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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 7:08:33 GMT -5
I'm going on record....when he busts feel free to let me know I have been going over tape of this guy, and to be honest...he's so dominant due to the level of competition, it's hard to get a gauge. Then you watch him at the senior bowl...all football fans, as well as I, want to watch those fun bully tactics. Then comes the combine, and finally people realize...this giant of a man is as athletic as they come. So you go back and watch some more senior bowl reps, and it jumps out at you. He has almost perfect size and...technique. Add that to the athletic ability, and that beat your ass and make you my biatch attitude, and you have a great starting left/right tackle in the NFL. I also believe of the big 4, at tackle...they have the order backwards. Trevor Penning Charles Cross Evan Neal Ikem Ekwonu I've been taking Ikem in many drafts, but that is with a tackle and he as a guard. The more I watch...sure he has incredible upside ...but his pass blocking is average at best, and who knows if he overcomes the guard measurements and lack of pass pro technique? I still LOVE him at guard...could be pro bowl/all pro ...but at tackle? I don't quite see him as a teams left tackle. As far as Cross...he's got a better shot at OT1 then Neal and Ikem...could also surpass Penning. He too has the size you want, but the area he is incredible are the feet. Best feet I have seen on a tackle were Slater's last year...Cross is longer, and not far behind. H'e a mirror. He is also quite well in run blocking...can do zone and get to the next level as you would expect with those feet...but surprisingly he can pop guys. Neal is a starter, period. He's technical and is I would suggest the finished product. You can't teach after the whistle...and believe me I tried with my son. Penning and Ekwonu were born with it, and Neal and Cross were not. Now the perfect ideal draft would be Penning at right tackle and Ikem at guard. But, look for a cornerback over edge, Sauce...and IMHO, the best pure tackle in this class, Trevor Penning.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 26, 2022 9:31:38 GMT -5
I'm going on record....when he busts feel free to let me know I have been going over tape of this guy, and to be honest...he's so dominant due to the level of competition, it's hard to get a gauge. Then you watch him at the senior bowl...all football fans, as well as I, want to watch those fun bully tactics. Then comes the combine, and finally people realize...this giant of a man is as athletic as they come. So you go back and watch some more senior bowl reps, and it jumps out at you. He has almost perfect size and...technique. Add that to the athletic ability, and that beat your ass and make you my biatch attitude, and you have a great starting left/right tackle in the NFL. I also believe of the big 4, at tackle...they have the order backwards. Trevor Penning Charles Cross Evan Neal Ikem Ekwonu I've been taking Ikem in many drafts, but that is with a tackle and he as a guard. The more I watch...sure he has incredible upside ...but his pass blocking is average at best, and who knows if he overcomes the guard measurements and lack of pass pro technique? I still LOVE him at guard...could be pro bowl/all pro ...but at tackle? I don't quite see him as a teams left tackle. As far as Cross...he's got a better shot at OT1 then Neal and Ikem...could also surpass Penning. He too has the size you want, but the area he is incredible are the feet. Best feet I have seen on a tackle were Slater's last year...Cross is longer, and not far behind. H'e a mirror. He is also quite well in run blocking...can do zone and get to the next level as you would expect with those feet...but surprisingly he can pop guys. Neal is a starter, period. He's technical and is I would suggest the finished product. You can't teach after the whistle...and believe me I tried with my son. Penning and Ekwonu were born with it, and Neal and Cross were not. Now the perfect ideal draft would be Penning at right tackle and Ikem at guard. But, look for a cornerback over edge, Sauce...and IMHO, the best pure tackle in this class, Trevor Penning. All great points Ikems pass pro concerns me also. Cross is a dude his feet are silky smooth and he was recruited as a complete tackle Leach wasn't there when he was recruited. Neal is interesting because when I watch his film the only issue I see with him is balance he is on the ground way to much, I wouldn't be unhappy with any of them. Now Penning I haven't seen enough of him but his size balance and traits most of all to me are elite. think in Neals case a little less weight my help him stay on his feet and be more balanced does that make sense.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 27, 2022 12:45:26 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Penning to like or dislike him, but I do know if we do take him, I hope we traded back at least once first.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 27, 2022 14:58:44 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Penning to like or dislike him, but I do know if we do take him, I hope we traded back at least once first. All I know is his traits are pretty much elite, from what I have read he will need refining technique wise wide hands and things like that.
