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Post by DandyDon on Oct 3, 2018 13:14:12 GMT -5
I think he is marginally better now and has more upside going forward. At the very least he isnt causing a lot of penalties. But bottom line is Eli still doesnt have a lot of confidence in his RT. On that play that Baldinger criticized in another thread, Wheeler basically caused the checkdown to Shep. There isn't an OLineman in the league that can protect this statue. Maybe at some point you can actually join a conversation and talk about the topic being discussed, instead of having every one of your comments be about Manning. Or maybe not...
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 3, 2018 13:17:14 GMT -5
There isn't an OLineman in the league that can protect this statue. Maybe at some point you can actually join a conversation and talk about the topic being discussed, instead of having every one of your comments be about Manning. Or maybe not... It's too easy to just say he's THE problem, instead of the reality which is that he is simply part of the problem. Tunnel vision.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 13:22:30 GMT -5
There isn't an OLineman in the league that can protect this statue. Maybe at some point you can actually join a conversation and talk about the topic being discussed, instead of having every one of your comments be about Manning. Or maybe not... Your post, that he quoted, brings Eli into the discussion. How is he replying with regard to Eli not relevant?
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Post by Jomo on Oct 3, 2018 13:28:14 GMT -5
This guy got paid a crapload of money but he has not proven his worth at all. Pugh was a better left tackle. Solder gets beat inside and outside on the run and pass. What a waste of cash. You make a good point.
I was never a big fan of Pugh's because I never saw him move a defensive lineman. The only movement I ever saw was in the wrong direction. I was tired of seeing us NEVER convert 3rd and short behind our #1 pick. I believed that throwing even more money at him in FA was really burning cash needlessly.
That said, Solder through 4 games seems no more effective than Pugh at a much higher price tag. I know one is a T and the other a G but we have seen Pugh at tackle and he's no worse than our current LT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 13:41:40 GMT -5
This guy got paid a crapload of money but he has not proven his worth at all. Pugh was a better left tackle. Solder gets beat inside and outside on the run and pass. What a waste of cash. I love how immobile Tom's best OL and blindside protector and the highest paid OL in the league doesn't make our team any better. I wonder why
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 13:44:26 GMT -5
This guy got paid a crapload of money but he has not proven his worth at all. Pugh was a better left tackle. Solder gets beat inside and outside on the run and pass. What a waste of cash. You make a good point.
I was never a big fan of Pugh's because I never saw him move a defensive lineman. The only movement I ever saw was in the wrong direction. I was tired of seeing us NEVER convert 3rd and short behind our #1 pick. I believed that throwing even more money at him in FA was really burning cash needlessly.
That said, Solder through 4 games seems no more effective than Pugh at a much higher price tag. I know one is a T and the other a G but we have seen Pugh at tackle and he's no worse than our current LT.
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Post by Merc on Oct 3, 2018 13:50:16 GMT -5
Maybe at some point you can actually join a conversation and talk about the topic being discussed, instead of having every one of your comments be about Manning. Or maybe not... Your post, that he quoted, brings Eli into the discussion. How is he replying with regard to Eli not relevant? Until this game I have been quite about Eli, hoping with the new Oline things will change this year if he had more time to throw. But his pathetic performance this season against the worst defense in the NFL has finally done it for me. He has the talent around him to score at least 30 points per game. He is rattled by the blitz, doesn't move to get out of the pocket, looks to dump off the ball. My 5 year old granddaughter has better balance, is more mobile and probably would be harder to take the football out of her arms. If enough fans complain, maybe Mara will come to his senses. Unlike another member of this board I don't call a player Footsy as I could just nickname him doofus. But out of respect for his brother and the front office who thought they were drafting the 2nd coming of Peyton, I have let it go.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 3, 2018 15:58:32 GMT -5
Norwell would have been worth paying. That would have given us two absolute maulers inside to run the ball...but then we'd have ereck flowers and and bag of chips getting destroyed on both ends. Instead, we have a serviceable left tackle and a crappy right side. If things stay on course we have a shot to draft Greg Little. Dude will be a ten year stud at tackle. We probably could have drafted Nelson AND Hernandez AND gotten extra picks as well. It would've meant no Saquon, but it might've been pretty great.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Oct 3, 2018 21:00:23 GMT -5
This guy got paid a crapload of money but he has not proven his worth at all. Pugh was a better left tackle. Solder gets beat inside and outside on the run and pass. What a waste of cash. Your not doing your post any favors when you bring up Pugh. I don’t think he ever played a full season the whole time he was here and he was a poor run blocker and an average pass blocker. We really didn’t lose much cause he always had some type of injury. He was considered a vey soft player.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 9:15:29 GMT -5
How many drive killing flags has Wheeler drawn in his 2 starts? How many tripping the player flags? Correct. Wheeler is a huge upgrade over Flowers. Imagine that, and undrafted free agent outplaying a first round bust.
