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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 9:05:17 GMT -5
I still have concern because Saquon went off for 2000 combined and 12 TDs as a rookie and in year 2 went off for 1400 combined and 7 TDs and we still sucked. Hopefully as you said the passing game can make it happen need to be multi dimensional these days. Barkley, or any player's contributions, have to part of the game and not the whole game. Like you said mutli-dimensional but also having success. Exactly. All I'm saying really this will be the first time in college or NFL that he might run behind an average run blocking line, he is a special runner and receiver wasting away, they need to help DJ him and the WRs reach their full potential. He should be chipping and getting into the pattern sure that will be how Daboll will uses him. question is can our WRs block enough and or garner enough respect to have that short stuff open.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 9:08:35 GMT -5
His inability to pick up the blitz and actually stop the player drops him down a few pegs when it comes to best back in the league.. I also feel his vision is lacking but don't let this stop you from crowning him.. I won't lol, when healthy with no OL he had some Numbers the were in the top 5 in league history. Smart coaches would be using him right not waisting him. You are way off with this exaggeration..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 9:10:58 GMT -5
A team like the NYGs at this point cant afford to make many mistakes. Especially giving the ball away. I see Jones being harassed all day by Simmons, Autry, Dupree etc. Will be a relatively low scoring game. NYGs lucky to get 23 points IMO. That will be more than their average last season but not enough. That’s the whole thing. I’m not measuring this game by the score. How do we look? Did we run the ball reasonably well? Did we move the ball well? Did we limit Henry and Tannenhill from their typical performance. Did we score more in the red zone that we did last year? Did we make the Titans execute to win or did we have it to them? There’s gonna be a bunch of old school reaction on here. “All that matter is did we win or lose”? That’s a relevant discussion for a decent team trying to take the next step. We’re not a decent team yet. That requires a lens of evaluation that doesn’t come out a Nike commercial. I was gonna say that. Can they keep Henry from embarrassing them and limit the Titans passing game, can they find away to get that front blocked up enough to A run it reasonably well, B give Jones the time he needs. This isn't gonna be preseason they are gonna sit on that short stuff with disguised coverages and also bring it with games and run blitzs. this will not be easy to keep it respectable.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 9:17:32 GMT -5
I won't lol, when healthy with no OL he had some Numbers the were in the top 5 in league history. Smart coaches would be using him right not waisting him. You are way off with this exaggeration.. not really read it a while back there are several number in his first 2 years combined that he was top 5 in. I know all tha Gettlemen hate now goes on this kid he is a special talent unfortunately for him he landed here as the #2 pick when they could have traded down and got Nelson to have the way and Barkely afterwards thats not his fault. LOL it is funny before him they would rush for 6 /7/ 800 yards a year. His first 2 years 3400 and change combined and 19 TDs. his issue is health not talent, all do respect I don't even remember the categories but there were several and most were top 3.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2022 9:19:49 GMT -5
I worry about the LG and Center caving way too often for the NYGs. The Titans front is still a big threat and Thomas will have his hands full with Dupree. I really cant see any part of the NYGs game, on O or D, dominating. Thats not to say they cant win and play a solid game overall. Simons is gonna be a huge problem, he is who Arron Donald was in his prime there is no one on one blocker on our interior that can handle him alone not manny in the league can, Thats why this is much more then Henry verses Barkely, The Titans OL can run block they can open DLs and LBs and our DL is formidable but our LBs are not terrible but also nothing to fear on the interior. in the end hate to say we are out gunned by teams that are top 2 type seeds in the payoffs. Simmons, Autry and Dupree will be a handful. They have a very good D all the way around
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Post by miggs on Sept 9, 2022 9:23:53 GMT -5
Giants going to attack the whole field with passes and runs based on quick openers.
Titan line-backers can't stay with Barkley, Robinson, Toney, and Shepard.
Most sportswriters believe Henry will allow Titans to control the time of possession.
I believe the four Giants players I named above plus Golladay, and Breida will allow the Giants win the time of possession battle.
In the end, the Giants defense may well determine the outcome of the game.
The defense is more likely to improve overtime as I believe the Giants offense be a well running oil machine from the get-go and barring injuries, will remain so throughout the season. We've seen that already in team scrimmages and in 3 pre-season games.
The Titans defense is a good one, but not much they can do against a dynamic quick hitting offense based on more speed than the Titans defense has to cope with.