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 27, 2022 17:05:15 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Penning to like or dislike him, but I do know if we do take him, I hope we traded back at least once first. Trevor Penning is a redshirt senior who aligns at Left Tackle for the Panther offense. good athlete with good explosion and agility to get out on the perimeter. In the run game, he is a nasty and physical player. He has a savage temperament and has finished several plays with the defender on the ground. He is extremely powerful at the point of attack and gets consistent vertical movement in the run game. However, due to his size and inability to bend extremely well, leverage issues are of slight concern against smaller edge defenders. In the passing game, he has been a dominant player in the Missouri Valley Conference. He bends a little at the waist which gets him in trouble at times. He had a couple instances of struggling with the hard inside move by quicker defenders. Although he is a good athlete overall, when he has to move laterally, he has shown instances of struggling. He doesn’t bend exceptionally well, which results in him bending at the waist at times. When his posture isn’t good, it affects his balance while in his pass set. However, he has a powerful punch and is virtually impossible to bull rush. He demonstrates very good length and range and could suffice in the NFL at left tackle. However, he may be a better fit on the right side. Ideal Role: Starting Offensive Tackle Scheme Fit: Power run scheme would suit his skillset best but could play in any scheme FILM EVALUATION Written by Drae Harris Games watched: Iowa State (2021), Southern Illinois (2021), North Dakota State (2021) Best Game Studied: Southern Illinois (2021) Worst Game Studied: Iowa State (2021) Balance: He has reps where his posture isn't consistently at its best. Some of these reps have resulted in him being on the ground. He can bend at the waist at times, as well. But in space and on his sets he carries his frame quite well. Pass Set: He is good overall in his pass set. He has sufficient initial quickness out of his stance. However, when he has to redirect laterally to handle the hard inside move, he can get his body out of position, which could result in holding penalties. Competitive Toughness: He plays the game with an extremely high level of competitive toughness. He has a nasty temperament and plays the game violently. This often results in defenders on the ground. He finishes plays with aggressiveness. Lateral Mobility: Penning is a good athlete overall in terms of explosion and moving in a straight line. However, he’s just a sufficient lateral mover, specifically when reacting to the hard move inside by a defender. He can also get into trouble when he has to redirect on a defender’s counter, which puts his body in compromised positions. Length: He is a 6-foot-7 player with long arms. As a result, his length is very good. He demonstrates the length and range on the perimeter, which makes it very hard to speed rush him. Football IQ: He plays the game with a high-level football IQ. He can identify stunts and games. He plays with his head on a swivel. Hand Technique: His hand placement is good. He does an excellent job of keeping them within the frame. He also has good latch strength in his hands. Anchor: Although he doesn’t bend exceptionally well, he plays with an excellent anchor. He is heavy at the point of attack and has tremendous lower-body strength. He is nearly impossible to bull rush but can be a bit compromised when his posture is bad. Power at POA: He has excellent power at the point of attack. His punch is strong and he does a good job of keeping pass rushers out of his frame. He has tremendous lower-body explosion and it shows in his play. Versatility: He has aligned at both tackle positions at UNI. While I think he could suffice on the left, I think his skill set is ideally suited for the right side. Prospect Comparison: Taylor Lewan (2014 NFL Combine, Tennessee Titans) SCOUT GRADES TDN Consensus: 85.00 (First Round Value) Crabbs Grade: 86.00/100 Marino Grade: 86.50/100 Harris Grade: 84.00/100 Sanchez Grade: 82.00/100 Weissman Grade: 85.50/100 Parson Grade: 86.00/100
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 27, 2022 17:33:00 GMT -5
He's a Taylor Lewan clone imo
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 27, 2022 18:22:00 GMT -5
I don't doubt it. He's the only one I've seen in live action via senior bowl. He looks like a Giant among men. Would have loved to see the other OT's out there but they weren't seniors.
