Jonathan Casillas on Eli Apple (and Ben McAdoo)

[Roosevelt]

[JoeBigBlue]

Not surprised at all.

[Kruunch]

I said it from jump, Apple is a pussy who felt entitled his rookie season. Casillas is saying what all of us already knew. I’m shocked no one remolded his face after letting Harris get decapitated.

[moecoastie]

"im not gonna say anything negative about him but...."

We all know what was gonna happen as soon as he said "but"

Brandon was SOOOoooOOO faded during this it was so funny!

[nyg2]

It's crazy how one guy, particularly who was a rookie, can make an entire locker room toxic and how much Ben McAdoo let him get away with. Looking back on it now, it's kind of a miracle how we ever went 11-5 that season because there was so much dysfunction around the team and guys were at each other's throats.

Casillas on Apple: "When he was playing for the Giants, and no offense to his mom, but his mom was always around, he was a little brat. And he was a young kid trying to play in a grown man's league...and he didn't know what he was doing."

Casillas on McAdoo: "Some things that happened early in the season in 2016 he kind of let slide and then the next year, and stuff hit the fan it was too late to start disciplining people, it was way too late you should've did it in 2016".

[JoeBigBlue]

While the Giants were a bad team for a few years already, 2016 was like the powder keg that finally exploded the following year. Its only this year that the fire is finally being tamed....six years later...

[wtfjjk]

And we were all trying to convince ourselves there was nothing to the scout (or GM, forgot which it was) who gave him red marks b/c he couldn't cook. We absolutely trolled that anonymous scout. We were all "In Reese we trust".

[Kruunch]

This is what happens when you breastfeed till your freshman year in College.

[cdngfan]

I don’t think fans understand the culture Getty inherited when he took the job.

Being very active around the boards during that time the discussion was all about talent. But looking back, that locker room was ROTTEN.

Flowers refusing to play at the end of the season. Eli Apple. And while we all loved OBJ and he clearly had a great work ethic and was liked by his teammates, I’m sure coaches and the FO asked him to behave differently than he was, and when he didn’t, they sent a message with that trade that fans interpreted as a massive waste of talent. But I think in hindsight they were trying to change the culture. They just didn’t do a very good job of it. But that was the attempt.

[myronguyton29]

wow just wow smdh

[BigBlueDog42]

Oct 19, 2022 10:11:15 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

I don’t think fans understand the culture Getty inherited when he took the job.

Being very active around the boards during that time the discussion was all about talent. But looking back, that locker room was ROTTEN.

Flowers refusing to play at the end of the season. Eli Apple. And while we all loved OBJ and he clearly had a great work ethic and was liked by his teammates, I’m sure coaches and the FO asked him to behave differently than he was, and when he didn’t, they sent a message with that trade that fans interpreted as a massive waste of talent. But I think in hindsight they were trying to change the culture. They just didn’t do a very good job of it. But that was the attempt.

Flowers and Hart/ DRC going nuts in the embarrassing blow out to the Rams  at home I have been a fan for a very long time that locker room was the worst in my time and they really weren't that talented a lot of older vets collecting the check, OBJ and Eli Shep was a round it wasn't all bad but it did mess up then chemistry of the younger players. Cassias said in the same chat that Mac Adoo was good man but let stuff go and it came back to bight him the next year. 

[SG88]

Oct 19, 2022 9:18:20 GMT -5 nyg2 said:

It's crazy how one guy, particularly who was a rookie, can make an entire locker room toxic and how much Ben McAdoo let him get away with. Looking back on it now, it's kind of a miracle how we ever went 11-5 that season because there was so much dysfunction around the team and guys were at each other's throats.

Casillas on Apple: "When he was playing for the Giants, and no offense to his mom, but his mom was always around, he was a little brat. And he was a young kid trying to play in a grown man's league...and he didn't know what he was doing."

Casillas on McAdoo: "Some things that happened early in the season in 2016 he kind of let slide and then the next year, and stuff hit the fan it was too late to start disciplining people, it was way too late you should've did it in 2016".

