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Post by DJones19 on Apr 12, 2022 18:43:44 GMT -5
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 12, 2022 19:05:29 GMT -5
So what I'll take away from this is that Ernie losing John Elway was not Ernie's greatest QB loss; it was picking Ralphing ****ing Brown over Tom Brady.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 12, 2022 20:02:20 GMT -5
The great and stubborn George Young wanted Fassel whereas Mr Mara wanted Parcells back. The same Parcells who wanted Reggie White and really liked Payton. Fassel stripped Payton of his call playing duties years later. Who knows? Maybe Parcells would have listened to Payton.
oh well, we got Eli and now have Jones!!
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 13, 2022 6:24:14 GMT -5
If we drafted Brady, Im not sure he would be an all time great he is today.
#1 Would Brady have an opportunity here as the result of an injury to open the door for him like when Drew Bledsoe went down?
#2 While he played ok his first 4-5 years, the Patriots won in the early/mid 2000s mainly due to the defense and run game. It wasn't until 2007ish that Brady became the "great" QB and took over games.
#3 The development and mentorship from Bill Belichick. We all agree that Belichick is one of the best to ever do it. His game strategies, his personnel choices, his coaching choices, his mentality, ect. Would the Giants be able to reproduce that level of coaching with Jim Fassel?
A part of me saying that I feel who ever the Jets draft at QB has a strong possibility of being a bust is because it matters where you are drafted. It mattered that Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick to the Patriots. If he is the 3rd round pick to the Giants, his career would most likely be very different. (The Giants took Ron Dixon and Brandon Short in the 3rd and 4th rounds that year btw).
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Post by mendy on Apr 14, 2022 10:04:55 GMT -5
The great and stubborn George Young wanted Fassel whereas Mr Mara wanted Parcells back. The same Parcells who wanted Reggie White and really liked Payton. Fassel stripped Payton of his call playing duties years later. Who knows? Maybe Parcells would have listened to Payton. oh well, we got Eli and now have Jones!! If I remember correctly George Young didn't like BB. Bill Parcells wanted BB to take over the Giants and GY said no way that's how we got Handley and when he screwed it up we got Dan Reeves and then Fassel I don't think after the way he left Bill Parcells would have ever come back to the Giants. As for Payton ,Fassel and the Giants did him wrong, as the OC he was blamed for everything and was fired. Might have been the best thing that happen to him. Everyone wanted Reggie White I honestly can't tell you if he was even there when the Giants time to pick. |
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Post by Zimonami on Apr 14, 2022 15:07:31 GMT -5
The great and stubborn George Young wanted Fassel whereas Mr Mara wanted Parcells back. The same Parcells who wanted Reggie White and really liked Payton. Fassel stripped Payton of his call playing duties years later. Who knows? Maybe Parcells would have listened to Payton. oh well, we got Eli and now have Jones!! If I remember correctly George Young didn't like BB. Bill Parcells want BB to take over the Giants and GY said no way that's how we got Handley and when he screwed it up we got Dan Reeves and then Fassel I don't think after the way he left Bill Parcells would have ever come back to the Giants. As for Payton ,Fassel and the Giants did him wrong, as the OC he was blamed for everything and was fired. Might have been the best thing that happen to him. Everyone wanted Reggie White I honestly can't tell you if he was even there when the Giants time to pick. Young and BP had their problems... from what my ears have heard, over disagreements on who to draft. GY and BP wanted different picks, and BP wanted more power cuz Young had last say..... and yes, BP was a staunch supporter of BB and Payton, and they have nicely proven themselves since back then. Fassell was a weak coach, all around. I liked him, but not as HC. Anyways, I wonder if it was a combo of Fassell and Young who took Payton's play calling away. Young was not easy to get along with if you worked for him. |
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Post by imgrate on Apr 14, 2022 20:18:29 GMT -5
Yea, Fassell took playcalling duty away from Payton, but I think yall are thinking of present-day Payton. Didnt we turn the entire season and offense around once Fassell took over play calling?