Imagine him and Ikawanu as an OT and Guard combo for years to come. Put Ik at guard because he's athletic enough to pull to anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2022 20:22:41 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Penning to like or dislike him, but I do know if we do take him, I hope we traded back at least once first. I can see a team trading ahead of is to take him...he's not getting out of the top ten...tackles with his skill set never do, Well Slater did...and we passed on him....but that was in more magical times
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 27, 2022 20:34:52 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Penning to like or dislike him, but I do know if we do take him, I hope we traded back at least once first. I can see a team trading ahead of is to take him...he's not getting out of the top ten...tackles with his skill set never do, Well Slater did...and we passed on him....but that was in more magical times Hey now.... Don't go all rbe40 Carson Strong on us over here aris. I like you man. 😆 You really feel this guy is top 10?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2022 20:37:32 GMT -5
I can see a team trading ahead of is to take him...he's not getting out of the top ten...tackles with his skill set never do, Well Slater did...and we passed on him....but that was in more magical times Hey now.... Don't go all rbe40 Carson Strong on us over here aris. I like you man. 😆 I compare Penning to any and all 6'7 inch 325 pound tackles ... if he was 6'4 and 335 pounds, it would not be Penning
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 27, 2022 20:39:37 GMT -5
I'm going on record....when he busts feel free to let me know I have been going over tape of this guy, and to be honest...he's so dominant due to the level of competition, it's hard to get a gauge. Then you watch him at the senior bowl...all football fans, as well as I, want to watch those fun bully tactics. Then comes the combine, and finally people realize...this giant of a man is as athletic as they come. So you go back and watch some more senior bowl reps, and it jumps out at you. He has almost perfect size and...technique. Add that to the athletic ability, and that beat your ass and make you my biatch attitude, and you have a great starting left/right tackle in the NFL. I also believe of the big 4, at tackle...they have the order backwards. Trevor Penning Charles Cross Evan Neal Ikem Ekwonu I've been taking Ikem in many drafts, but that is with a tackle and he as a guard. The more I watch...sure he has incredible upside ...but his pass blocking is average at best, and who knows if he overcomes the guard measurements and lack of pass pro technique? I still LOVE him at guard...could be pro bowl/all pro ...but at tackle? I don't quite see him as a teams left tackle. As far as Cross...he's got a better shot at OT1 then Neal and Ikem...could also surpass Penning. He too has the size you want, but the area he is incredible are the feet. Best feet I have seen on a tackle were Slater's last year...Cross is longer, and not far behind. H'e a mirror. He is also quite well in run blocking...can do zone and get to the next level as you would expect with those feet...but surprisingly he can pop guys. Neal is a starter, period. He's technical and is I would suggest the finished product. You can't teach after the whistle...and believe me I tried with my son. Penning and Ekwonu were born with it, and Neal and Cross were not. Now the perfect ideal draft would be Penning at right tackle and Ikem at guard. But, look for a cornerback over edge, Sauce...and IMHO, the best pure tackle in this class, Trevor Penning. Penning is tough old school type player. Causes guys to lose their cool with his toughness. I too think Ekonwu is a Guard he's 6'4" the smallest of the 4. Small for a OT in todays NFL. I would be quite happy with Penning as our pick.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 27, 2022 20:53:04 GMT -5
Kid definitely has the look and attitude of an NFL tackle. You don’t have to come from a big conference to make it in this league. Jahri Evans is a prime example of that.