We'll know soon enough.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 9:24:52 GMT -5
I still have concern because Saquon went off for 2000 combined and 12 TDs as a rookie and in year 2 went off for 1400 combined and 7 TDs and we still sucked. Hopefully as you said the passing game can make it happen need to be multi dimensional these days. Barkley, or any player's contributions, have to part of the game and not the whole game. Like you said mutli-dimensional but also having success. That has been the biggest issue here going back to OBJ it has been a one man show. last time they had a balanced offense was Cruz Nicks ManninghamWRs Jacobs and Bradshaw RBs. Every time they have been a contender for a number of years it was like that just different names.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2022 9:27:48 GMT -5
Giants going to attack the whole field with passes and runs based on quick openers. Titan line-backers can't stay with Barkley, Robinson, Toney, and Shepard. Most sportswriters believe Henry will allow Titans to control the time of possession. I believe the four Giants players I named above plus Gollaway and Breida will allow the Giants win the time of possession battle. In the end, the Giants defense may well determine the outcome of the game. The defense is more likely to improve overtime as I believe the Giants offense be a well running oil machine from the get-go and barring injuries, will remain so throughout the season. We've seen that already in team scrimmages and I'm 3 pre-season games. We'll know soon enough. please get his ****ing name right for once. Unless you are doing for a joke then its getting old. Kenny Golladayand yes we will know soon enough.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 9:28:05 GMT -5
Simons is gonna be a huge problem, he is who Arron Donald was in his prime there is no one on one blocker on our interior that can handle him alone not manny in the league can, Thats why this is much more then Henry verses Barkely, The Titans OL can run block they can open DLs and LBs and our DL is formidable but our LBs are not terrible but also nothing to fear on the interior. in the end hate to say we are out gunned by teams that are top 2 type seeds in the payoffs. Simmons, Autry and Dupree will be a handful. They have a very good D all the way around Exactly this isn't Henry VS Barkely the Titans trump us on the OL and front 7. be nice if they can control him to some degree and get after Tannihill. I expect our new offense and defense to have issues with these 2 fronts on both sides of the ball.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2022 9:29:00 GMT -5
Barkley, or any player's contributions, have to part of the game and not the whole game. Like you said mutli-dimensional but also having success. That has been the biggest issue here going back to OBJ it has been a one man show. last time they had a balanced offense was Cruz Nicks ManninghamWRs Jacobs and Bradshaw RBs. Every time they have been a contender for a number of years it was like that just different names. yep.....they need an even game across the board on offense. Of course they need to create that situation by moving the chains
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 9:34:01 GMT -5
That has been the biggest issue here going back to OBJ it has been a one man show. last time they had a balanced offense was Cruz Nicks ManninghamWRs Jacobs and Bradshaw RBs. Every time they have been a contender for a number of years it was like that just different names. yep.....they need an even game across the board on offense. Of course they need to create that situation by moving the chains I'm just shell shocked from the last several years running against stacked boxes and running slants right into them also. Intro mediate completions are key as Legacy said earlier, The Bills did this to the Rams last night kept it short to intermediate first half ran it effectively, when the Rams started trying to sit on that stuff they opened it up and ate their lunch on them hitting several big plays.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 9:43:23 GMT -5
You are way off with this exaggeration.. not really read it a while back there are several number in his first 2 years combined that he was top 5 in. I know all tha Gettlemen hate now goes on this kid he is a special talent unfortunately for him he landed here as the #2 pick when they could have traded down and got Nelson to have the way and Barkely afterwards thats not his fault. LOL it is funny before him they would rush for 6 /7/ 800 yards a year. His first 2 years 3400 and change combined and 19 TDs. his issue is health not talent, all do respect I don't even remember the categories but there were several and most were top 3. That's not what you said. Taking his 1st two year stats and bragging he's a all time top 5 back in the NFL is a cherry picked stat.. It's a completely different parameter then being an all time top back in the league when healthy. I'm always curious why fans care about a rookie or 2nd,3rd hey why not 4th year in the league stats are and where they rank.. Please stop it with the Getty hate as being the reason to not like him.. You are better than this nonsense..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 9:45:04 GMT -5
Giants going to attack the whole field with passes and runs based on quick openers. Titan line-backers can't stay with Barkley, Robinson, Toney, and Shepard. Most sportswriters believe Henry will allow Titans to control the time of possession. I believe the four Giants players I named above plus Gollaway and Breida will allow the Giants win the time of possession battle. In the end, the Giants defense may well determine the outcome of the game. The defense is more likely to improve overtime as I believe the Giants offense be a well running oil machine from the get-go and barring injuries, will remain so throughout the season. We've seen that already in team scrimmages and I'm 3 pre-season games. We'll know soon enough. please get his ****ing name right for once. Unless you are doing for a joke then its getting old. Kenny Golladayand yes we will know soon enough. Baby steps..Learning the quoting function is the start..
