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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 1, 2023 16:37:12 GMT -5
I think Jones will be brought back as a bridge QB type and will be paid as such. Don't think he gets franchise cash, but if he beats down Philly next week and then the 49ers he could change his fortunes drastically. what ever the particulars of the contract he will be brought back to be the franchise QB. The kid still needs to refine his game but he has been giving the HC and GM what they want overall. I dont think he will be considered a bridge QB at all. They wasted 2 or 3 years of his development that said he has seen a lot in his young career and seems to have grown big time does everything you want from your QB.
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Post by Speedman on Jan 1, 2023 16:37:59 GMT -5
What the **** is wrong with you? The football organization decides what to pay Jones and Barkley. Your opinion or mine doesn’t mean anything.Nothing is wrong with me. Should I ask the same of you considering your overreaction? And if the bolded is your take, why do you even log on to a fan centric forum and provide your opinion? This is the last time I respond to you. People on this board discussing players money is stupid. If you think your opinion on Jones or Barkley’s money means anything to anyone on here give it.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 1, 2023 16:38:25 GMT -5
what ever the particulars of the contract he will be brought back to be the franchise QB. The kid still needs to refine his game but he has been giving the HC and GM what they want overall. I dont think he will be considered a bridge QB at all. What I'm trying to say is Jones won't get close to $40MM/year, so not franchise money. More like Ryan Tannehill type at most. It also won't be long term (not more than 3 years). I also think Schoen will draft a QB in the next two years.Regardless of what we do with Jones, similar to the Eagles when they paid Wentz and drafted Hurts. If you know you don't have a top 10 guy, good franchises still draft talent at the most important position Do you think we look up Jones for more than 2 years with an optional 3rd? And at what rate? And do you expect Giants to not draft a QB under Schoen? a franchise QB is how you play not what you get paid. I get what you are saying tho Jones will kept on th team to be/play like a franchise QB. Schoen doesnt want to have to draft a another QB. I dont think he is eyeing up a pick in 2024 a this moment. What ever his contract is he will get 2/3s of if it.guaranteed. 100/120 for 3/4 years with 60/80 guaranteed. With options probably too. Something like that
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Post by thetruth on Jan 1, 2023 16:43:06 GMT -5
What I'm trying to say is Jones won't get close to $40MM/year, so not franchise money. More like Ryan Tannehill type at most. It also won't be long term (not more than 3 years). I also think Schoen will draft a QB in the next two years.Regardless of what we do with Jones, similar to the Eagles when they paid Wentz and drafted Hurts. If you know you don't have a top 10 guy, good franchises still draft talent at the most important position Do you think we look up Jones for more than 2 years with an optional 3rd? And at what rate? And do you expect Giants to not draft a QB under Schoen? a franchise QB is how you play not what you get paid. I get what you are saying tho Jones will kept on th team to be/play like a franchise QB. Schoen doesnt want to have to draft a another QB. I dont think he is eyeing up a pick in 2024 a this moment. What ever his contract is he will get 2/3s of if it.guaranteed. 100/120 for 3/4 years with 60/80 guaranteed. With options probably too. Something like that I think a 3 year $90MM with $60MM makes sense for the Giants, so we're not far in how we see it regardless of what you call him For me, a cost controlled QB on a rookie year contract is the best way to win in this league, I personally hope he continues to look for QBs for the best long term outlook for this team. I suspect he will
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Post by SG88 on Jan 1, 2023 16:43:17 GMT -5
Don't know if this was posted already, but fantasy geek Matthew Berry has been whining about the Giants for several weeks now.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 1, 2023 16:45:19 GMT -5
a franchise QB is how you play not what you get paid. I get what you are saying tho Jones will kept on th team to be/play like a franchise QB. Schoen doesnt want to have to draft a another QB. I dont think he is eyeing up a pick in 2024 a this moment. What ever his contract is he will get 2/3s of if it.guaranteed. 100/120 for 3/4 years with 60/80 guaranteed. With options probably too. Something like that The problem with those numbers, the number of years, guaranteed and AAV, are all is below market value contract for a 25 year old "franchise" QB entering FA. That's the crux of this discussion dating back to last year and the 5th year option. Right. I still wonder what JS thinks, he declined a $21MM dollar decision on DJ. How much has HIS mind changed, very curious
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Post by TEM on Jan 1, 2023 16:45:43 GMT -5
Don't know if this was posted already, but fantasy geek Matthew Berry has been whining about the Giants for several weeks now. Who cares what Dingle Berry thinks?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 1, 2023 16:46:24 GMT -5
What I'm trying to say is Jones won't get close to $40MM/year, so not franchise money. More like Ryan Tannehill type at most. It also won't be long term (not more than 3 years). I also think Schoen will draft a QB in the next two years.Regardless of what we do with Jones, similar to the Eagles when they paid Wentz and drafted Hurts. If you know you don't have a top 10 guy, good franchises still draft talent at the most important position Do you think we look up Jones for more than 2 years with an optional 3rd? And at what rate? And do you expect Giants to not draft a QB under Schoen? a franchise QB is how you play not what you get paid. I get what you are saying tho Jones will kept on th team to be/play like a franchise QB. Schoen doesnt want to have to draft a another QB. I dont think he is eyeing up a pick in 2024 a this moment. What ever his contract is he will get 2/3s of if it.guaranteed. 100/120 for 3/4 years with 60/80 guaranteed. With options probably too. Something like that QBs are hard to come by think they will give him every chance to succeed think he passed the first test earned a new contract. Everything he is or isn't will be taken into account. That said that was the #11 defense that they dismantled today think they came out planning to win and the game got away from them.
