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Post by Kruunch on Mar 15, 2022 9:47:50 GMT -5
I think people are overreacting to Golladay...was it a great deal? no...but that's free agency. However, we've seen glimpses of Golladay still able to get it done like his performance against NO. I believe he was hampered by injuries which unfortunately was his red-flag to begin with. I know this is a big if, but IF he can stay relatively healthy...I think he will surprise many people This was a good receiver before being paired with Jason Garrett. He was a good receiver when he was playing with the likes of Matthew Stafford. Funny, his production takes a swan dive into an empty pool once he comes here. Now that Jason Garrett is long gone, Golladay will resort back to his phenomenal self where he can’t get any separation. |
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Post by vinnie on Mar 15, 2022 9:50:46 GMT -5
I think the point is, at this time we don't know if Schoen is any better than Gettleman. I’ll bet my mortgage on it. I honestly think 90% of the posters here couldn’t screw this team over more than DG if they tried. Schoen could be the worse GM in the league for the next 2 years and he will still be better than Gettleman. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 15, 2022 9:50:58 GMT -5
No really. I have no idea what your point is here. He had a job to do.......Win. He failed miserably. He did the wrong thing at every turn. He tried to build a team of the 20th century in the 21st century. Then he tried to buy his way out of it in 2020, which put us in cap hell with a terrible team. I have no idea what "right thing" he did. Wrong he had plenty of smart moves and left way to much talent on the board during draft time but he has drafted a a couple corner stone type players. His biggest mistake was losing Patience and going on an ill advised spending spree, That we had just recovered from the last ill advised spending spree. Instead of OV and Jenkens it was Golladay and Rudolph. |
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Post by Nite on Mar 15, 2022 9:52:10 GMT -5
Gettleman screwed up trying to do right and I can't blame him for that.. I can.... Because I can Thats all there is, man... Its all his fault; Global Warning, Gas rising, parachuting spiders, India invading New Jersey, and my (ex) mother-in-law getting plastic surgery..... |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 15, 2022 9:56:18 GMT -5
No really. I have no idea what your point is here. He had a job to do.......Win. He failed miserably. He did the wrong thing at every turn. (Sounds like Joe Biden)
He tried to build a team of the 20th century in the 21st century. Then he tried to buy his way out of it in 2020, which put us in cap hell with a terrible team. I have no idea what "right thing" he did. (Leave)To me his worse flaw was the hiring of 3 coaches that weren't HC material. They screwed things up every bit as much as Gettlemen. |
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 15, 2022 9:58:52 GMT -5
No really. I have no idea what your point is here. He had a job to do.......Win. He failed miserably. He did the wrong thing at every turn. He tried to build a team of the 20th century in the 21st century. Then he tried to buy his way out of it in 2020, which put us in cap hell with a terrible team. I have no idea what "right thing" he did. Wrong he had plenty of smart moves and left way to much talent on the board during draft time but he has drafted a a couple corner stone type players. His biggest mistake was losing Patience and going on an ill advised spending spree, That we had just recovered from the last ill advised spending spree. Instead of OV and Jenkens it was Golladay and Rudolph. Name these smart moves.. Smartest move he made is retire.. |
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Post by thetruth on Mar 15, 2022 10:00:23 GMT -5
Don't know about you, but I'm still pissed at the deals that have really screwed the Giants. Salary cap hell and overpaid Golladay and
Bradberry. 😨 Worst GM in sports history. Just accept it and move on, I know its tough having said that day 1 but it looks the Giants have figured it out |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 15, 2022 10:00:38 GMT -5
No really. I have no idea what your point is here. He had a job to do.......Win. He failed miserably. He did the wrong thing at every turn. He tried to build a team of the 20th century in the 21st century. Then he tried to buy his way out of it in 2020, which put us in cap hell with a terrible team. I have no idea what "right thing" he did. Wrong he had plenty of smart moves and left way to much talent on the board during draft time but he has drafted a a couple corner stone type players. His biggest mistake was losing Patience and going on an ill advised spending spree, That we had just recovered from the last ill advised spending spree. Instead of OV and Jenkens it was Golladay and Rudolph. lol, yeah ok. Plenty of smart moves |
