Jones in the building over the last two days, and he’s excited to work with the Duke product. Three years into his career, Jones has struggled to live up to the expectations that come with being the No. 6 overall pick. In 11 games this season, Jones threw for 2,428 yards at the helm of a lagging offense before a neck injury ended his season prematurely. At 24, though, there’s still time to unleash Jones’ potential, and that seems to be a focus for the new GM. “When the new staff gets in here, we’ll build an offense around Daniel to accentuate what he does best,” Schoen said. The first order of business for Schoen is to hire a head coach, with Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll looking like a potential frontrunner as of Wednesday morning. Daboll has a strong track record with quarterbacks, having helped develop Josh Allen in Buffalo and working for a year with Jalen Hurts and Tua Tagovailoa at Alabama prior to that. Brian Flores, who worked with Tagovailoa in Miami, and former Falcons coach Dan Quinn, whose coordinator experience is on the defensive side, are the other candidates of note. Joe Schoen says he wants to build the Giants' offense around Daniel Jones. Next year will be the last of Jones’ rookie contract, after which the Giants will need to decide whether to commit money to him over the long term. nypost.com/2022/01/26/how-new-giants-gm-joe-schoen-feels-about-daniel-jones/ |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 26, 2022 14:22:37 GMT -5
He likes him as an option in 2022. So do I. IF HE IS EVEN HEALTHY.
Personally, Id trade a 5th rounder for Gardner Minshew.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 26, 2022 14:29:10 GMT -5
He likes him as an option in 2022. So do I. IF HE IS EVEN HEALTHY. Personally, Id trade a 5th rounder for Gardner Minshew. If he ends up here after next year he will either have earned it or will come back as the backup which I doubt. Minshew I liked coming out as a late round QB for us if they went pass rusher but nope didn't listen to me again lol. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 26, 2022 14:33:47 GMT -5
He likes him as an option in 2022. So do I. IF HE IS EVEN HEALTHY. Personally, Id trade a 5th rounder for Gardner Minshew. why would Philly help the Giants after helping themselves by trading for Minshew? |
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Post by keyofgmen on Jan 26, 2022 14:41:57 GMT -5
"We've done everything possible to screw this kid up," Mara said, per NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 26, 2022 14:43:04 GMT -5
"We've done everything possible to screw this kid up," Mara said, per NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo. Really, John? Ya think? |
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Post by jaymas on Jan 26, 2022 14:45:36 GMT -5
I'll tell you this, obviously this is a 2022 endorsment only, which isn't a knock on Jones, you just couldn't endorse beyond that.
But I think, since the time of leading up to the draft, the league in general aka the teams of the league, have always been higher on Jones than fans or media pundits.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 26, 2022 14:55:57 GMT -5
"We've done everything possible to screw this kid up," Mara said, per NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo. Does that means the 5th year option is being granted? Mara speaks . . . again. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 26, 2022 15:14:44 GMT -5
We try one last time with Jones again next year. Not beyond that, This is pretty well accepted by everyone in the organization and the entire fan base. Lets build a team around the QB.
This draft is a bonanza of picks with 10 picks and 7 picks in the first 4 rds. And possibly compensatory picks still coming. Lets put some talent in some of these weak spots.
Jones if he shows us anything he could wind up staying for some type of 2nd contract. I hope Jones shows improvement. I'm not optimistic but a new coach in his ear and improved time to throw the ball could be the spark that he needs to be our starter.
This team needs to be competitive on offense. Lot of work any position you mention.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 26, 2022 15:41:48 GMT -5
The absolute best case scenario is somehow DJ absolutely kills it this year on the cheap and proves out you've got a solution for the hardest thing to solve. And you're only risking one year to determine it.
It's not a bad situation. And I agree wtih Mara, this organization has done everything it can to screw their young QB up.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 26, 2022 16:19:15 GMT -5
Could work out in the long run. If he's worthy of an extension It won't be record setting dollars. Every dollar counts. I'm glad he's taking this approach, I think we will see marked improvement.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 26, 2022 16:20:54 GMT -5
Its January. Jones is safe for now.
