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Post by Zimonami on Sept 4, 2022 13:17:24 GMT -5
I am both optimist and pessimist this season. So many "ifs". Depending in which way the "ifs" go, positive or negative, will determine the seasons results. At this point they still suck until the don't. Schoen, Daboll and company have lots to do !!! Then you need to change those (4) fingers from "Less" to "????". I'm always an optimist. To me this season is all about learning. Whether that's at 6-11 or 9-8 doesn't matter to me because I feel confident Schoen and Company will learn what they need to learn to fill the gaps and will use a whole lot more cap money and the draft to address those needs. It's next season I'm looking forward to when they've had a little time to fix this shit show. I don't see them drafting a tempting RB, like DG did, when their pressing need might be another OL, or CB.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 4, 2022 13:19:56 GMT -5
I'm actually more optimistic. I was not optimistic at all going in, but at least the team looked like they were prepared for games. Operated like functional units. You know, things we have been missing for 5+ years around here...How many wins that will translate into, I have no clue, but I think it will be a much better look on the field than the discombobulated mess we've been seeing recently. Low, low water mark, I know!! It's a better roster than what we’ve had the last 5 years. When was the last time we could throw out more than 5 relevant names on this team? It also seems to be better managed, which nobody said of the last couple of coaches. If they continue their preseason average of 25 points per games and play mediocre defense, they will not be a bottom-5 team. Define relevant. Maybe Barkley and Williams but we’ve had them for a while, same with Thomas at this point. I don’t know how on earth you can use the pre season as a standard for anything, especially considering our starters hardly played and when they did it was mainly against back ups. How about this, if our starting offense can play against vanilla defenses and back ups in the regular season like they did in the pre season then we may get above .500.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 4, 2022 13:46:00 GMT -5
I hope the comfort we saw in the running game preseason is an early success for us this year. It’s frickin Josh Allen but Buffalo has had their QB score no less than 6 TDs rushing the ball every year for the last 3 years. Jones had 2 last year, I’m hoping the offense spreads the defence thinner across the field and opens lanes up for Jones. I want to see if our running game in the preseason was a mirage. This scares me, discussing our team's running game and the only personnel mentioned is Jones. I don't want to see our running game try to be like that of the Ravens, regardless of how successful they've been with it. Jackson obviously has vision and decision making abilities that Jones lacks. I agree, but I only talked about Jones in the context of the Daboll offensive system that has so much movement and untraditional player alignment that it creates more opportunities for Jones to run. Having to account of his legs helps this system in particular. Personally? If he stays healthy and Jones can think faster in this system, I think Barkley is going to have a pretty big year. Bigger than Jones.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 4, 2022 14:16:23 GMT -5
NY Giants regular season opening day results last 5 years: Broncos: L 27-13 Steelers: L 26-16 Cowboys: L 35-17 Jaguars: L 20-15 Cowboys: L 19-3 In a week we change that!!!
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Post by TEM on Sept 4, 2022 14:52:09 GMT -5
lol - yeah can't find any 🙄. Thought so
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Post by TEM on Sept 4, 2022 14:53:03 GMT -5
Until it is proven they are not. They are. I voted for 7-9 wins. The cap distribution suggests 4-7 wins. I did too, but 7-9 wins would put them more towards the middle of the league than the bottom. I hope you are right.
