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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 25, 2022 17:06:43 GMT -5
His career is on the line he is gonna do whats best in his mind for the team, These guys get 1 chance at it and sometimes it is hard to get back in if they @#$% up to bad. Schoen will evaluate this QB class with Daboll, if they think there is a better option in the draft in free agency or trade they will take the shot if they don't and like 2023 class better they might give Jones a 1 year extension or 2 with a mid level contract or let him walk and play Taylor. A lot up in the air with this roster and QB I wish for the Giants sake that DJ could be the guy but he isn't pushing the ball down field don't risk no biscuit QB is most important spot on the field he needs to be better or he will be the old Giants QB. If we would be honest as fans(regardless of whether pro/con DJ) the absolute best scenario is to get him extended to a team friendly lower cost contract while looking for a diamond in the rough in the draft. Sorry, the highly touted sure thing guys who play on stacked teams in college are a crapshoot. Its ridiculous to scrap DJ due to his play on a very injured, limited roster. The parts of the game some guys want to see aren't even possible with 3rd stringers/practice squad guys playing on the O line and the TE and WR core. Daks play early in the game when he was anxious about the pressure was sub par. This with studs like Cee Dee Lamb, Michael Gallup, Shultz, and ferguson as pass catchers and the two headed RB monster of Zeke and Pollard. Apples and Oranges. The QBs that can move the ball late in games when trailing by more than one score all have alpha dog WRs or stud TEs. Its not even the same sport when you have a Jefferson, Diggs, Lamb, Chase, catching footballs. When the ball is in the air, its theirs--period. I'm not saying part ways, more like get the backup plan in place. Dak was all over the place yesterday his WRs made him look good. Saquon said he should have caught that ball for the first thats would have been big and Jones for his part new he missed on 7 their. I just think Schoen and Daboll have careers on the line here this is their chance they aren't gonna be told how to do things they will make a judgement on DJ which I think what you said is what they would like unless he really shits the bed this last 6 games
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Post by Nite on Nov 25, 2022 19:15:51 GMT -5
I wonder if Mara still have his fingers in the pie? Any stink that emanates comes from his grubby, greedy control freak paws.. First no, second that has nothing to do with this. U R A Mara apologist
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 25, 2022 22:38:08 GMT -5
I thought that play was pivotal as well, but in his post game presser Daboll explained his logic. I understand why he made that choice. We don’t have to agree with him but he’s the HC and it’s his choice to make. If the pass is better, there’s probably no discussion of it I guess my thinking was we couldn't afford to help them in any way. it may not have mattered anyway, just sucked letting them have a short field when it was that tight on the scores. I agree; that's why I didn't like the call. But it's his call to make.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 25, 2022 23:31:47 GMT -5
I wanted Parsons at last year's draft and a few fans on here were complaining about his character and "lack of a motor". I disagreed and just hoped that we got him anyways. We missed the boat IMO. IIRC, it was the other guy who liked your post that was supporting him and TBH I didn’t think he would be this good and was a little questionable about his “character” as well but PennState (who knew a lot more about him than I do) was strongly defending him and he was right, unfortunately. You were not the only one not one analyst thought he had that much pass rush ability and I don't thing the Penn State staff even knew. Dan Quinn got that figured out and it will probably get him a head coaching gig, part of me wanted him but the broom stick stuff turned me way off. Then the Saratella report saying he had some other issues that were possible prison time stuff and teams knew about it I was like hell no. In hind sight we all want him and yes there were a bunch of guys here that wanted him either way I'm happy with what we got Schoen use some of that capital to move around so he got a lot of capital out of it.
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Post by navygiant on Nov 25, 2022 23:41:48 GMT -5
I was wrong. He did have a good game.
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Post by miggs on Nov 26, 2022 6:51:43 GMT -5
Everyone here here seems to be fine with the Toney trade. Is anyone besides myself against it? You think KC is happy with it, toney is hurt.................again. It's a hamstring issue. Giants retaining Lemieux who has been injured two years I. A row who has shown little when he does play.
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Post by mendy on Nov 26, 2022 6:59:05 GMT -5
You think KC is happy with it, toney is hurt.................again. It's a hamstring issue. Giants retaining Lemieux who has been injured two years I. A row who has shown little when he does play. You think anyone is giving 2 draft picks for Lemieux, I get some don't understand the business side of the NFL.