I have no issue with his opinion. I do have an issue with him dry snitching 6 years later when he is no longer on the payroll. Why didn't he step up as a so called leader in the locker room instead of airing out their dirty laundry years later? Standing by and doing nothing makes you complicit IMO.

[SG88]

Oct 19, 2022 10:04:04 GMT -5 Kruunch said:

This is what happens when you breastfeed till your freshman year in College.

Lmfao. One of the funniest things I've read all day 😄

[trueblueatnyc]

Oct 19, 2022 11:32:35 GMT -5 SG88 said:

Oct 19, 2022 9:18:20 GMT -5 nyg2 said:

It's crazy how one guy, particularly who was a rookie, can make an entire locker room toxic and how much Ben McAdoo let him get away with. Looking back on it now, it's kind of a miracle how we ever went 11-5 that season because there was so much dysfunction around the team and guys were at each other's throats.

Casillas on Apple: "When he was playing for the Giants, and no offense to his mom, but his mom was always around, he was a little brat. And he was a young kid trying to play in a grown man's league...and he didn't know what he was doing."

Casillas on McAdoo: "Some things that happened early in the season in 2016 he kind of let slide and then the next year, and stuff hit the fan it was too late to start disciplining people, it was way too late you should've did it in 2016".

I have no issue with his opinion. I do have an issue with him dry snitching 6 years later when he is no longer on the payroll. Why didn't he step up as a so called leader in the locker room instead of airing out their dirty laundry years later? Standing by and doing nothing makes you complicit IMO.

Meh. We don't know what he was trying to do in the lockeroom in terms of trying to help the culture. I don't think if he came up publicly in 2017 and said these things it would have yielded any positive result for him. Players don't like it when one of their own airs the dirty laundry in public. 

[moecoastie]

Oct 19, 2022 13:35:35 GMT -5 trueblueatnyc said:

Oct 19, 2022 11:32:35 GMT -5 SG88 said:

I have no issue with his opinion. I do have an issue with him dry snitching 6 years later when he is no longer on the payroll. Why didn't he step up as a so called leader in the locker room instead of airing out their dirty laundry years later? Standing by and doing nothing makes you complicit IMO.

Meh. We don't know what he was trying to do in the lockeroom in terms of trying to help the culture. I don't think if he came up publicly in 2017 and said these things it would have yielded any positive result for him. Players don't like it when one of their own airs the dirty laundry in public. 

this is all comedy to me.  Casillas did say he approached Apple with these issues but Mac shouldve been the one doing. Still funny after the fact, though.  Not so funny when it was happening.

[jb456]

Oct 19, 2022 9:25:48 GMT -5 JoeBigBlue said:

While the Giants were a bad team for a few years already, 2016 was like the powder keg that finally exploded the following year. Its only this year that the fire is finally being tamed....six years later...

I agree but wasn't that team also incredibly lucky health wise as well? 

[nyg2]

Oct 19, 2022 11:32:35 GMT -5 SG88 said:

I have no issue with his opinion. I do have an issue with him dry snitching 6 years later when he is no longer on the payroll. Why didn't he step up as a so called leader in the locker room instead of airing out their dirty laundry years later? Standing by and doing nothing makes you complicit IMO.

In the video he does say that he had a conversation with Eli Apple, but he felt that was a conversation that Ben McAdoo should have had with him. 

[myronguyton29]

Oct 19, 2022 11:32:35 GMT -5 SG88 said:

Oct 19, 2022 9:18:20 GMT -5 nyg2 said:

It's crazy how one guy, particularly who was a rookie, can make an entire locker room toxic and how much Ben McAdoo let him get away with. Looking back on it now, it's kind of a miracle how we ever went 11-5 that season because there was so much dysfunction around the team and guys were at each other's throats.

Casillas on Apple: "When he was playing for the Giants, and no offense to his mom, but his mom was always around, he was a little brat. And he was a young kid trying to play in a grown man's league...and he didn't know what he was doing."