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2022 9:48:29 GMT -5
please get his ****ing name right for once. Unless you are doing for a joke then its getting old. Kenny Golladayand yes we will know soon enough. Baby steps..Learning the quoting function is the start.. this true. I should have given miggs props for that.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2022 9:51:19 GMT -5
yep.....they need an even game across the board on offense. Of course they need to create that situation by moving the chains I'm just shell shocked from the last several years running against stacked boxes and running slants right into them also. Intro mediate completions are key as Legacy said earlier, The Bills did this to the Rams last night kept it short to intermediate first half ran it effectively, when the Rams started trying to sit on that stuff they opened it up and ate their lunch on them hitting several big plays. Will b a very touch and go game to start. Feeling out what each team will do.
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Post by Nite on Sept 9, 2022 9:57:33 GMT -5
Ya know SQB would do this in college and in the next game (or next quarter) get stoned for 28 yds on 13 carries.... Looks good on paper tho' Just a little rain on your sunshine, you can thank me later No rain here give the man an offensive line best back in the league. Well if no rain then your options are: snow, hail, comets, meteorites and my ex-mother-in-law....
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Post by Nite on Sept 9, 2022 10:01:00 GMT -5
If they trade both SQB and DJ in the same season (or after, or after both goes on IR or...) then... Holy shit!, all of their relatives on this board will go completely crackers
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Post by miggs on Sept 9, 2022 10:01:31 GMT -5
I'll work on proof reading.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 10:04:42 GMT -5
Baby steps..Learning the quoting function is the start.. this true. I should have given miggs props for that. I did that when he started but then again he thinks I'm a 9 year old..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 10:13:23 GMT -5
No rain here give the man an offensive line best back in the league. Well if no rain then your options are: snow, hail, comets, meteorites and my ex-mother-in-law.... lol nighty night my friend.
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Post by Nite on Sept 9, 2022 10:16:08 GMT -5
Well if no rain then your options are: snow, hail, comets, meteorites and my ex-mother-in-law.... lol nighty night my friend. Its important to get enough sleep. Just remember naps are good, narcolepsy is bad especially if you are driving on the highway
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 10:25:22 GMT -5
not really read it a while back there are several number in his first 2 years combined that he was top 5 in. I know all tha Gettlemen hate now goes on this kid he is a special talent unfortunately for him he landed here as the #2 pick when they could have traded down and got Nelson to have the way and Barkely afterwards thats not his fault. LOL it is funny before him they would rush for 6 /7/ 800 yards a year. His first 2 years 3400 and change combined and 19 TDs. his issue is health not talent, all do respect I don't even remember the categories but there were several and most were top 3. That's not what you said. Taking his 1st two year stats and bragging he's a all time top 5 back in the NFL is a cherry picked stat.. It's a completely different parameter then being an all time top back in the league when healthy. I'm always curious why fans care about a rookie or 2nd,3rd hey why not 4th year in the league stats are and where they rank.. Please stop it with the Getty hate as being the reason to not like him.. You are better than this nonsense.. I believe I did say his first 2 years I'm not bragging. his last 2 years year 3 he played 4.5 QTs of football can't take much from that and year four once he was healthy he stepped on someones foot and was hobbled the rest of the way. Not busting on you but if I didn't say his first 2 years then I am sorry thought I did maybe I said when healthy because that was the only time he was, my apologies. The Getty thing is fact most getty haters hate his picks along with him just how it is. I want to see how people Judge Schoens picks in the first 5 or 6 games with Getties guys were labeled busts before they got a uni lol. Also when Getty traded old over paid guys he got torched . Schoen Cut Martinez and Ryan with almost 0 cap relief and ton of dead money not a peep. Don't get me wrong I like Schoen and like what he is doing but there is a double standard.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 10:31:48 GMT -5