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Post by mendy on Mar 15, 2022 10:03:43 GMT -5
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Post by thetruth on Mar 15, 2022 10:04:08 GMT -5
Wrong he had plenty of smart moves and left way to much talent on the board during draft time but he has drafted a a couple corner stone type players. His biggest mistake was losing Patience and going on an ill advised spending spree, That we had just recovered from the last ill advised spending spree. Instead of OV and Jenkens it was Golladay and Rudolph. Name these smart moves.. Smartest move he made is retire.. probably drafting BJ Hill in the third. But he was deemed so unworthy we traded an early round 3 draft pick for LW, gave him all the leverage, and resulted in a 2022 cap hit of ~$27MM. Wild Dave was clearly always a phony, he couldn't scout and it was obvious with the guys he brought in. Its REALLY hard to be as bad as him |
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Post by jmike on Mar 15, 2022 10:40:27 GMT -5
I think the point is, at this time we don't know if Schoen is any better than Gettleman. Not sure about you but I do. No, you don't. Because you can't see the future. A lot of people liked DGs early signings to fix the OL as well. I am more optimistic than I was with DG, but as of now, Schoen is an unknown. To pretend otherwise is pure fantasy. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 15, 2022 10:41:52 GMT -5
Not sure about you but I do. Well the fact he is rooted in trying to build a team to win in 2022 and on is a huge improvement Wasn't DG trying to build a team to win in his first year by building around an incumbent QB? Seems JS is attempting the same thing DG is. We just hope he is better at it. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 15, 2022 10:45:31 GMT -5
Wrong he had plenty of smart moves and left way to much talent on the board during draft time but he has drafted a a couple corner stone type players. His biggest mistake was losing Patience and going on an ill advised spending spree, That we had just recovered from the last ill advised spending spree. Instead of OV and Jenkens it was Golladay and Rudolph. Name these smart moves.. Smartest move he made is retire.. LOL Kruunch first one was letting Collins walk instead of paying 20 mill per, getting Ziegler for Vernon getting Peppers in the OBJ trade sure there are plenty of others, like Reese he had more misses then hits and needed an easy pass out. Best to keep feeling out of it. Hopefully Schoen gives us better then we have had the last 10 or 11 years. |
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Post by Bigjeep on Mar 15, 2022 11:34:49 GMT -5
Yes, the damage that Gettleman did is mind boggling! I don't ever want to hear that "word" hog mollies again! It's cursed! We need a good lawyer and put him away for life without parole! Charge, inhuman cruelty to Giant fans causing undo stress and depression! If I recall many were saying the same things about Reese after he was fired and many actually thought DG made some good moves when he first got here. Just a perspective. Reese was never that bad! But he had to go with the Eli moves! |
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Post by Bigjeep on Mar 15, 2022 11:36:53 GMT -5
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Post by mendy on Mar 15, 2022 12:34:49 GMT -5
If I recall many were saying the same things about Reese after he was fired and many actually thought DG made some good moves when he first got here. Just a perspective. Reese was never that bad! But he had to go with the Eli moves! I would disagree ,my opinion is that he was responsible for a good portion the downside of the teams decline by not addressing the problems that others saw coming.Offensive line for one, Linebacker position for another ad in locker room issues and he had as big a hand as DG, again just my opinion. |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 15, 2022 12:43:05 GMT -5
No really. I have no idea what your point is here. He had a job to do.......Win. He failed miserably. He did the wrong thing at every turn. He tried to build a team of the 20th century in the 21st century. Then he tried to buy his way out of it in 2020, which put us in cap hell with a terrible team. I have no idea what "right thing" he did. Wrong he had plenty of smart moves and left way to much talent on the board during draft time but he has drafted a a couple corner stone type players. His biggest mistake was losing Patience and going on an ill advised spending spree, That we had just recovered from the last ill advised spending spree. Instead of OV and Jenkens it was Golladay and Rudolph. It's easy to pick good players with very high picks. ...or to overpay for talent in free agency. It's much harder to accumulate the right players to build a winning team. |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 15, 2022 12:47:19 GMT -5