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 4, 2022 15:57:27 GMT -5
We are already spending 125% of what we make. Inflation is already at 40 year highs. $10k forgiveness is going to be another $500-$900 billion. To cancel all college debt and pay all college fees would be multi trillions. Where are you getting the money? Is it fair to expect 100 million workers that don't go to college to pay for doctors and lawyers loans? College fees are $60 billion a year. That is almost what we're giving to defense contractor to give to Ukraine. No controls of where arms winding up. Good amount of the arms being sold on black market. We need to tax the rich at higher rates and scale down defense expenditures.never any discussion in the press or the Congress of the later. Both neo-cons and neo-libs are against diplomacy. Also scary is that asked his advisers "why do we have nuclear arms if we don't use them?" And Biden reverses the US no first strike policy by saying he no longer believes in a no first strike policy. Don't want to tax lawyers and doctors. Just want tax more the super rich like Jeff Bezos who makes $8 million per hour, and see the US stop subsidizing rich oil companies. Dangerous times we're living in. Back to NY Giants football. Lol the subsidize bezos, Elon musk and bill Gates too. They even subsidize Green energy! And don't forget the biggest lobby in the US the last 20 years (big pharma). They have made major money being subsidized, especially these last two years
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Post by robl on Sept 4, 2022 17:27:55 GMT -5
College fees are $60 billion a year. That is almost what we're giving to defense contractor to give to Ukraine. No controls of where arms winding up. Good amount of the arms being sold on black market. We need to tax the rich at higher rates and scale down defense expenditures.never any discussion in the press or the Congress of the later. Both neo-cons and neo-libs are against diplomacy. Also scary is that asked his advisers "why do we have nuclear arms if we don't use them?" And Biden reverses the US no first strike policy by saying he no longer believes in a no first strike policy. Don't want to tax lawyers and doctors. Just want tax more the super rich like Jeff Bezos who makes $8 million per hour, and see the US stop subsidizing rich oil companies. Dangerous times we're living in. Back to NY Giants football. Lol the subsidize bezos, Elon musk and bill Gates too. They even subsidize Green energy! And don't forget the biggest lobby in the US the last 20 years (big pharma). They have made major money being subsidized, especially these last two years Did I accidentally wander into Off Topic?
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 4, 2022 18:07:32 GMT -5
We are already spending 125% of what we make. Inflation is already at 40 year highs. $10k forgiveness is going to be another $500-$900 billion. To cancel all college debt and pay all college fees would be multi trillions. Where are you getting the money? Is it fair to expect 100 million workers that don't go to college to pay for doctors and lawyers loans? College fees are $60 billion a year. I do not want to go off topic anymore so see your private message. Your number is off by over 90%.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 4, 2022 19:22:57 GMT -5
NY Giants regular season opening day results last 5 years: Broncos: L 27-13 Steelers: L 26-16 Cowboys: L 35-17 Jaguars: L 20-15 Cowboys: L 19-3 Of all those losses the worst was the Broncos game They had closed strong the year before and to lose to a mediocre Broncos team in their own building…. They were never even competitive in that game.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 4, 2022 19:33:56 GMT -5
NY Giants regular season opening day results last 5 years: Broncos: L 27-13 Steelers: L 26-16 Cowboys: L 35-17 Jaguars: L 20-15 Cowboys: L 19-3 Of all those losses the worst was the Broncos game They had closed strong the year before and to lose to a mediocre Broncos team in their own building…. They were never even competitive in that game. They weren't even ready to play. One guy walking to a play. Others clearly gassed.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 4, 2022 20:15:10 GMT -5
Of all those losses the worst was the Broncos game They had closed strong the year before and to lose to a mediocre Broncos team in their own building…. They were never even competitive in that game. They weren't even ready to play. One guy walking to a play. Others clearly gassed. That was the Giants incredible 2021 1st round draft picks first game. After skipping OTA’s during his rookie year, among other controversial issues, Kadarius Toney flashed his skills when he broke out for -2 yards on 2 receptions which was an almost impossible feat to accomplish. When asked about his yardage after the game, Kadarius seemed upbeat and said “kan’t knowonez toz bout wut dey up an up shade dun chirp”.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 5, 2022 7:25:58 GMT -5
the Titans are 22-3 when Henry gets over 100 yards rushing
He also avgs 3.5 yards after first contact and 5 yds pc overal all.
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Post by te88 on Sept 5, 2022 7:36:06 GMT -5
Long term optimist and short term pessimist here.
Giants are still very much in the “short term pain” stage.
I think this is an organizational rebuild on the level of the Browns. There is a lot that needs to change and then time is needed for those changes to take effect.
Gonna be a while.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 5, 2022 7:39:20 GMT -5
I am both optimist and pessimist this season. So many "ifs". Depending in which way the "ifs" go, positive or negative, will determine the seasons results. At this point they still suck until the don't. Schoen, Daboll and company have lots to do !!! Then you need to change those (4) fingers from "Less" to "????". I'm always an optimist. To me this season is all about learning. Whether that's at 6-11 or 9-8 doesn't matter to me because I feel confident Schoen and Company will learn what they need to learn to fill the gaps and will use a whole lot more cap money and the draft to address those needs. It's next season I'm looking forward to when they've had a little time to fix this shit show. I don't see them drafting a tempting RB, like DG did, when their pressing need might be another OL, or CB. no doubt they are trying to get a foundation going this season regardless of the Jones' success. I really want to see at least 7 wins just because a s fans I am so sick of losing and everything that surrounds that. All the media crap for better or worse. Sick of trying to filter out the positives in all the losses. I agree it seems like a smart group. Bottom line is JS and BD are betting their careers on turning this team around. I feel they will not be taking any huge risks and will want to be pretty sure of every move they make. Well the one HUGE risk they took is accepting the jobs to work in this org!!!