That's not what you said. Taking his 1st two year stats and bragging he's a all time top 5 back in the NFL is a cherry picked stat.. It's a completely different parameter then being an all time top back in the league when healthy. I'm always curious why fans care about a rookie or 2nd,3rd hey why not 4th year in the league stats are and where they rank.. Please stop it with the Getty hate as being the reason to not like him.. You are better than this nonsense.. I believe I did say his first 2 years I'm not bragging. his last 2 years year 3 he played 4.5 QTs of football can't take much from that and year four once he was healthy he stepped on someones foot and was hobbled the rest of the way. Not busting on you but if I didn't say his first 2 years then I am sorry thought I did maybe I said when healthy because that was the only time he was, my apologies. The Getty thing is fact most getty haters hate his picks along with him just how it is. I want to see how people Judge Schoens picks in the first 5 or 6 games with Getties guys were labeled busts before they got a uni lol. Also when Getty traded old over paid guys he got torched . Schoen Cut Martinez and Ryan with almost 0 cap relief and ton of dead money not a peep. Don't get me wrong I like Schoen and like what he is doing but there is a double standard. We will have to disagree about this since I'm the president of the Getty haters club and I don't recall any members making this claim. Schoen didn't get blasted for cutting those two players because they just aren't good anymore and I am under the impression that's what each player wanted.. You have some wild theories that I disagree with..
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 9, 2022 10:43:09 GMT -5
That’s the whole thing. I’m not measuring this game by the score. How do we look? Did we run the ball reasonably well? Did we move the ball well? Did we limit Henry and Tannenhill from their typical performance. Did we score more in the red zone that we did last year? Did we make the Titans execute to win or did we have it to them? There’s gonna be a bunch of old school reaction on here. “All that matter is did we win or lose”? That’s a relevant discussion for a decent team trying to take the next step. We’re not a decent team yet. That requires a lens of evaluation that doesn’t come out a Nike commercial. I was gonna say that. Can they keep Henry from embarrassing them and limit the Titans passing game, can they find away to get that front blocked up enough to A run it reasonably well, B give Jones the time he needs. This isn't gonna be preseason they are gonna sit on that short stuff with disguised coverages and also bring it with games and run blitzs. this will not be easy to keep it respectable. Exactly. It was interesting to watch buffalo last night. Allen was diagnosing coverage so fast. The windows/lanes he had to throw in were narrow and closed quickly. Singletary had lanes to run in and got stopped behind the line more than a few times. But he basically chewed up 4-5 yards per touch which meant those short throws kept moving the chains. Then by the 2nd half the big plays over the top became available as the Rams got desperate to stop the death of a thousand little cuts. It showed me what a mountain DJ has to climb. I think he has talent at the position and skills he can leverage to beat defenses, but quickly diagnosing coverage isn’t one of the talents I’d say he has yet.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2022 10:58:54 GMT -5
I was gonna say that. Can they keep Henry from embarrassing them and limit the Titans passing game, can they find away to get that front blocked up enough to A run it reasonably well, B give Jones the time he needs. This isn't gonna be preseason they are gonna sit on that short stuff with disguised coverages and also bring it with games and run blitzs. this will not be easy to keep it respectable. Exactly. It was interesting to watch buffalo last night. Allen was diagnosing coverage so fast. The windows/lanes he had to throw in were narrow and closed quickly. Singletary had lanes to run in and got stopped behind the line more than a few times. But he basically chewed up 4-5 yards per touch which meant those short throws kept moving the chains. Then by the 2nd half the big plays over the top became available as the Rams got desperate to stop the death of a thousand little cuts. It showed me what a mountain DJ has to climb. I think he has talent at the position and skills he can leverage to beat defenses, but quickly diagnosing coverage isn’t one of the talents I’d say he has yet. in Allen's 3rd season you could see he was starting to get that skill down and last year of course totally turned the corner to become a great NFL QB. We all want to see DJ takes steps forward this season. Significant steps. One positive observation is that Jones handles the RPOs pretty good so that in itself takes some quick coverage diagnosis.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 12:01:38 GMT -5