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Post by babybulls on Jan 1, 2023 16:46:42 GMT -5
It wasn’t a good look, no matter our fandom. The snow angels I can forgive, since I don’t think he knew that Foles was injured, but the ‘go to sleep’ was a bit over the top and I love KT, just think that was wrong.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 1, 2023 16:48:03 GMT -5
Don't know if this was posted already, but fantasy geek Matthew Berry has been whining about the Giants for several weeks now. Who cares what Dingle Berry thinks? I know right? I think he is just a bitter Commanders fan. He should be worried about his own sorry team and that God awful performance that they put up against the Browns today.
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Post by Speedman on Jan 1, 2023 16:48:39 GMT -5
This is the last time I respond to you. You've said that at least 10 times in the past. All in response to being called out. Do you think your, or anyone's, opinion on anything to do with the Giants means anything? Of course not. It literally has no influence on what Schoen et al do. So I ask you again... if you think a poster's opinion is meaningless, why do you log on daily and offer yours? (that's a rhetorical question). The answer is obviously: To offer up fodder for discourse. Why are you so concerned with why I log on? I told you in the past that I think you are an asshole. Why would you weasel your way into my conversation with someone else?
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 1, 2023 16:50:24 GMT -5
what ever the particulars of the contract he will be brought back to be the franchise QB. The kid still needs to refine his game but he has been giving the HC and GM what they want overall. I dont think he will be considered a bridge QB at all. They wasted 2 or 3 years of his development that said he has seen a lot in his young career and seems to have grown big time does everything you want from your QB. Somebody somewhere said he never fails. He either succeeds or he learns. That is how I will now look at the previous 2 years.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 1, 2023 16:58:19 GMT -5
They wasted 2 or 3 years of his development that said he has seen a lot in his young career and seems to have grown big time does everything you want from your QB. Somebody somewhere said he never fails. He either succeeds or he learns. That is how I will now look at the previous 2 years. Good way to put it.
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Post by ukgiantsfan on Jan 1, 2023 17:07:35 GMT -5
Daboll has to be Coach Of The Year …… he has done a tremendous job with no cap and a poor roster ….. incredible performance
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Post by TEM on Jan 1, 2023 17:10:23 GMT -5
As of today
We have scored 349 points We have allowed 349 points.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 1, 2023 17:14:57 GMT -5
a franchise QB is how you play not what you get paid. I get what you are saying tho Jones will kept on th team to be/play like a franchise QB. Schoen doesnt want to have to draft a another QB. I dont think he is eyeing up a pick in 2024 a this moment. What ever his contract is he will get 2/3s of if it.guaranteed. 100/120 for 3/4 years with 60/80 guaranteed. With options probably too. Something like that QBs are hard to come by think they will give him every chance to succeed think he passed the first test earned a new contract. Everything he is or isn't will be taken into account. That said that was the #11 defense that they dismantled today think they came out planning to win and the game got away from them. was a solid game for the most part all around...... was good to see
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Post by GameTime on Jan 1, 2023 17:20:13 GMT -5
a franchise QB is how you play not what you get paid. I get what you are saying tho Jones will kept on th team to be/play like a franchise QB. Schoen doesnt want to have to draft a another QB. I dont think he is eyeing up a pick in 2024 a this moment. What ever his contract is he will get 2/3s of if it.guaranteed. 100/120 for 3/4 years with 60/80 guaranteed. With options probably too. Something like that I think a 3 year $90MM with $60MM makes sense for the Giants, so we're not far in how we see it regardless of what you call him For me, a cost controlled QB on a rookie year contract is the best way to win in this league, I personally hope he continues to look for QBs for the best long term outlook for this team. I suspect he will how many QBs on rookie contracts won SBs? The last thing any GM wants to do is have to start over
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Post by GameTime on Jan 1, 2023 17:25:22 GMT -5
a franchise QB is how you play not what you get paid. I get what you are saying tho Jones will kept on th team to be/play like a franchise QB. Schoen doesnt want to have to draft a another QB. I dont think he is eyeing up a pick in 2024 a this moment. What ever his contract is he will get 2/3s of if it.guaranteed. 100/120 for 3/4 years with 60/80 guaranteed. With options probably too. Something like that The problem with those numbers (the number of years, guaranteed and AAV) are all is below market value contract for a 25 year old "franchise" QB entering FA. That's the crux of this discussion dating back to last year and the 5th year option. just my guesses. I really dont research these things. I rely on some of you to do the book work....