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 1, 2022 2:28:01 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Penning to like or dislike him, but I do know if we do take him, I hope we traded back at least once first. yep, he’s OT4, that would be a horrible pick at 5 or 7. With that said, he is one nasty SOB.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 1, 2022 14:16:58 GMT -5
Kid definitely has the look and attitude of an NFL tackle. You don’t have to come from a big conference to make it in this league. Jahri Evans is a prime example of that. Ali Marpet too
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 3, 2022 20:36:13 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Penning to like or dislike him, but I do know if we do take him, I hope we traded back at least once first. I know he is Grabby what I have gleaned so far is that he was the most penalized OL in the country and a lot of it was holding how will he fair against bigger faster more technical defenders that will exploit every technical flaw he has. some scouts like Riaman more don't know if i spelled it right. Think a healthy trade down would be needed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 5:28:28 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Penning to like or dislike him, but I do know if we do take him, I hope we traded back at least once first. I know he is Grabby what I have gleaned so far is that he was the most penalized OL in the country and a lot of it was holding how will he fair against bigger faster more technical defenders that will exploit every technical flaw he has. some scouts like Riaman more don't know if i spelled it right. Think a healthy trade down would be needed. He grabs when his gets beat on the inside move..many rookie tackles are beat on that exact move, and our own Thomas was getting destroyed his rookie season by this. I believe he is athletic enough to fix that move as did Thomas. I noticed many Penning penalties are of the after whistle variety. His ability to learn, correct and practice that new technique is key...I believe he will develop into a pro bowl tackle. Tools are there.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 4, 2022 7:11:22 GMT -5
I know he is Grabby what I have gleaned so far is that he was the most penalized OL in the country and a lot of it was holding how will he fair against bigger faster more technical defenders that will exploit every technical flaw he has. some scouts like Riaman more don't know if i spelled it right. Think a healthy trade down would be needed. He grabs when his gets beat on the inside move..many rookie tackles are beat on that exact move, and our own Thomas was getting destroyed his rookie season by this. I believe he is athletic enough to fix that move as did Thomas. I noticed many Penning penalties are of the after whistle variety. His ability to learn, correct and practice that new technique is key...I believe he will develop into a pro bowl tackle. Tools are there. His athletic traits are top shelf if they draft him they need to know that there is some refinement needed. Not sure if he is a guy you just throw out there right away. Thomas had something a lot of young guys don't have when they have been top dogs, he was mentally and physically tough. I agree on Penning if the GM coaches that interview him trust that he is gonna do the work to over come his flaws who am I not to. Schoen and Daboll Beane trusted that josh Allen would over come deficiencies that not many QB do and he got it done for them. Their trust means something to me, this isn' t Gettlemen or Reese these are coaches and a GM who been their done that, they drafted Brown small school big athletic dude looks like he will unseat Codey Ford who I liked and was wrong on.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 4, 2022 15:43:20 GMT -5
Kid definitely has the look and attitude of an NFL tackle. You don’t have to come from a big conference to make it in this league. Jahri Evans is a prime example of that. Ali Marpet too He was more dominant and Nasty in Senior Bowl practice than Marpet. And I wanted Marpet.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 4, 2022 15:56:36 GMT -5
2:15 mark. You see that rep Ali Marpet had? Trevor Penning did not have one bad rep against a speed rusher. Mind you, I'm not saying he's the best because Evan Neal and Ikwanu would have looked like Gods among men lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 19:41:31 GMT -5
He was more dominant and Nasty in Senior Bowl practice than Marpet. And I wanted Marpet.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 4, 2022 20:18:11 GMT -5
I would love the Giants to pick this guy. Boy would he look good in Blue on opening day.
If I had to match this guys attitude with a NFL team that fits him he has Pittsburgh Steeler written all over him.
The more I see him and read about him the more I like him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 20:35:58 GMT -5
I would love the Giants to pick this guy. Boy would he look good in Blue on opening day. If I had to match this guys attitude with a NFL team that fits him he has Pittsburgh Steeler written all over him. The more I see him and read about him the more I like him. He's only been playing tackle for 3 years....learning, and learning and learning...low floor, huge ceiling. Athletic (he was flying on that 40 at 325 pounds....1.71 split), a natural giant...mean as spit. He will, IMHO, end up being the best right tackle out of the big 4. He has trouble setting his anchor, and that dreaded inside move...he will learn how to handle it, just by coaching and how to recognize it.
