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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 17:16:18 GMT -5
Not a fan.....prefer a clean sweep.....pulling for Wink. Same. How is someone supposed to move on from an ex girlfriend with her pictures and underwear still in their room? what id Daboll and Schoen think Graham is better than other DC candidates? Thats what matters here.
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Post by Martin on Jan 31, 2022 17:19:36 GMT -5
I like this move . I do not want of another D tear down. I am not big fan of the 3-4. It has its flaws. At the same time, we have most of the prices in place. A complete Defensive change would set us back even further. Fix the offense and the D automatically will be better. More sustained drives, more 7's than 3's. More time for the D resting on the sidelines. Trying to have a clean slate on both sides of the ball is daunting. If the players really like Graham and the GM and HC believe its right than it's the thing to do. I do like that Dabol knows Graham. Communication is vital. I am a big fan of the 3 -4 except I want my LB's to be Taylor, Carson, Kelley and Van Pelt.
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Post by TEM on Jan 31, 2022 17:22:13 GMT -5
I like this move . I do not want of another D tear down. I am not big fan of the 3-4. It has its flaws. At the same time, we have most of the prices in place. A complete Defensive change would set us back even further. Fix the offense and the D automatically will be better. More sustained drives, more 7's than 3's. More time for the D resting on the sidelines. Trying to have a clean slate on both sides of the ball is daunting. If the players really like Graham and the GM and HC believe its right than it's the thing to do. I do like that Dabol knows Graham. Communication is vital. I am a big fan of the 3 -4 except I want my LB's to be Taylor, Carson, Kelley and Van Pelt. I think it was good in that era. To me it is too square peg in round hole in today's football.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 31, 2022 17:25:33 GMT -5
I think this likely ensures the return of most of our starters on defense. Not sure about that. We still have huge cap issues. it would be tough to imagine that either Bradberry and Martinez will be back. And obviously Peppers is very doubtful. We're stuck with Williams, Jackson and probably Ryan. But other guys may be cap casualties.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2022 17:26:09 GMT -5
This lets me know that they won't be retooling the Defense as much as the offense. a 50/50 rebuild.Don't even think it's that much. Unless we start cutting good players, and taking huge prorated cap hits. I see about 7-8 new starters at the most.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 31, 2022 17:26:16 GMT -5
Same. How is someone supposed to move on from an ex girlfriend with her pictures and underwear still in their room? what id Daboll and Schoen think Graham is better than other DC candidates? Thats what matters here. How would they know if they haven't interviewed any other ones yet? I'm not knocking Graham here. I just feel that it is in their best interest to have an entirely new coaching staff with no reminders of the last regime.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 17:30:56 GMT -5
what id Daboll and Schoen think Graham is better than other DC candidates? Thats what matters here. How would they know if they haven't interviewed any other ones yet? I'm not knocking Graham here. I just feel that it is in their best interest to have an entirely new coaching staff with no reminders of the last regime. Guess if I am going to trust Schoen and Daboll I am going to trust they want Graham to stay for good reasons. Their best interest is decided by them no?
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2022 17:31:03 GMT -5
I think this likely ensures the return of most of our starters on defense. Not sure about that. We still have huge cap issues. it would be tough to imagine that either Bradberry and Martinez will be back. And obviously Peppers is very doubtful. We're stuck with Williams, Jackson and probably Ryan. But other guys may be cap casualties. Peppers is a FA. Like you said, Ryan, Williams and Jackson are untouchable. The rest are young players under rookie contracts. So who gets cut? Bradberry is the only healthy starter I could see getting axed. And being that Graham is a fan of his, an extension makes more sense.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 31, 2022 18:19:31 GMT -5
Martindale blitzes way too much. It gets figured out and the results aren’t pretty. I am with you on this. If Graham, against all likely odds, leaves to become the Vikings HC I'd prefer Fangio over Wink if he's interested. Yea and right now with the Harbaugh rumor gaining steam the rumor running with Harbaugh as HC is Fangio as his DC. I think they had this relationship in S.F. IMO That would be good for us cause then Graham comes back .
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Post by mendy on Jan 31, 2022 18:23:54 GMT -5
I like this move . I do not want of another D tear down. I am not big fan of the 3-4. It has its flaws. At the same time, we have most of the prices in place. A complete Defensive change would set us back even further. Fix the offense and the D automatically will be better. More sustained drives, more 7's than 3's. More time for the D resting on the sidelines. Trying to have a clean slate on both sides of the ball is daunting. If the players really like Graham and the GM and HC believe its right than it's the thing to do. I do like that Dabol knows Graham. Communication is vital. I am a big fan of the 3 -4 except I want my LB's to be Taylor, Carson, Kelley and Van Pelt. I like them too but my choice would be LT ,Carson, Reasons and Banks.