Not sure about you but I do. No, you don't. Because you can't see the future. A lot of people liked DGs early signings to fix the OL as well. I am more optimistic than I was with DG, but as of now, Schoen is an unknown. To pretend otherwise is pure fantasy. As I said.....It's easy to sign players fans like. It's actually hard to build a winning team. Dave was an all time failure. It's actually harder to take a losing team and put it in worse condition. The league with it's draft rules, salary cap and free agency makes it really hard to do that. Dave managed to despite all that. So yes....I KNOW Joe Schoen is better than Dave Gettleman. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 15, 2022 12:54:47 GMT -5
Don't know about you, but I'm still pissed at the deals that have really screwed the Giants. Salary cap hell and overpaid Golladay and
Bradberry. 😨 Worst GM in sports history. Just accept it and move on, I know its tough having said that day 1 but it looks the Giants have figured it out That's all we have ... It's what happens when you bring in a prehistoric relic that says what bunch of people wanted to hear that were also stuck in the past .. I have to say he might have been one of tbe worst executives in the history of sports... We are in good hands now,these guys all are forward thinking and understand football in this decade not only in the pros but college and even high school with trends |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 15, 2022 12:56:26 GMT -5
No, you don't. Because you can't see the future. A lot of people liked DGs early signings to fix the OL as well. I am more optimistic than I was with DG, but as of now, Schoen is an unknown. To pretend otherwise is pure fantasy. As I said.....It's easy to sign players fans like. It's actually hard to build a winning team. Dave was an all time failure. It's actually harder to take a losing team and put it in worse condition. The league with it's draft rules, salary cap and free agency makes it really hard to do that. Dave managed to despite all that. So yes....I KNOW Joe Schoen is better than Dave Gettleman. Here is all you need to know about the Gucken Fettleman error. He left the team in worse shape cap wise with a qb on a rookie deal and worse O line than he inherited |
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Post by jmike on Mar 15, 2022 12:56:59 GMT -5
No, you don't. Because you can't see the future. A lot of people liked DGs early signings to fix the OL as well. I am more optimistic than I was with DG, but as of now, Schoen is an unknown. To pretend otherwise is pure fantasy. As I said.....It's easy to sign players fans like. It's actually hard to build a winning team. Dave was an all time failure. It's actually harder to take a losing team and put it in worse condition. The league with it's draft rules, salary cap and free agency makes it really hard to do that. Dave managed to despite all that. So yes....I KNOW Joe Schoen is better than Dave Gettleman. No, you don't. You don't know shit. Because Joe Schoen has done absolutely jack-all so far. He hasn't even built a roster or had a single draft pick yet. No games have been played and no season to review. So you KNOW exactly nothing about how good a job he will do. You believe that Joe Scheon is better than Dave Gettleman. You don't know. Sorry if reality doesn't align with your fantasy. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 15, 2022 12:57:57 GMT -5
As I said.....It's easy to sign players fans like. It's actually hard to build a winning team. Dave was an all time failure. It's actually harder to take a losing team and put it in worse condition. The league with it's draft rules, salary cap and free agency makes it really hard to do that. Dave managed to despite all that. So yes....I KNOW Joe Schoen is better than Dave Gettleman. Here is all you need to know about the Gucken Fettleman error. He left the team in worse shape cap wise with a qb on a rookie deal and worse O line than he inherited Hard to be worse, but I cannot put it past Mara to find a way. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 15, 2022 13:03:48 GMT -5