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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 26, 2022 17:01:56 GMT -5
I see a total rebuild coming! He has to clear money and that means selling players!
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 26, 2022 17:09:33 GMT -5
I see a total rebuild coming! He has to clear money and that means selling players! Of course it’s coming. The weather reports is calling for a tornado, tsunami, and raining frogs over MetLife stadium. Don’t be fooled, they’re playing everything close to the vest right now. |
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 26, 2022 17:18:33 GMT -5
I see a total rebuild coming! He has to clear money and that means selling players! Of course it’s coming. The weather reports is calling for a tornado, tsunami, and raining frogs over MetLife stadium. Don’t be fooled, they’re playing everything close to the vest right now. Here's what Kingsbury was saying about Josh Rosen two days before drafting Kyler Murray: “I think Josh has done everything humanly possible to show what type of quarterback he is (and) what type of competitor he is,” Kingsbury told reporters Tuesday after the first practice of voluntary minicamp. “I’ve said it all along — I couldn’t be more impressed with his approach. “He’s a great player. He was a top-10 pick for a reason. You see it out there, how cerebral he is, how quickly he has picked up our system. I was really impressed with his execution today.” Doesn't mean that they'll move on from Jones this season, but people should take anything that's said right now with a grain of salt. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 26, 2022 17:37:58 GMT -5
Of course it’s coming. The weather reports is calling for a tornado, tsunami, and raining frogs over MetLife stadium. Don’t be fooled, they’re playing everything close to the vest right now. Here's what Kingsbury was saying about Josh Rosen two days before drafting Kyler Murray: “I think Josh has done everything humanly possible to show what type of quarterback he is (and) what type of competitor he is,” Kingsbury told reporters Tuesday after the first practice of voluntary minicamp. “I’ve said it all along — I couldn’t be more impressed with his approach. “He’s a great player. He was a top-10 pick for a reason. You see it out there, how cerebral he is, how quickly he has picked up our system. I was really impressed with his execution today.” Doesn't mean that they'll move on from Jones this season, but people should take anything that's said right now with a grain of salt. Jones is on borrowed time. Neck injury, inconsistency, drafted by a previous failed regime. We can hear all the song and dance how the Giants are going to build around Jones, we heard that last year and the year before by the way. Doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Joe Schoen is a new general manger, he gets one shot to make this right. He sure as shit isn’t going to put his job on the line for someone else’s sloppy seconds. |
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Post by fishinthesalt on Jan 26, 2022 17:38:16 GMT -5
I hope it's a smokescreen. What else is he going to say anyway.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 26, 2022 17:39:31 GMT -5
Of course it’s coming. The weather reports is calling for a tornado, tsunami, and raining frogs over MetLife stadium. Don’t be fooled, they’re playing everything close to the vest right now. Here's what Kingsbury was saying about Josh Rosen two days before drafting Kyler Murray: “I think Josh has done everything humanly possible to show what type of quarterback he is (and) what type of competitor he is,” Kingsbury told reporters Tuesday after the first practice of voluntary minicamp. “I’ve said it all along — I couldn’t be more impressed with his approach. “He’s a great player. He was a top-10 pick for a reason. You see it out there, how cerebral he is, how quickly he has picked up our system. I was really impressed with his execution today.” Doesn't mean that they'll move on from Jones this season, but people should take anything that's said right now with a grain of salt. Exactly. He gave the media the right answers for now. If he would have said anything else, the NY media would have a field day with it. |
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Post by Jomo on Jan 26, 2022 17:39:58 GMT -5
Maybe he feels that way, maybe he doesn't.
There is no reason for him to say anything but that.
Why tip your hand if you want a QB in the draft?
Why give your incumbent anything but good feelings about the new regime?