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Post by allnygin on Apr 4, 2022 21:05:13 GMT -5
I'm going on record....when he busts feel free to let me know I have been going over tape of this guy, and to be honest...he's so dominant due to the level of competition, it's hard to get a gauge. Then you watch him at the senior bowl...all football fans, as well as I, want to watch those fun bully tactics. Then comes the combine, and finally people realize...this giant of a man is as athletic as they come. So you go back and watch some more senior bowl reps, and it jumps out at you. He has almost perfect size and...technique. Add that to the athletic ability, and that beat your ass and make you my biatch attitude, and you have a great starting left/right tackle in the NFL. I also believe of the big 4, at tackle...they have the order backwards. Trevor Penning Charles Cross Evan Neal Ikem Ekwonu I've been taking Ikem in many drafts, but that is with a tackle and he as a guard. The more I watch...sure he has incredible upside ...but his pass blocking is average at best, and who knows if he overcomes the guard measurements and lack of pass pro technique? I still LOVE him at guard...could be pro bowl/all pro ...but at tackle? I don't quite see him as a teams left tackle. As far as Cross...he's got a better shot at OT1 then Neal and Ikem...could also surpass Penning. He too has the size you want, but the area he is incredible are the feet. Best feet I have seen on a tackle were Slater's last year...Cross is longer, and not far behind. H'e a mirror. He is also quite well in run blocking...can do zone and get to the next level as you would expect with those feet...but surprisingly he can pop guys. Neal is a starter, period. He's technical and is I would suggest the finished product. You can't teach after the whistle...and believe me I tried with my son. Penning and Ekwonu were born with it, and Neal and Cross were not. Now the perfect ideal draft would be Penning at right tackle and Ikem at guard. But, look for a cornerback over edge, Sauce...and IMHO, the best pure tackle in this class, Trevor Penning. I like penning for his phsycality much liked I really liked Teven Jenkins last year. Both are different, but played nasty and I really liked them for that. Also, he's a penalty flag waiting to happen, but that can be fixed. I watched just enough to be wrong about Penning, but to me he seems like more a project at 5-7 no? I still like neal but understand why others do not, and I go back and forth with Ikem and Cross, but maybe you're right. If anything you've inspired me to watch more of his stuff just out of curiosity, I still don't think the giants go that route that early, but if they trade back.... he's totally in play
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 5, 2022 5:42:22 GMT -5
I'm going on record....when he busts feel free to let me know I have been going over tape of this guy, and to be honest...he's so dominant due to the level of competition, it's hard to get a gauge. Then you watch him at the senior bowl...all football fans, as well as I, want to watch those fun bully tactics. Then comes the combine, and finally people realize...this giant of a man is as athletic as they come. So you go back and watch some more senior bowl reps, and it jumps out at you. He has almost perfect size and...technique. Add that to the athletic ability, and that beat your ass and make you my biatch attitude, and you have a great starting left/right tackle in the NFL. I also believe of the big 4, at tackle...they have the order backwards. Trevor Penning Charles Cross Evan Neal Ikem Ekwonu I've been taking Ikem in many drafts, but that is with a tackle and he as a guard. The more I watch...sure he has incredible upside ...but his pass blocking is average at best, and who knows if he overcomes the guard measurements and lack of pass pro technique? I still LOVE him at guard...could be pro bowl/all pro ...but at tackle? I don't quite see him as a teams left tackle. As far as Cross...he's got a better shot at OT1 then Neal and Ikem...could also surpass Penning. He too has the size you want, but the area he is incredible are the feet. Best feet I have seen on a tackle were Slater's last year...Cross is longer, and not far behind. H'e a mirror. He is also quite well in run blocking...can do zone and get to the next level as you would expect with those feet...but surprisingly he can pop guys. Neal is a starter, period. He's technical and is I would suggest the finished product. You can't teach after the whistle...and believe me I tried with my son. Penning and Ekwonu were born with it, and Neal and Cross were not. Now the perfect ideal draft would be Penning at right tackle and Ikem at guard. But, look for a cornerback over edge, Sauce...and IMHO, the best pure tackle in this class, Trevor Penning. I like penning for his phsycality much liked I really liked Teven Jenkins last year. Both are different, but played nasty and I really liked them for that. Also, he's a penalty flag waiting to happen, but that can be fixed. I watched just enough to be wrong about Penning, but to me he seems like more a project at 5-7 no? I still like neal but understand why others do not, and I go back and forth with Ikem and Cross, but maybe you're right. If anything you've inspired me to watch more of his stuff just out of curiosity, I still don't think the giants go that route that early, but if they trade back.... he's totally in play I still like Ekwonu, but like 2 years ago, will not be butt hurt if the Giants think higher of one of the others.