Casillas on McAdoo: "Some things that happened early in the season in 2016 he kind of let slide and then the next year, and stuff hit the fan it was too late to start disciplining people, it was way too late you should've did it in 2016".

I have no issue with his opinion. I do have an issue with him dry snitching 6 years later when he is no longer on the payroll. Why didn't he step up as a so called leader in the locker room instead of airing out their dirty laundry years later? Standing by and doing nothing makes you complicit IMO.

he says in the video he had the conversation with FAPPLE

[Roswell]

Oct 19, 2022 10:11:15 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

I don’t think fans understand the culture Getty inherited when he took the job.

Being very active around the boards during that time the discussion was all about talent. But looking back, that locker room was ROTTEN.

Flowers refusing to play at the end of the season. Eli Apple. And while we all loved OBJ and he clearly had a great work ethic and was liked by his teammates, I’m sure coaches and the FO asked him to behave differently than he was, and when he didn’t, they sent a message with that trade that fans interpreted as a massive waste of talent. But I think in hindsight they were trying to change the culture. They just didn’t do a very good job of it. But that was the attempt.

Very overlooked fact. The inherited culture.

Gettlemen killed the corpse with his decisions. But make no mistake, he inherited a corpse. It was a badly decayed rotting corpse when he left but it was a corpse.

But he put flowers on the grave with his draft of Thomas, Jones, McK and a few others and made a very good trade with the Bears.

Not enough for redemption but he left some important pieces to build upon.

[te88]

Oct 19, 2022 10:11:15 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

I don’t think fans understand the culture Getty inherited when he took the job.

Being very active around the boards during that time the discussion was all about talent. But looking back, that locker room was ROTTEN.

Flowers refusing to play at the end of the season. Eli Apple. And while we all loved OBJ and he clearly had a great work ethic and was liked by his teammates, I’m sure coaches and the FO asked him to behave differently than he was, and when he didn’t, they sent a message with that trade that fans interpreted as a massive waste of talent. But I think in hindsight they were trying to change the culture. They just didn’t do a very good job of it. But that was the attempt.

Clearly Getty did zilch to improve the organizational culture and simply made it worse in other ways.

[piddy283]

Oct 19, 2022 10:11:15 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

I don’t think fans understand the culture Getty inherited when he took the job.

Being very active around the boards during that time the discussion was all about talent. But looking back, that locker room was ROTTEN.

Flowers refusing to play at the end of the season. Eli Apple. And while we all loved OBJ and he clearly had a great work ethic and was liked by his teammates, I’m sure coaches and the FO asked him to behave differently than he was, and when he didn’t, they sent a message with that trade that fans interpreted as a massive waste of talent. But I think in hindsight they were trying to change the culture. They just didn’t do a very good job of it. But that was the attempt.

I always gave DG the benefit of the doubt taking over the dumpster fire JR left behind. He ended up leaving me scratching my head with some of the decisions he made his last off-season, but I think the sudden turnaround we’re having goes to show he wasn’t nearly as bad at evaluating talent as the majority of fans made him out to be.

[imgrate]

Oct 19, 2022 16:18:40 GMT -5 piddy283 said:

Oct 19, 2022 10:11:15 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

I don’t think fans understand the culture Getty inherited when he took the job.

Being very active around the boards during that time the discussion was all about talent. But looking back, that locker room was ROTTEN.

Flowers refusing to play at the end of the season. Eli Apple. And while we all loved OBJ and he clearly had a great work ethic and was liked by his teammates, I’m sure coaches and the FO asked him to behave differently than he was, and when he didn’t, they sent a message with that trade that fans interpreted as a massive waste of talent. But I think in hindsight they were trying to change the culture. They just didn’t do a very good job of it. But that was the attempt.

I always gave DG the benefit of the doubt taking over the dumpster fire JR left behind. He ended up leaving me scratching my head with some of the decisions he made his last off-season, but I think the sudden turnaround we’re having goes to show he wasn’t nearly as bad at evaluating talent as the majority of fans made him out to be.

He evaluated the team when he first started and deemed that it was a contender that had the luxury of drafting a RB at 2.