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Post by mendy on Nov 26, 2022 7:01:20 GMT -5
First no, second that has nothing to do with this. U R A Mara apologist U need to come up with a better scapegoat then Mara all the time.
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Post by miggs on Nov 26, 2022 7:20:46 GMT -5
It's a hamstring issue. Giants retaining Lemieux who has been injured two years I. A row who has shown little when he does play. You think anyone is giving 2 draft picks for Lemieux, I get some don't understand the business side of the NFL. My point is the Giants tolerate Lemieux's continual injuries, not Toney's. He's liked by KC coaching staff in KC. Why not with the Giants? Getting essentially a 4th and 6th round pick for a first round pick is being taken to the cleaners. Now Giants have to spend money they don't have on a free agent or draft a WR who is not as good. As Giants would be stupid to draft a WR with it's first round pick when they need a linebacker to go with Beavers. Moreover not having Toney puts Giants chance to make playoffs in jeopardy especially with Robinson out for season. Giants traded Toney when he was healthy. Plus, he's likely to play in KC games and in the play-offs. Schoen would have been far smarter to trade him, if at all,this summer when they would have gotten far more than they did in draft capitol. Seems like Schoen and Daboll made an emotional decision rather than with their heads. Really sets the Giants back going forward. Can't afford to trade the few impact offensive players they have for nothing.
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Post by Nite on Nov 26, 2022 9:10:49 GMT -5
U need to come up with a better scapegoat then Mara all the time. U R Tell Ur boss he needs better a propaganda panda
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2022 11:02:23 GMT -5
You think anyone is giving 2 draft picks for Lemieux, I get some don't understand the business side of the NFL. My point is the Giants tolerate Lemieux's continual injuries, not Toney's. He's liked by KC coaching staff in KC. Why not with the Giants? Getting essentially a 4th and 6th round pick for a first round pick is being taken to the cleaners. Now Giants have to spend money they don't have on a free agent or draft a WR who is not as good. As Giants would be stupid to draft a WR with it's first round pick when they need a linebacker to go with Beavers. Moreover not having Toney puts Giants chance to make playoffs in jeopardy especially with Robinson out for season. Giants traded Toney when he was healthy. Plus, he's likely to play in KC games and in the play-offs. Schoen would have been far smarter to trade him, if at all,this summer when they would have gotten far more than they did in draft capitol. Seems like Schoen and Daboll made an emotional decision rather than with their heads. Really sets the Giants back going forward. Can't afford to trade the few impact offensive players they have for nothing. I never heard the Giants say they didn’t like Toney. As a matter of fact I think they’d like to have had him on the field, but that didn’t work out. Lemieux is an offensive lineman, those are more valuable than WRs; WRs are dime a dozen. It seems the only emotions being displayed in this situation are yours. What makes you think an overdrafted WR that has done nothing in the league thus far is going to attract far more draft capitol than a 4th and a 6th? That’s not the market at all.
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Post by miggs on Nov 26, 2022 11:12:34 GMT -5
My point is the Giants tolerate Lemieux's continual injuries, not Toney's. He's liked by KC coaching staff in KC. Why not with the Giants? Getting essentially a 4th and 6th round pick for a first round pick is being taken to the cleaners. Now Giants have to spend money they don't have on a free agent or draft a WR who is not as good. As Giants would be stupid to draft a WR with it's first round pick when they need a linebacker to go with Beavers. Moreover not having Toney puts Giants chance to make playoffs in jeopardy especially with Robinson out for season. Giants traded Toney when he was healthy. Plus, he's likely to play in KC games and in the play-offs. Schoen would have been far smarter to trade him, if at all,this summer when they would have gotten far more than they did in draft capitol. Seems like Schoen and Daboll made an emotional decision rather than with their heads. Really sets the Giants back going forward. Can't afford to trade the few impact offensive players they have for nothing. I never heard the Giants say they didn’t like Toney. As a matter of fact I think they’d like to have had him on the field, but that didn’t work out. Lemieux is an offensive lineman, those are more valuable than WRs; WRs are dime a dozen. It seems the only emotions being displayed in this situation are yours. What makes you think an overdrafted WR that has done nothing in the league thus far is going to attract far more draft capitol than a 4th and a 6th? That’s not the market at all. WRs are not a dime a dozen. At least KC coaches and fans realize that stole Toney a first round draft pick from the Giants. Some GM's can see long term, others can not. Toney was not over-drafted. Injured yes. KC got an impact WR and they know it. They're few in supply. And look where Giants are now.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2022 12:36:39 GMT -5