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Post by BlueReign on Jan 31, 2022 18:29:42 GMT -5
Graham deserves to stay, he got a lot out of that unit and really developed some of the young guys nicely.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 31, 2022 18:44:17 GMT -5
Not sure about that. We still have huge cap issues. it would be tough to imagine that either Bradberry and Martinez will be back. And obviously Peppers is very doubtful. We're stuck with Williams, Jackson and probably Ryan. But other guys may be cap casualties. Peppers is a FA. Like you said, Ryan, Williams and Jackson are untouchable. The rest are young players under rookie contracts. So who gets cut? Bradberry is the only healthy starter I could see getting axed. And being that Graham is a fan of his, an extension makes more sense. Fair enough. As I look at our cap numbers it's clear that Bradberry and Martinez are the only ones who will probably be let go. Although I have read that the Giants could try to redo Martinez's deal. We'll see who goes among the younger players. I think guys like Roche and Ojulari should have huge roles next year. I'm actually feeling OK about our D. God bless Joe Schoen and the job he has to fix this cap mess. How can a team this bad be paid so much?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2022 18:52:35 GMT -5
Peppers is a FA. Like you said, Ryan, Williams and Jackson are untouchable. The rest are young players under rookie contracts. So who gets cut? Bradberry is the only healthy starter I could see getting axed. And being that Graham is a fan of his, an extension makes more sense. Fair enough. As I look at our cap numbers it's clear that Bradberry and Martinez are the only ones who will probably be let go. Although I have read that the Giants could try to redo Martinez's deal. We'll see who goes among the younger players. I think guys like Roche and Ojulari should have huge roles next year. I'm actually feeling OK about our D. God bless Joe Schoen and the job he has to fix this cap mess. How can a team this bad be paid so much?Gucken Fettleman
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 31, 2022 18:53:25 GMT -5
Didn't Daboll and Graham coach together at New England? With Judge too.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 31, 2022 19:07:33 GMT -5
Not sure about that. We still have huge cap issues. it would be tough to imagine that either Bradberry and Martinez will be back. And obviously Peppers is very doubtful. We're stuck with Williams, Jackson and probably Ryan. But other guys may be cap casualties. Peppers is a FA. Like you said, Ryan, Williams and Jackson are untouchable. The rest are young players under rookie contracts. So who gets cut? Bradberry is the only healthy starter I could see getting axed. And being that Graham is a fan of his, an extension makes more sense. Couldn't agree more. I am hoping both Bradbury and Martinez contracts are renegotiated and they are both retained.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2022 19:39:25 GMT -5
For those who didn't like retaining Graham he is getting a second in person interview with the Vikings, if he does Fly the coop Vic Fangio needs to be at the top of the list top 2or 3 defensive minds in the game the last 10 years.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2022 19:43:13 GMT -5
I am with you on this. If Graham, against all likely odds, leaves to become the Vikings HC I'd prefer Fangio over Wink if he's interested. Yea and right now with the Harbaugh rumor gaining steam the rumor running with Harbaugh as HC is Fangio as his DC. I think they had this relationship in S.F. IMO That would be good for us cause then Graham comes back . Graham is getting a second in person interview with the vikings they might be serious about him, If so Fangio is the best DC out there and free he might be the best period, If graham goes the giants need to pay up get Fangio in here.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 19:50:48 GMT -5
Yea and right now with the Harbaugh rumor gaining steam the rumor running with Harbaugh as HC is Fangio as his DC. I think they had this relationship in S.F. IMO That would be good for us cause then Graham comes back . Graham is getting a second in person interview with the vikings they might be serious about him, If so Fangio is the best DC out there and free he might be the best period, If graham goes the giants need to pay up get Fangio in here. all depends on who Daboll wants. I dont think money is a factor. At least semi reasonable money .
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Post by moecoastie on Jan 31, 2022 19:56:28 GMT -5
Didn't Daboll and Graham coach together at New England? With Judge too. Daboll, like it or not, is from the BB tree. Daboll seems to have no connection with Martindale at any point during their coaching careers. Philosophically, Graham and his ability to change defenses and be versatile seems more inline with Daboll than Martindale's rigid blitz/man scheme. Remember, Martindale has only been the D coordinator for Pitt for the last 4 years, First year, after their legendary D coordinator stepped away from the game, he almost got ran outta town til they traded for Fitzpatrick away from the Dolphins. Dont get Martindale confused with Dick LeBeau. that's like getting Bettcher mixed up Todd Bowles.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 31, 2022 19:59:33 GMT -5
Yea and right now with the Harbaugh rumor gaining steam the rumor running with Harbaugh as HC is Fangio as his DC. I think they had this relationship in S.F. IMO That would be good for us cause then Graham comes back . Graham is getting a second in person interview with the vikings they might be serious about him, If so Fangio is the best DC out there and free he might be the best period, If graham goes the giants need to pay up get Fangio in here. I'd rather have Fangio than Wink as well. Now you just have to convince Dabol.