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Post by eliisthebaas on Oct 5, 2018 7:26:57 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. Solder is a good LT. He's not Bakhtiari or Peters but he's still solid which is hard to come by in this league. Theres tiers... Bakh Tyron Williams Peters Whitworth Lewan Armstead Staley Decker Solder Villanueava Glenn Matthews Go through this list and list all the guys better overthecap.com/position/left-tackle/Hes only paid so much because his deal is the newest. As new guys come up theyll get more. The cap moves up.
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Post by bred22 on Oct 5, 2018 7:36:34 GMT -5
This guy got paid a crapload of money but he has not proven his worth at all. Pugh was a better left tackle. Solder gets beat inside and outside on the run and pass. What a waste of cash. Your right lets put Flowers back at LT
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Post by TEM on Oct 5, 2018 8:07:34 GMT -5
This guy got paid a crapload of money but he has not proven his worth at all. Pugh was a better left tackle. Solder gets beat inside and outside on the run and pass. What a waste of cash. Pugh never played LT . So how exactly was he better at that position? FYI: Hernandez is an upgrade over Pugh at LG . If he was so good. Why is he playing RG on The Cardinals? ( the least important position on the O-line) Pugh is only good for one thing . By week 8-12 will solidly be intrenched on the all IR NFL roster.
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Post by Bigjeep on Oct 5, 2018 9:08:47 GMT -5
A desperate team making a desperate FA signing! His best years were behind him and they let him walk. Did we really have a choice? popcorn
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 9:15:27 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. Solder is a good LT. He's not Bakhtiari or Peters but he's still solid which is hard to come by in this league. Theres tiers... Bakh Tyron Williams Peters Whitworth Lewan Armstead Staley Decker Solder Villanueava Glenn Matthews Go through this list and list all the guys better overthecap.com/position/left-tackle/Hes only paid so much because his deal is the newest. As new guys come up theyll get more. The cap moves up. I agree. Solder is one of the least problems with the team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 9:16:40 GMT -5
This guy got paid a crapload of money but he has not proven his worth at all. Pugh was a better left tackle. Solder gets beat inside and outside on the run and pass. What a waste of cash. Pugh never played LT . So how exactly was he better at that position? FYI: Hernandez is an upgrade over Pugh at LG . If he was so good. Why is he playing RG on The Cardinals? ( the least important position on the O-line) Pugh is only good for one thing . By week 8-12 will solidly be intrenched on the all IR NFL roster. Pugh played LT for the Giants in at least one game and I thought it was 2 or 3 after he moved there in the middle of a game. He played better than what we've seen from Solder so far but it was a small sample. He should've been given that spot last year for the handful of games that he would be healthy.