I was gonna say that. Can they keep Henry from embarrassing them and limit the Titans passing game, can they find away to get that front blocked up enough to A run it reasonably well, B give Jones the time he needs. This isn't gonna be preseason they are gonna sit on that short stuff with disguised coverages and also bring it with games and run blitzs. this will not be easy to keep it respectable. Exactly. It was interesting to watch buffalo last night. Allen was diagnosing coverage so fast. The windows/lanes he had to throw in were narrow and closed quickly. Singletary had lanes to run in and got stopped behind the line more than a few times. But he basically chewed up 4-5 yards per touch which meant those short throws kept moving the chains. Then by the 2nd half the big plays over the top became available as the Rams got desperate to stop the death of a thousand little cuts. It showed me what a mountain DJ has to climb. I think he has talent at the position and skills he can leverage to beat defenses, but quickly diagnosing coverage isn’t one of the talents I’d say he has yet. i think that this offense gives them quick options based on pre snap reads thats what all the motion is about now they disguise a lot no more preseason Vanilla.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2022 12:03:52 GMT -5
Exactly. It was interesting to watch buffalo last night. Allen was diagnosing coverage so fast. The windows/lanes he had to throw in were narrow and closed quickly. Singletary had lanes to run in and got stopped behind the line more than a few times. But he basically chewed up 4-5 yards per touch which meant those short throws kept moving the chains. Then by the 2nd half the big plays over the top became available as the Rams got desperate to stop the death of a thousand little cuts. It showed me what a mountain DJ has to climb. I think he has talent at the position and skills he can leverage to beat defenses, but quickly diagnosing coverage isn’t one of the talents I’d say he has yet. i think that this offense gives them quick options based on pre snap reads thats what all the motion is about now they disguise a lot no more preseason Vanilla. Def excited to see something fresh and modern. See if the players can pull it off
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Post by jaymas on Sept 9, 2022 12:06:03 GMT -5
Barkley, or any player's contributions, have to part of the game and not the whole game. Like you said mutli-dimensional but also having success. That has been the biggest issue here going back to OBJ it has been a one man show. last time they had a balanced offense was Cruz Nicks ManninghamWRs Jacobs and Bradshaw RBs. Every time they have been a contender for a number of years it was like that just different names. While I don't disagree with the premise of this, The Giants were the 32 ranked rushing offense in 2011. Got better in the playoffs. So thank God we had those three at WR or that truly would have been one dimensional.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 12:15:19 GMT -5
I believe I did say his first 2 years I'm not bragging. his last 2 years year 3 he played 4.5 QTs of football can't take much from that and year four once he was healthy he stepped on someones foot and was hobbled the rest of the way. Not busting on you but if I didn't say his first 2 years then I am sorry thought I did maybe I said when healthy because that was the only time he was, my apologies. The Getty thing is fact most getty haters hate his picks along with him just how it is. I want to see how people Judge Schoens picks in the first 5 or 6 games with Getties guys were labeled busts before they got a uni lol. Also when Getty traded old over paid guys he got torched . Schoen Cut Martinez and Ryan with almost 0 cap relief and ton of dead money not a peep. Don't get me wrong I like Schoen and like what he is doing but there is a double standard. We will have to disagree about this since I'm the president of the Getty haters club and I don't recall any members making this claim. Schoen didn't get blasted for cutting those two players because they just aren't good anymore and I am under the impression that's what each player wanted.. You have some wild theories that I disagree with.. Are you now I think there are some with more hate than you in there little pinky lol. Not theories facts are real, actually Ryan was a bit ticked they cut him. I read the boards 4 / 5 / 6 games guys calling 3rd rounders busts Thomas he was getting flamed. Gettlemen who screwed him self did right by the owners the 1st year he kept most of the high priced guys around for 4 or 5 games October they started trading the over the hill gang got some picks for salary relief then let Collins walk for a ridiculous 14 mill per and he never played up to it but he got ripped for it. Dan Gaziano ripped him for letting Collins walk along with half this board and other talking heads. Also when he traded Snacks I got ripped for saying they were trying to get a younger better player on the field in Tomlinson, Snacks was done when they traded him he lasted 2 more years one good the other not so much. just saying I don't make it up it is what I see and read. were always good my friend we don't have to agree just keep on rotting for the Giants.!!!GO GIANTS
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2022 12:18:14 GMT -5
i think that this offense gives them quick options based on pre snap reads thats what all the motion is about now they disguise a lot no more preseason Vanilla. Def excited to see something fresh and modern. See if the players can pull it off So am I just think it might look more like them trying but who knows maybe it will click right away.
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