Wrong he had plenty of smart moves and left way to much talent on the board during draft time but he has drafted a a couple corner stone type players. His biggest mistake was losing Patience and going on an ill advised spending spree, That we had just recovered from the last ill advised spending spree. Instead of OV and Jenkens it was Golladay and Rudolph. It's easy to pick good players with very high picks. ...or to overpay for talent in free agency. It's much harder to accumulate the right players to build a winning team. Not really that easy for some teams. The Giants haven't been good for years drafting even the first round thats why they have fallen from a playoff contender to door matt. Using free agency to build 99% of the time back fires. Drafting good is really the only way. But more importantly if you can not get a NFL OL you will struggle until you do. Since Dave Diehl, Chris Snee, Shawn Oharra, Kareem McKenzie, Richie Suebert, have left the building the OL has been a problem most of those guys were drafted or found on practice squads from 2003 to 2006. It has been a long while Hopefully Schoen with a forward thinking group around him can this turned around. I think a good start was that he had little money instead manufacturing money he has signed a few lower end starting caliber OLs on team friendly contracts. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 15, 2022 13:05:04 GMT -5
Worst GM in sports history. Just accept it and move on, I know its tough having said that day 1 but it looks the Giants have figured it out That's all we have ... It's what happens when you bring in a prehistoric relic that says what bunch of people wanted to hear that were also stuck in the past .. I have to say he might have been one of tbe worst executives in the history of sports... We are in good hands now,these guys all are forward thinking and understand football in this decade not only in the pros but college and even high school with trends I think Balke is gonna take the throne from him. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 15, 2022 13:08:51 GMT -5
That's all we have ... It's what happens when you bring in a prehistoric relic that says what bunch of people wanted to hear that were also stuck in the past .. I have to say he might have been one of tbe worst executives in the history of sports... We are in good hands now,these guys all are forward thinking and understand football in this decade not only in the pros but college and even high school with trends I think Balke is gonna take the throne from him. If he is part of ruining Lawrence he is in the conversation |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 15, 2022 13:11:47 GMT -5
I think Balke is gonna take the throne from him. If he is part of ruining Lawrence he is in the conversation true how do you grow a QB changing coaches OCs OL coaches and take weapons but don't return new ones. the last 2 are what turned me I usually give 4 years for team building but I was done early year 3. |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 15, 2022 13:26:42 GMT -5
Wrong he had plenty of smart moves and left way to much talent on the board during draft time but he has drafted a a couple corner stone type players. His biggest mistake was losing Patience and going on an ill advised spending spree, That we had just recovered from the last ill advised spending spree. Instead of OV and Jenkens it was Golladay and Rudolph. It's easy to pick good players with very high picks. ...or to overpay for talent in free agency. It's much harder to accumulate the right players to build a winning team.And the right head coaches. |
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 15, 2022 15:16:20 GMT -5
I'm sure he didn't ruin the team on purpose, but people who are not qualified to hold their job titles usually do think they are "doing it" correctly. Gettlemen loved this franchise and I'm sure his failure hurts but he screwed it up no way around it seems he lost his touch did a good job in Carolina and a better job when he was here the first time. He's gone time to get behind Schoen. I don't know this to be fact or just my opinion but I have always felt that Gettleman was led by the nose from the front office and did what he was told to do as a requirement to keeping his job |
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 15, 2022 15:18:51 GMT -5
No really. I have no idea what your point is here. He had a job to do.......Win. He failed miserably. He did the wrong thing at every turn. He tried to build a team of the 20th century in the 21st century. Then he tried to buy his way out of it in 2020, which put us in cap hell with a terrible team. I have no idea what "right thing" he did. doing the right thing means doing what you think is best, and then you sink or swim.. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 15, 2022 15:27:29 GMT -5
Gettlemen loved this franchise and I'm sure his failure hurts but he screwed it up no way around it seems he lost his touch did a good job in Carolina and a better job when he was here the first time. He's gone time to get behind Schoen. I don't know this to be fact or just my opinion but I have always felt that Gettleman was led by the nose from the front office and did what he was told to do as a requirement to keeping his job Who knows could be. I can only look forward right now tho, Schoen seems to be taking precaution not to start backing money up in the system paying for what we can afford we will be better off next year as far as cap goes |
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