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Post by Speedman on Jan 31, 2022 20:02:52 GMT -5
Daboll, like it or not, is from the BB tree. Daboll seems to have no connection with Martindale at any point during their coaching careers. Philosophically, Graham and his ability to change defenses and be versatile seems more inline with Daboll than Martindale's rigid blitz/man scheme. Remember, Martindale has only been the D coordinator for Pitt for the last 4 years, First year, after their legendary D coordinator stepped away from the game, he almost got ran outta town til they traded for Fitzpatrick away from the Dolphins. Dont get Martindale confused with Dick LeBeau. that's like getting Bettcher mixed up Todd Bowles. I thought Martindale was the DC for Baltimore.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 31, 2022 20:18:40 GMT -5
lol
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Post by moecoastie on Jan 31, 2022 21:15:39 GMT -5
Daboll, like it or not, is from the BB tree. Daboll seems to have no connection with Martindale at any point during their coaching careers. Philosophically, Graham and his ability to change defenses and be versatile seems more inline with Daboll than Martindale's rigid blitz/man scheme. Remember, Martindale has only been the D coordinator for Pitt for the last 4 years, First year, after their legendary D coordinator stepped away from the game, he almost got ran outta town til they traded for Fitzpatrick away from the Dolphins. Dont get Martindale confused with Dick LeBeau. that's like getting Bettcher mixed up Todd Bowles. I thought Martindale was the DC for Baltimore. fook...disregard everything I said. I feel like a doofus Baltimore...Pittsburgh...they all hit the same to me
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2022 22:17:52 GMT -5
It'd be great for him to get the HC job but I love the idea of retaining him if that doesn't work out. But it won't be long, he's likely going to be a HC somewhere soon.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2022 22:58:32 GMT -5
Graham is getting a second in person interview with the vikings they might be serious about him, If so Fangio is the best DC out there and free he might be the best period, If graham goes the giants need to pay up get Fangio in here. I'd rather have Fangio than Wink as well. Now you just have to convince Dabol. Don't think this team is good enough to live by the Blitz and that is Winks deal. Fangio might be the the best in the last 10 or so years to do it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2022 23:00:43 GMT -5
Daboll, like it or not, is from the BB tree. Daboll seems to have no connection with Martindale at any point during their coaching careers. Philosophically, Graham and his ability to change defenses and be versatile seems more inline with Daboll than Martindale's rigid blitz/man scheme. Remember, Martindale has only been the D coordinator for Pitt for the last 4 years, First year, after their legendary D coordinator stepped away from the game, he almost got ran outta town til they traded for Fitzpatrick away from the Dolphins. Dont get Martindale confused with Dick LeBeau. that's like getting Bettcher mixed up Todd Bowles. I thought Martindale was the DC for Baltimore. He was
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 31, 2022 23:08:32 GMT -5
It would be good if Graham is able to stay on. He did a good job with the defense over the last 2 years all things considered. If not, like others have said there are some other good candidates out there in Fangio and Martingdale with good resumes.
It'll be interesting how it all shakes out.
Also curious to see how they manage the cap this year. I see them more likely cutting Martinez than Bradburry being that Martinez is coming off an injury and the way Crowder stepped in to replace him. I don't know if they'll cut both of them unless they are going to go full tank next season.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2022 23:14:12 GMT -5
I just read per the Rooney rule the Giants are in line for 2 , 3rd comp picks if the viking do hire Pat Graham. Don't know if it's true think I read something about it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2022 23:17:08 GMT -5
It'd be great for him to get the HC job but I love the idea of retaining him if that doesn't work out. But it won't be long, he's likely going to be a HC somewhere soon. Harbaugh will be in there on Wednesday also but from what I'm reading few tweetes saying per league rules if Graham gets the gig we get 2 third round comp picks.
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Post by Martin on Jan 31, 2022 23:49:15 GMT -5
Fix the offense and the D automatically will be better. More sustained drives, more 7's than 3's. More time for the D resting on the sidelines. Trying to have a clean slate on both sides of the ball is daunting. If the players really like Graham and the GM and HC believe its right than it's the thing to do. I do like that Dabol knows Graham. Communication is vital. I am a big fan of the 3 -4 except I want my LB's to be Taylor, Carson, Kelley and Van Pelt. I like them too but my choice would be LT ,Carson, Reasons and Banks. The good old days
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