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Post by GameTime on Sept 5, 2022 8:08:45 GMT -5
Long term optimist and short term pessimist here.Giants are still very much in the “short term pain” stage. I think this is an organizational rebuild on the level of the Browns. There is a lot that needs to change and then time is needed for those changes to take effect. Gonna be a while. awesome.....great description.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 5, 2022 8:14:22 GMT -5
Long term optimist and short term pessimist here.Giants are still very much in the “short term pain” stage. I think this is an organizational rebuild on the level of the Browns. There is a lot that needs to change and then time is needed for those changes to take effect. Gonna be a while. awesome.....great description. Any playoff appearance in less than 3 years including this one is gravy to me. How can a team wind up with so little talent and salary cap issues to boot?
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Post by GameTime on Sept 5, 2022 8:21:36 GMT -5
awesome.....great description. Any playoff appearance in less than 3 years including this one is gravy to me. How can a team wind up with so little talent and salary cap issues to boot? also poorly coached. poor management all the way around
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 5, 2022 8:30:07 GMT -5
the Titans are 22-3 when Henry gets over 100 yards rushing He also avgs 3.5 yards after first contact and 5 yds pc overal all. damn.... If he is still as good as he was that part may be tough on the linebackers and DBs. Still we will win.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 5, 2022 8:32:55 GMT -5
Any playoff appearance in less than 3 years including this one is gravy to me. How can a team wind up with so little talent and salary cap issues to boot? also poorly coached. poor management all the way around You left out that we put our trainer in the Ring of Honor and have had the most guys of any team in the league on DL over the past decade. Not laying it all at his feet but..... You can't make this stuff up....at least I can't.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 5, 2022 8:48:55 GMT -5
the Titans are 22-3 when Henry gets over 100 yards rushing He also avgs 3.5 yards after first contact and 5 yds pc overal all. damn.... If he is still as good as he was that part may be tough on the linebackers and DBs. Still we will win. RBs tend to fall off quickly but even a watered down version of Henry is better than most.
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Post by miggs on Sept 5, 2022 8:54:20 GMT -5
The Titans game is not a must win game.
If the Giants lose it will be do to the negative posters casting on the Giants bad karma.
Do have confidence that the Giants offense will play extremely well.
Would have them same confidence in the Giants winning if defensive line is not missing two starters, and if we had a better handle on how good the Giants linebacker are
Defensive backfield has been up-graded. How long it will take for them to play in sync is unknown.If the defensive line and linebackers play well, the Giants should win.
We should get a better sense from the Titan game how good the Giants can be.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 5, 2022 8:58:33 GMT -5
The Titans game is not a must win game. If the Giants lose it will be do to the negative posters casting on the Giants bad karma. Do have confidence that the Giants offense will play extremely well. Would have them same confidence in the defense if defensive line is not missing two starters, and if we had handle on how good the Giants linebacker are. Defensive backfield has been up-graded. How long it will take for them to play in sync is unknown. If the defensive line and linebackers play well, the Giants should win. We should get a better sense from the Titan game how good the Giants can be. 1. We are not going to lose. 2. I do think its a tone setting game but not must win. 3. Winning and losing will not be because of negative fans. Its in Tenn so our fans will make little difference.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 5, 2022 9:03:10 GMT -5
The Titans game is not a must win game. If the Giants lose it will be do to the negative posters casting on the Giants bad karma. Do have confidence that the Giants offense will play extremely well. Would have them same confidence in the Giants winning if defensive line is not missing two starters, and if we had a better handle on how good the Giants linebacker are Defensive backfield has been up-graded. How long it will take for them to play in sync is unknown.If the defensive line and linebackers play well, the Giants should win. We should get a better sense from the Titan game how good the Giants can be. This just might be one of the most ridiculous things ever posted here. Congrats,with the usual hot take suspects that spew around here this is indeed an accomplishment
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Post by miggs on Sept 5, 2022 9:10:07 GMT -5
The Titans game is not a must win game. If the Giants lose it will be do to the negative posters casting on the Giants bad karma. Do have confidence that the Giants offense will play extremely well. Would have them same confidence in the defense if defensive line is not missing two starters, and if we had handle on how good the Giants linebacker are. Defensive backfield has been up-graded. How long it will take for them to play in sync is unknown. If the defensive line and linebackers play well, the Giants should win. We should get a better sense from the Titan game how good the Giants can be. 1. We are not going to lose. 2. I do think its a tone setting game but not must win. 3. Winning and losing will not be because of negative fans. Its in Tenn so our fans will make little difference. Las Vegas virtually always gives home team a 3-points advantage just because their playing at home. Fact that Titans favored by only 5 1/2 points tells me that Las Vegas has doubts about the Titans. Titan fans won't have an influence on the Giants. Will have on the refs. Watch penalty calls. So you have confidence in the "X" man, Crowder and Coughlin?