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Post by coughlinscorner on Jan 1, 2023 17:37:07 GMT -5
I think a 3 year $90MM with $60MM makes sense for the Giants, so we're not far in how we see it regardless of what you call him For me, a cost controlled QB on a rookie year contract is the best way to win in this league, I personally hope he continues to look for QBs for the best long term outlook for this team. I suspect he will how many QBs on rookie contracts won SBs? The last thing any GM wants to do is have to start over Mahomes in his 3rd season, Russell Wilson in his 2nd, Rothlisberger in his 2nd, Brady in his 2nd, Warner in his 2nd
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Post by GameTime on Jan 1, 2023 17:45:44 GMT -5
how many QBs on rookie contracts won SBs? The last thing any GM wants to do is have to start over Mahomes in his 3rd season, Russell Wilson in his 2nd, Rothlisberger in his 2nd, Brady in his 2nd, Warner in his 2nd thanks for that so 5 in 20 vets still hold the advantage
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 1, 2023 18:14:45 GMT -5
I dont know why but I hope KG gets a TD next game.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Jan 1, 2023 18:17:14 GMT -5
I dont know why but I hope KG gets a TD next game. As long as we are dreaming,make it against James Bradberry.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 1, 2023 18:50:34 GMT -5
I think a 3 year $90MM with $60MM makes sense for the Giants, so we're not far in how we see it regardless of what you call him For me, a cost controlled QB on a rookie year contract is the best way to win in this league, I personally hope he continues to look for QBs for the best long term outlook for this team. I suspect he will how many QBs on rookie contracts won SBs? The last thing any GM wants to do is have to start over How many QBs win sbs on second contracts that aren't the Manning's or Brady?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 18:51:37 GMT -5
Nice win!! Rest some players next week..
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 1, 2023 19:06:39 GMT -5
I think a 3 year $90MM with $60MM makes sense for the Giants, so we're not far in how we see it regardless of what you call him Even that is low. Kirk Cousins signed a 3 year $84M (fully guaranteed) contract in 2018. Five years later, Jones is getting more. It's how FA works. I agree with truth that would be a fair contract. I would offer it to the DJ camp but what LTGOAT says is the reality of the situation. With DJ growing as the Giant QB my expectations after todays game went from 3 years 90 mil, 60 mil guaranteed to 5 years 40 mil, 120 plus guaranteed. Now will DJ take that or test FA. And we have to tag him, which may very well happen. But I think DJ wants to stay here. I think the leverage has switched to DJ in the negotiations.
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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 1, 2023 19:11:54 GMT -5
The day has finally arrived! Do we win a playoff spot or do we back in! That is the question! I Bigjeep here and now guarantees a win today! Giants 42 Colts 3
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Post by coughlinscorner on Jan 1, 2023 19:12:32 GMT -5
how many QBs on rookie contracts won SBs? The last thing any GM wants to do is have to start over How many QBs win sbs on second contracts that aren't the Manning's or Brady? Assuming you mean 2nd or later contracts, Stafford, Foles, Flacco, Rodgers, Brees, Rothliesberger, Brad Johnson, Dilfer, Elway etc.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 1, 2023 19:46:28 GMT -5
It wasn’t a good look, no matter our fandom. The snow angels I can forgive, since I don’t think he knew that Foles was injured, but the ‘go to sleep’ was a bit over the top and I love KT, just think that was wrong. a bit disturbing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 19:49:59 GMT -5
It wasn’t a good look, no matter our fandom. The snow angels I can forgive, since I don’t think he knew that Foles was injured, but the ‘go to sleep’ was a bit over the top and I love KT, just think that was wrong. a bit disturbing Not a good optic.. The sleep thing especially isn't good.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 1, 2023 19:52:00 GMT -5
More fussy people here than I expected for a team in the first year of a 3 year rebuild.
We all fuss about the salary cap impact of players against the entire roster (starting with me)
But here we are wasting oodles of money on Golladay while moving ourselves into the playoffs.
Not saying it is unimportant, just saying there is more to it than what we pay our QB.
I think the real key is drafting well through the middle rounds to find cheap starters, something we didn't do for a decade before Schoen. Let's hope his year 1 is not an outlier like 1987.
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