[SG88]

Oct 19, 2022 15:42:46 GMT -5 nyg2 said:

Oct 19, 2022 11:32:35 GMT -5 SG88 said:

I have no issue with his opinion. I do have an issue with him dry snitching 6 years later when he is no longer on the payroll. Why didn't he step up as a so called leader in the locker room instead of airing out their dirty laundry years later? Standing by and doing nothing makes you complicit IMO.

In the video he does say that he had a conversation with Eli Apple, but he felt that was a conversation that Ben McAdoo should have had with him. 

He should have done more than just talk to him about it. He should have fully confronted Apple with his beef and the vets on the team should have put him in his place. It is just what leaders do. I will tell you what, that stuff would not fly in this locker room we have now. I am OK with people disagreeing with me about this, but I'm big on communication and I feel like there was a breakdown in it here.

[Roswell]

Oct 19, 2022 16:55:52 GMT -5 imgrate said:

Oct 19, 2022 16:18:40 GMT -5 piddy283 said:

I always gave DG the benefit of the doubt taking over the dumpster fire JR left behind. He ended up leaving me scratching my head with some of the decisions he made his last off-season, but I think the sudden turnaround we’re having goes to show he wasn’t nearly as bad at evaluating talent as the majority of fans made him out to be.

He evaluated the team when he first started and deemed that it was a contender that had the luxury of drafting a RB at 2.

He did.  

I wonder how much of that was because the Maras still wanted to build around Eli and tried to get him a 3rd ring.

[Sarcasman]

Oct 19, 2022 18:38:45 GMT -5 Roswell said:

Oct 19, 2022 16:55:52 GMT -5 imgrate said:

He evaluated the team when he first started and deemed that it was a contender that had the luxury of drafting a RB at 2.

He did.  

I wonder how much of that was because the Maras still wanted to build around Eli and tried to get him a 3rd ring.

Then draft OL or better yet - as many had said then, (I wasn't one of them) - trade back and draft multiple OL.  It had been the teams biggest need for six years by then and it's the first step of rebuilding a crap team.

[Zimonami]

Oct 19, 2022 11:18:11 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

Oct 19, 2022 10:11:15 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

I don’t think fans understand the culture Getty inherited when he took the job.

Being very active around the boards during that time the discussion was all about talent. But looking back, that locker room was ROTTEN.

Flowers refusing to play at the end of the season. Eli Apple. And while we all loved OBJ and he clearly had a great work ethic and was liked by his teammates, I’m sure coaches and the FO asked him to behave differently than he was, and when he didn’t, they sent a message with that trade that fans interpreted as a massive waste of talent. But I think in hindsight they were trying to change the culture. They just didn’t do a very good job of it. But that was the attempt.

Flowers and Hart/ DRC going nuts in the embarrassing blow out to the Rams  at home I have been a fan for a very long time that locker room was the worst in my time and they really weren't that talented a lot of older vets collecting the check, OBJ and Eli Shep was a round it wasn't all bad but it did mess up then chemistry of the younger players. Cassias said in the same chat that Mac Adoo was good man but let stuff go and it came back to bight him the next year. 

I was at that Rams blow out game.  Was disgusted with Apple several times when most pass and run plays went away from his side. He would just stand there, watching the play unfold across the field, like a spectator. Never moved to help out.

[BigBlueDog42]

Oct 22, 2022 22:26:05 GMT -5 Zimonami said:

Oct 19, 2022 11:18:11 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

Flowers and Hart/ DRC going nuts in the embarrassing blow out to the Rams  at home I have been a fan for a very long time that locker room was the worst in my time and they really weren't that talented a lot of older vets collecting the check, OBJ and Eli Shep was a round it wasn't all bad but it did mess up then chemistry of the younger players. Cassias said in the same chat that Mac Adoo was good man but let stuff go and it came back to bight him the next year. 

I was at that Rams blow out game.  Was disgusted with Apple several times when most pass and run plays went away from his side. He would just stand there, watching the play unfold across the field, like a spectator. Never moved to help out.