He didn't give up anything with those statements and I applaud him.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 26, 2022 17:46:45 GMT -5
Of course it’s coming. The weather reports is calling for a tornado, tsunami, and raining frogs over MetLife stadium. Don’t be fooled, they’re playing everything close to the vest right now. Here's what Kingsbury was saying about Josh Rosen two days before drafting Kyler Murray: “I think Josh has done everything humanly possible to show what type of quarterback he is (and) what type of competitor he is,” Kingsbury told reporters Tuesday after the first practice of voluntary minicamp. “I’ve said it all along — I couldn’t be more impressed with his approach. “He’s a great player. He was a top-10 pick for a reason. You see it out there, how cerebral he is, how quickly he has picked up our system. I was really impressed with his execution today.” Doesn't mean that they'll move on from Jones this season, but people should take anything that's said right now with a grain of salt. Yeah but this was against the backdrop of the worst kept secret in the NFL that the Cards were going to take Murray. Everyone knew it was BS. There is no doubt the new GM wasn't going to shower Jones with praise, but I believe what I said that the league views DJ more positively than fans or media. It's always been that way. And no matter his shortcomings (perceived and real), the team has objectively done a bad job with a guy that put out a good rookie year. I don't know if all of that means he can be salvaged and will be our guy (I still lean toward it being too late for that), but hell, I'll be interested in watching him try to prove himself as the guy this year. |
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Post by leonperry on Jan 26, 2022 17:55:56 GMT -5
Here's what Kingsbury was saying about Josh Rosen two days before drafting Kyler Murray: “I think Josh has done everything humanly possible to show what type of quarterback he is (and) what type of competitor he is,” Kingsbury told reporters Tuesday after the first practice of voluntary minicamp. “I’ve said it all along — I couldn’t be more impressed with his approach. “He’s a great player. He was a top-10 pick for a reason. You see it out there, how cerebral he is, how quickly he has picked up our system. I was really impressed with his execution today.” Doesn't mean that they'll move on from Jones this season, but people should take anything that's said right now with a grain of salt. Jones is on borrowed time. Neck injury, inconsistency, drafted by a previous failed regime. We can hear all the song and dance how the Giants are going to build around Jones, we heard that last year and the year before by the way. Doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Joe Schoen is a new general manger, he gets one shot to make this right. He sure as shit isn’t going to put his job on the line for someone else’s sloppy seconds. I agree with this, despite the less than gracious & classy last bit there. My gut reax in watching & listening to Schoen at the presser is that he isn't crazy about him. I think he will be flipped for a pretty high draft pick (2nd or 3rd) as the team tanks up with all these draft picks, and then they will get a serviceable vet (who can actually perform at an NFL level. not someone like Glennon) w/ good competition from others brought in. I said before last season started he would be gone after this year and I'll stick with that till proven otherwise. that said, I think the cutting in half of the points per game after he got injured from bad to comedic wasn't entirely meaningless. I think the Alex Smith comparisons are apt, except he will be Alex Smith before Alex Smith uh, became Alex Smith. But it won't be here. |
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Post by Giggles on Jan 26, 2022 17:58:28 GMT -5
Will Mara allow this GM to move on from Jones if he doesn't like what he sees? I have my doubts based on the comments today.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 26, 2022 17:59:41 GMT -5
Will Mara allow this GM to move on from Jones if he doesn't like what he sees? I have my doubts based on the comments today. Come on. Mara making emotional decisions? Not going to happen |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 26, 2022 18:06:44 GMT -5
Here's what Kingsbury was saying about Josh Rosen two days before drafting Kyler Murray: “I think Josh has done everything humanly possible to show what type of quarterback he is (and) what type of competitor he is,” Kingsbury told reporters Tuesday after the first practice of voluntary minicamp. “I’ve said it all along — I couldn’t be more impressed with his approach. “He’s a great player. He was a top-10 pick for a reason. You see it out there, how cerebral he is, how quickly he has picked up our system. I was really impressed with his execution today.” Doesn't mean that they'll move on from Jones this season, but people should take anything that's said right now with a grain of salt. Yeah but this was against the backdrop of the worst kept secret in the NFL that the Cards were going to take Murray. Everyone knew it was BS. There is no doubt the new GM wasn't going to shower Jones with praise, but I believe what I said that the league views DJ more positively than fans or media. It's always been that way. And no matter his shortcomings (perceived and real), the team has objectively done a bad job with a guy that put out a good rookie year. I don't know if all of that means he can be salvaged and will be our guy (I still lean toward it being too late for that), but hell, I'll be interested in watching him try to prove himself as the guy this year. Right, the Cards had the top pick in the draft. The comments Schoen made were about Jones as the QB of the team. Kingsbury didn't talk about building around Rosen. It’s when a new GM heaps random, unsolicited praise about the QB has being a "hard worker and competitor" etc. when you know he is probably gone. |
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Post by lt56 on Jan 26, 2022 19:36:50 GMT -5
do we have any other choice but to go with DJ for one more year?