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 16, 2022 8:16:07 GMT -5
If we drafted Brady, Im not sure he would be an all time great he is today. #1 Would Brady have an opportunity here as the result of an injury to open the door for him like when Drew Bledsoe went down? #2 While he played ok his first 4-5 years, the Patriots won in the early/mid 2000s mainly due to the defense and run game. It wasn't until 2007ish that Brady became the "great" QB and took over games. #3 The development and mentorship from Bill Belichick. We all agree that Belichick is one of the best to ever do it. His game strategies, his personnel choices, his coaching choices, his mentality, ect. Would the Giants be able to reproduce that level of coaching with Jim Fassel? A part of me saying that I feel who ever the Jets draft at QB has a strong possibility of being a bust is because it matters where you are drafted. It mattered that Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick to the Patriots. If he is the 3rd round pick to the Giants, his career would most likely be very different. (The Giants took Ron Dixon and Brandon Short in the 3rd and 4th rounds that year btw). Patriots were more balanced back then..it wasn't just running it,he did throw for 3500-3800 a year especially 2003 and 2004,he was much more than a game manager.He probably was already considered a top qb by then, |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 16, 2022 10:06:12 GMT -5
If we drafted Brady, Im not sure he would be an all time great he is today. #1 Would Brady have an opportunity here as the result of an injury to open the door for him like when Drew Bledsoe went down? #2 While he played ok his first 4-5 years, the Patriots won in the early/mid 2000s mainly due to the defense and run game. It wasn't until 2007ish that Brady became the "great" QB and took over games. #3 The development and mentorship from Bill Belichick. We all agree that Belichick is one of the best to ever do it. His game strategies, his personnel choices, his coaching choices, his mentality, ect. Would the Giants be able to reproduce that level of coaching with Jim Fassel? A part of me saying that I feel who ever the Jets draft at QB has a strong possibility of being a bust is because it matters where you are drafted. It mattered that Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick to the Patriots. If he is the 3rd round pick to the Giants, his career would most likely be very different. (The Giants took Ron Dixon and Brandon Short in the 3rd and 4th rounds that year btw). Patriots were more balanced back then..it wasn't just running it,he did throw for 3500-3800 a year especially 2003 and 2004,he was much more than a game manager.He probably was already considered a top qb by then, I wasn't saying he was a game manager, but he certainly wasn't "Tom Brady" back then either. It depends on your definition of a "top QB". I mean, 2003-2004 QBs like Trent Green and Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks were putting up similar/better numbers. Then you had Peyton who was clearly better at that time, guys like Brett Favre, Dante Culpepper, Donavan McNabb, all up there too. The biggest difference was, they weren't on the Patriots IMO. Now, 2007 and after? Brady certainly turned it up. That's when he really took off and took care of his body and had the motivation to be great. Randy Moss started that train moving statistically. Thats when it all opened up for Brady. What is amazing is, his last 2 years, statistically, were his best since 2007. Wild. |
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Post by giantsfanjames on Jan 9, 2023 11:00:15 GMT -5
The great and stubborn George Young wanted Fassel whereas Mr Mara wanted Parcells back. The same Parcells who wanted Reggie White and really liked Payton. Fassel stripped Payton of his call playing duties years later. Who knows? Maybe Parcells would have listened to Payton. oh well, we got Eli and now have Jones!! If I remember correctly George Young didn't like BB. Bill Parcells wanted BB to take over the Giants and GY said no way that's how we got Handley and when he screwed it up we got Dan Reeves and then Fassel I don't think after the way he left Bill Parcells would have ever come back to the Giants. As for Payton ,Fassel and the Giants did him wrong, as the OC he was blamed for everything and was fired. Might have been the best thing that happen to him. Everyone wanted Reggie White I honestly can't tell you if he was even there when the Giants time to pick. There were rumors that Young didn't like BB from the Parcells camp. The owners had a ton of respect for BB and still talk to him about things today. Parcells waited till all good coaching candidates to be gone then he quit the giants. Never forgave him for the way he handled it. The fact is we never had a shot at BB because by the time Parcells quit on us BB already had a job. |
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Post by mendy on Jan 9, 2023 19:48:37 GMT -5
If I remember correctly George Young didn't like BB. Bill Parcells wanted BB to take over the Giants and GY said no way that's how we got Handley and when he screwed it up we got Dan Reeves and then Fassel I don't think after the way he left Bill Parcells would have ever come back to the Giants. As for Payton ,Fassel and the Giants did him wrong, as the OC he was blamed for everything and was fired. Might have been the best thing that happen to him. Everyone wanted Reggie White I honestly can't tell you if he was even there when the Giants time to pick. There were rumors that Young didn't like BB from the Parcells camp. The owners had a ton of respect for BB and still talk to him about things today. Parcells waited till all good coaching candidates to be gone then he quit the giants. Never forgave him for the way he handled it. The fact is we never had a shot at BB because by the time Parcells quit on us BB already had a job. Not the way it went down. When it was decided that George Young would never hire BB he took the Job in Cleveland. BP made his call later. Blame is all on George Young. |
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