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Post by allnygin on Apr 5, 2022 9:36:42 GMT -5
I like penning for his phsycality much liked I really liked Teven Jenkins last year. Both are different, but played nasty and I really liked them for that. Also, he's a penalty flag waiting to happen, but that can be fixed. I watched just enough to be wrong about Penning, but to me he seems like more a project at 5-7 no? I still like neal but understand why others do not, and I go back and forth with Ikem and Cross, but maybe you're right. If anything you've inspired me to watch more of his stuff just out of curiosity, I still don't think the giants go that route that early, but if they trade back.... he's totally in play I still like Ekwonu, but like 2 years ago, will not be butt hurt if the Giants think higher of one of the others. agreed at this point the giants need a tackle... whichever one they chose or like the most at 5 or 7 that's avialable weather penning, cross, ikem, neal whomever, I don't really care at this point so long as they work out at RT.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 5, 2022 17:10:10 GMT -5
I still like Ekwonu, but like 2 years ago, will not be butt hurt if the Giants think higher of one of the others. agreed at this point the giants need a tackle... whichever one they chose or like the most at 5 or 7 that's avialable weather penning, cross, ikem, neal whomever, I don't really care at this point so long as they work out at RT. Same (FWIW I liked Wirfs the most but also knew he was a long shot as he was pretty much destined f0f RT )
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 5, 2022 17:31:16 GMT -5
I still like Ekwonu, but like 2 years ago, will not be butt hurt if the Giants think higher of one of the others. agreed at this point the giants need a tackle... whichever one they chose or like the most at 5 or 7 that's avialable weather penning, cross, ikem, neal whomever, I don't really care at this point so long as they work out at RT. I'd even go so far as to include Petit-Frere and Raimann in the 2nd round While Ekwonu is my favorite, I really just want them to address RT as well
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 5, 2022 19:18:43 GMT -5
He’s my preferred OL though Eck wouldn’t disappoint me….at all
This dude is going abuse DLineman
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 6, 2022 5:59:52 GMT -5
agreed at this point the giants need a tackle... whichever one they chose or like the most at 5 or 7 that's avialable weather penning, cross, ikem, neal whomever, I don't really care at this point so long as they work out at RT. I'd even go so far as to include Petit-Frere and Raimann in the 2nd round While Ekwonu is my favorite, I really just want them to address RT as well Yep, the draft is a fluid beast, many paths can be taken, and still be good. We don't have DG screwing it up this year, so there's a chance it will go well!!
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Post by vinnie on Apr 14, 2022 14:23:10 GMT -5
I hope you’re right Aris, only if we take him , because I’m just not sold on this guy. I’m not saying he won’t be good at some point but almost all the scouting reports I read of him have a lot more cons than the other 3 tackles. Specifically his balance and technique. Admittedly, I haven’t watched a lot of tape, just going mostly off what I’ve read and you know I don’t place a lot of stock in the Senior Bowl especially since we’re drafted 3 out of the pst 4 MVP’s and they’ve all sucked. I know, I know…a lot of professional scouts do place a lot of value on the Senio bowl and I’m not a scout. Having said that, other than the Senior Bowl, his level of competition is very concerning and the fact that I believe he was tied for the most penalties at 16 against that level of competition is even more concerning. That’s like drafting a handsy CB in college and expecting him to have the same results in the NFL where he’ll get flagged for breathing on a guy too closely. I dunno man, I respect your opinion, agree with the majority of your posts and honestly lean towards your opinion about most players more than my own but this guy doesn’t “do it for me” and makes me a bit nervous. Again, if we draft him, I would love nothing more than to eat crow. If we don’t, let’s hope my instincts are right. Either way, it will be interesting to keep up with him (along with the other 3) wherever the land.
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