No Cap Room to Trade for a huge contracts like Watson, Wilson, Rodgers or hell even Jimmy G at this point and this is not a good draft at all for QB's neither Pickett, Willis, Howell or Carrol are upgrades over DJ IMO
Maybe bring in a Trubisky for cheap to push and compete with DJ during Camp, especially if they hire Daboll since he is already familiar with Daboll offense
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 26, 2022 19:37:54 GMT -5
One thing I heard that Schoen said that I don’t like (heard this from carton and roberts) that he isn’t a rebuild guy he is about wins and build for the future. I get what he is saying but we have put off rebuilding this team for way too long. This team needs a rebuild
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 27, 2022 2:01:10 GMT -5
The absolute best case scenario is somehow DJ absolutely kills it this year on the cheap and proves out you've got a solution for the hardest thing to solve. And you're only risking one year to determine it. It's not a bad situation. And I agree wtih Mara, this organization has done everything it can to screw their young QB up. He doesn’t even have to kill it. Find yourself in the top half of QBs in the league. You don’t have to be Mahomes or Allen. Average QB play would be a huge improvement unfortunately. The logical next step for this team is beating teams with losing records consistently, and maybe stealing a game or two from good teams. That’s probably 8-9. Average QB play will get you there. Even his option year is reasonable until you’re in a position to improve on him. Any GM is gonna make damn sure there’s no way to rescue that pick before you throw it out. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 27, 2022 8:52:08 GMT -5
The absolute best case scenario is somehow DJ absolutely kills it this year on the cheap and proves out you've got a solution for the hardest thing to solve. And you're only risking one year to determine it. It's not a bad situation. And I agree wtih Mara, this organization has done everything it can to screw their young QB up. He doesn’t even have to kill it. Find yourself in the top half of QBs in the league. You don’t have to be Mahomes or Allen. Average QB play would be a huge improvement unfortunately. The logical next step for this team is beating teams with losing records consistently, and maybe stealing a game or two from good teams. That’s probably 8-9. Average QB play will get you there. Even his option year is reasonable until you’re in a position to improve on him. Any GM is gonna make damn sure there’s no way to rescue that pick before you throw it out. Especially when there ARE similarities between the kid that has had zero stability, and the kid who was coddled and nurtured in Buffalo. Allen ran around in circles for 2 years taking vicious hit and fumbling often. They built around him and today he has them on the brink. |
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Post by Giggles on Jan 27, 2022 9:01:53 GMT -5
Will Mara allow this GM to move on from Jones if he doesn't like what he sees? I have my doubts based on the comments today. Schoen was on Tiki and Tierney this morning. Tierney asked him point blank, “do you have the ability to move on from Jones and Barkley if you want to?” After giving nice fluff bites Schoen said, “yes I have full autonomy over the roster.” I'll believe it when it happens. Meddling owners usually don't just change their ways. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 27, 2022 9:05:03 GMT -5
Schoen was on Tiki and Tierney this morning. Tierney asked him point blank, “do you have the ability to move on from Jones and Barkley if you want to?” After giving nice fluff bites Schoen said, “yes I have full autonomy over the roster.” I'll believe it when it happens. Meddling owners usually don't just change their ways. how will you know if its actually happening? |
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