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Post by TEM on Oct 5, 2018 9:25:55 GMT -5
Pugh never played LT . So how exactly was he better at that position? FYI: Hernandez is an upgrade over Pugh at LG . If he was so good. Why is he playing RG on The Cardinals? ( the least important position on the O-line) Pugh is only good for one thing . By week 8-12 will solidly be intrenched on the all IR NFL roster. Pugh played LT for the Giants in at least one game and I thought it was 2 or 3 after he moved there in the middle of a game. He played better than what we've seen from Solder so far but it was a small sample. He should've been given that spot last year for the handful of games that he would be healthy. One game . Ok. If he is so good why is he playing RG not even LG for the cardinals? Because the other 4 are better then he is. Arizona is proving your point to be invalid. FYI their 0-4 . He is the in the lowest position on the O-line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 10:35:34 GMT -5
Pugh played LT for the Giants in at least one game and I thought it was 2 or 3 after he moved there in the middle of a game. He played better than what we've seen from Solder so far but it was a small sample. He should've been given that spot last year for the handful of games that he would be healthy. One game . Ok. If he is so good why is he playing RG not even LG for the cardinals? Because the other 4 are better then he is. Arizona is proving your point to be invalid. FYI their 0-4 . He is the in the lowest position on the O-line. You're pretty funny. All I did was tell you that you the facts and that he did play a good game or two for the Giants at LT. All that other stuff is for you feel good about yourself because it's immaterial.
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Post by TEM on Oct 5, 2018 11:04:23 GMT -5
One game . Ok. If he is so good why is he playing RG not even LG for the cardinals? Because the other 4 are better then he is. Arizona is proving your point to be invalid. FYI their 0-4 . He is the in the lowest position on the O-line. You're pretty funny. All I did was tell you that you the facts and that he did play a good game or two for the Giants at LT. All that other stuff is for you feel good about yourself because it's immaterial. It is not if he were a good LT. Why did the Giants not keep him there? Explain how what I said is immaterial? I would like to know how it is. Everything I said was a fact.
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Post by eliisthebaas on Oct 5, 2018 16:24:36 GMT -5
Pugh never played LT . So how exactly was he better at that position? FYI: Hernandez is an upgrade over Pugh at LG . If he was so good. Why is he playing RG on The Cardinals? ( the least important position on the O-line) Pugh is only good for one thing . By week 8-12 will solidly be intrenched on the all IR NFL roster. Pugh played LT for the Giants in at least one game and I thought it was 2 or 3 after he moved there in the middle of a game. He played better than what we've seen from Solder so far but it was a small sample. He should've been given that spot last year for the handful of games that he would be healthy. No he did not. Your mind is creating false memories. If that were the truth in a league starved for offensive tackles, Pugh would be playing LT and making LT money.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 5, 2018 16:39:17 GMT -5
Pugh was a decent and versatile lineman, my problem was he just couldn't stay healthy and back problems don't just go away.
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Post by Antwuan on Oct 5, 2018 20:13:27 GMT -5
Solder is a good player, but not Great. We had to pay him the money though even if we overpaid him.
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 6, 2018 9:26:40 GMT -5
In this era of FA, almost all FA's are overpaid for in bidding wars. They go where the $$ is in abundance regardless of their true skill set. Raiders overpaid for Larry Brown back in 96' due to his 2 lucky ints in the SB vs O'Donnel who threw them right at him. He stunk as a Raider.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 6, 2018 9:37:10 GMT -5
Solder is a good player, but not Great. We had to pay him the money though even if we overpaid him. Yes, that is the simple truth. The previous regime left the OL cupboard bare. It is the price we have to pay until we can string together a few good drafts in a row.
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Post by TEM on Oct 6, 2018 10:00:32 GMT -5
Solder is a good player, but not Great. We had to pay him the money though even if we overpaid him. I agree . He is an upgrade from what we had. LT no matter how good they are bring big bucks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 8:25:35 GMT -5
Pugh played LT for the Giants in at least one game and I thought it was 2 or 3 after he moved there in the middle of a game. He played better than what we've seen from Solder so far but it was a small sample. He should've been given that spot last year for the handful of games that he would be healthy. No he did not. Your mind is creating false memories. If that were the truth in a league starved for offensive tackles, Pugh would be playing LT and making LT money. Too funny. Pugh certainly played some LT for the Giants in 2015.
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