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Post by miggs on Sept 5, 2022 9:17:09 GMT -5
The Titans game is not a must win game. If the Giants lose it will be do to the negative posters casting on the Giants bad karma. Do have confidence that the Giants offense will play extremely well. Would have them same confidence in the Giants winning if defensive line is not missing two starters, and if we had a better handle on how good the Giants linebacker are Defensive backfield has been up-graded. How long it will take for them to play in sync is unknown.If the defensive line and linebackers play well, the Giants should win. We should get a better sense from the Titan game how good the Giants can be. This just might be one of the most ridiculous things ever posted here. Congrats,with the usual hot take suspects that spew around here this is indeed an accomplishment Work on recognizing humor. Lighten up.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 5, 2022 9:17:29 GMT -5
1. We are not going to lose. 2. I do think its a tone setting game but not must win. 3. Winning and losing will not be because of negative fans. Its in Tenn so our fans will make little difference. Las Vegas virtually always gives home team a 3-points advantage just because their playing at home. Fact that Titans favored by only 5 1/2 points tells me that Las Vegas has doubts about the Titans. Titan fans won't have an influence on the Giants. Will have on the refs. Watch penalty calls. So you have confidence in the "X" man, Crowder and Coughlin? Vegas is not predicting a won or loss with odds. They are determining a points spread. 5 1/5 points is 5 1/2 points. My confidence is neither here nor there. The reg season has to unfold first
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Post by miggs on Sept 5, 2022 9:31:24 GMT -5
Las Vegas virtually always gives home team a 3-points advantage just because their playing at home. Fact that Titans favored by only 5 1/2 points tells me that Las Vegas has doubts about the Titans. Titan fans won't have an influence on the Giants. Will have on the refs. Watch penalty calls. So you have confidence in the "X" man, Crowder and Coughlin? Vegas is not predicting a won or loss with odds. They are determining a points spread. 5 1/5 points is 5 1/2 points. My confidence is neither here nor there. The reg season has to unfold first I guess you're not aware that 3 of the 5 1/2 points is because the Titans are playing at home.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 5, 2022 9:33:45 GMT -5
Vegas is not predicting a won or loss with odds. They are determining a points spread. 5 1/5 points is 5 1/2 points. My confidence is neither here nor there. The reg season has to unfold first I guess you're not aware that 3 of the 5 1/2 points is because the Titans are playing at home. dont care..and I am aware. I care about wins and losses. See what happens next Sunday
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 5, 2022 9:45:45 GMT -5
1. We are not going to lose. 2. I do think its a tone setting game but not must win. 3. Winning and losing will not be because of negative fans. Its in Tenn so our fans will make little difference. Las Vegas virtually always gives home team a 3-points advantage just because their playing at home. Fact that Titans favored by only 5 1/2 points tells me that Las Vegas has doubts about the Titans. Titan fans won't have an influence on the Giants. Will have on the refs. Watch penalty calls. So you have confidence in the "X" man, Crowder and Coughlin? Every team has some weak spots. Like the saying goes, "on any given Sunday". I'm confident that our good will outweigh our bad. May even be good for our young team to open on the road.
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