I never heard the Giants say they didn’t like Toney. As a matter of fact I think they’d like to have had him on the field, but that didn’t work out. Lemieux is an offensive lineman, those are more valuable than WRs; WRs are dime a dozen. It seems the only emotions being displayed in this situation are yours. What makes you think an overdrafted WR that has done nothing in the league thus far is going to attract far more draft capitol than a 4th and a 6th? That’s not the market at all. WRs are not a dime a dozen. At least KC coaches and fans realize that stole Toney a first round draft pick from the Giants. Some GM's can see long term, others can not. Toney was not over-drafted. Injured yes. KC got an impact WR and they know it. They're few in supply. And look where Giants are now. Good WRs are easy to find, they’re not a premium position. I do think it was a reasonable gamble to get a potentially good WR for a couple of late round picks. If it works out for KC, good on them. But let’s not pretend the move is anything more than a calculated gamble. It’s the Deandre Baker sweepstakes all over again. Maybe this time the Chiefs will turn out to be right. 1-1 is better than 0-2 so I’m sure they’re hopeful. As far as Toney goes, how does he get to be an impact WR while demonstrating no impact thus far in his career?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 26, 2022 13:00:35 GMT -5
WRs are not a dime a dozen. At least KC coaches and fans realize that stole Toney a first round draft pick from the Giants. Some GM's can see long term, others can not. Toney was not over-drafted. Injured yes. KC got an impact WR and they know it. They're few in supply. And look where Giants are now. Good WRs are easy to find, they’re not a premium position. I do think it was a reasonable gamble to get a potentially good WR for a couple of late round picks. If it works out for KC, good on them. But let’s not pretend the move is anything more than a calculated gamble. It’s the Deandre Baker sweepstakes all over again. Maybe this time the Chiefs will turn out to be right. 1-1 is better than 0-2 so I’m sure they’re hopeful. As far as Toney goes, how does he get to be an impact WR while demonstrating no impact thus far in his career? Tough part for him he did it with KC tantalized them with decent first showing, showing off that special burst but he is back in the tub and off the field.
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Post by miggs on Nov 26, 2022 13:27:29 GMT -5
Good WRs are easy to find, they’re not a premium position. I do think it was a reasonable gamble to get a potentially good WR for a couple of late round picks. If it works out for KC, good on them. But let’s not pretend the move is anything more than a calculated gamble. It’s the Deandre Baker sweepstakes all over again. Maybe this time the Chiefs will turn out to be right. 1-1 is better than 0-2 so I’m sure they’re hopeful. As far as Toney goes, how does he get to be an impact WR while demonstrating no impact thus far in his career? Tough part for him he did it with KC tantalized them with decent first showing, showing off that special burst but he is back in the tub and off the field. A team has to play the long game when they have impact players. Got to let hamstrings repair. Confident that Toney will have a good career. If WRs were a dime a dozen the Giants would have many good one's. Doesn't look like they do.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 26, 2022 13:31:20 GMT -5
Tough part for him he did it with KC tantalized them with decent first showing, showing off that special burst but he is back in the tub and off the field. A team has to play the long game when they have impact players. Got to let hamstrings repair. Confident that Toney will have a good career. If WRs were a dime a dozen the Giants would have many good one's. Doesn't look like they do. I wanted him and I'm not confident he might have a good year maybe a few he has to do his part when he isn't at the facility don't think he does.
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Post by mendy on Nov 26, 2022 20:36:07 GMT -5
Good WRs are easy to find, they’re not a premium position. I do think it was a reasonable gamble to get a potentially good WR for a couple of late round picks. If it works out for KC, good on them. But let’s not pretend the move is anything more than a calculated gamble. It’s the Deandre Baker sweepstakes all over again. Maybe this time the Chiefs will turn out to be right. 1-1 is better than 0-2 so I’m sure they’re hopeful. As far as Toney goes, how does he get to be an impact WR while demonstrating no impact thus far in his career? Tough part for him he did it with KC tantalized them with decent first showing, showing off that special burst but he is back in the tub and off the field. lol, strange feeling of deja vu.
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Post by miggs on Nov 27, 2022 12:17:58 GMT -5
Good time for Giants to go on a three-game winning streak. Don't be disheartened. Team isn't. Good chance of your wind-up loving Jones.
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