Zim I was there to. Was so over that team and the over paid vets on it along with some of the young guys like Apple. Unfortunately for me I was at every game till I moved in 2017 it wasn't pretty. That team was in the top 3 of worst teams in 45 -50years I have been watching Giants football. I remember DRC chasing guys into the end zone in that game yelling at the quitters that gave up on some of those huge plays. Glad the page was turned anything was better. Apple was young immature baby actually posted after one of the Giants - Cowterd games one of his buddies from OSU making a big TD play against them. Disgusting is putting it in mild terms for that team.

[BigBlueDog42]

Oct 19, 2022 11:32:35 GMT -5 SG88 said:

Oct 19, 2022 9:18:20 GMT -5 nyg2 said:

It's crazy how one guy, particularly who was a rookie, can make an entire locker room toxic and how much Ben McAdoo let him get away with. Looking back on it now, it's kind of a miracle how we ever went 11-5 that season because there was so much dysfunction around the team and guys were at each other's throats.

Casillas on Apple: "When he was playing for the Giants, and no offense to his mom, but his mom was always around, he was a little brat. And he was a young kid trying to play in a grown man's league...and he didn't know what he was doing."

Casillas on McAdoo: "Some things that happened early in the season in 2016 he kind of let slide and then the next year, and stuff hit the fan it was too late to start disciplining people, it was way too late you should've did it in 2016".

I have no issue with his opinion. I do have an issue with him dry snitching 6 years later when he is no longer on the payroll. Why didn't he step up as a so called leader in the locker room instead of airing out their dirty laundry years later? Standing by and doing nothing makes you complicit IMO.

He was a captain he should of stepped up. If were gonna  lose, lose with dignity then like a bunch of quitters there were good guys on that team few and far between. the culture sucked the vets like JPP and a Few others said they wanted nothing to do with leading one guy like that is fine having several not so much. Just a bad situation from the top down 0 leadership from the front office to the Coaches to the players. It is easy to be a leader when all is good. We saw the true nature of the people tasked with leading this franchise when the shit hit the fan and it wasn't good.    

[BigBlueDog42]

Oct 19, 2022 16:18:40 GMT -5 piddy283 said:

Oct 19, 2022 10:11:15 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

I don’t think fans understand the culture Getty inherited when he took the job.

Being very active around the boards during that time the discussion was all about talent. But looking back, that locker room was ROTTEN.

Flowers refusing to play at the end of the season. Eli Apple. And while we all loved OBJ and he clearly had a great work ethic and was liked by his teammates, I’m sure coaches and the FO asked him to behave differently than he was, and when he didn’t, they sent a message with that trade that fans interpreted as a massive waste of talent. But I think in hindsight they were trying to change the culture. They just didn’t do a very good job of it. But that was the attempt.

I always gave DG the benefit of the doubt taking over the dumpster fire JR left behind. He ended up leaving me scratching my head with some of the decisions he made his last off-season, but I think the sudden turnaround we’re having goes to show he wasn’t nearly as bad at evaluating talent as the majority of fans made him out to be.

He made a some mistakes yes and one of his biggest was drafting a QB and giving him nothing for not one year but all 3. He deserved the ax and got it. That said he left this place far better then he found it, with some young talented foundational pieces in place and good solid young vet core that never quit on Judge or anyone else they did there Jobs. Something that did not happen with the 2017 dream team. Getty was a mess in some ways but he seemed to always have an eye on the future thats why we only have one year of cap issues, then it opens right up again the next 3 years and why he made the trade with the Bears he could have taken the superstars yes, but he did what was good for the future we got  2 possible stars or more with the capital Gained. Looks like it's gonna workout so far Schoen did a great job with that draft capital. Giants were at rock bottom in 2017 maybe the worst franchise in football with years of cap hell looming and several free agents the whole OL and LB core and no RBs or TE's. This was a huge task. Trading #2 was the right thing to do. Just happy we turned the page back then, and really happy they went and did it 1 more time to get this franchise up to date.