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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 26, 2023 9:01:40 GMT -5
I have seen more than once the Giants really like him he is a good athlete tough fast think he has good size poor the position some stereo typed him into the safety role but he is plenty fast to stay at Corner.
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Post by jmike on Apr 26, 2023 9:59:25 GMT -5
I don't see him as a safety.
I like the player, not a first round type CB, but starting with our pick in the 2nd I would consider taking him. Physical, smart, solid tackler, good quickness and burst. Lacks expected length from a 6'1" CB though and a bit light. So some see him as a slot guy, I don't I think he can play inside or outside and fits well with what the Giants do with their CBs. I also anticipate he will be a plus contributor on specials.
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 26, 2023 10:01:09 GMT -5
I have seen more than once the Giants really like him he is a good athlete tough fast think he has good size poor the position some stereo typed him into the safety role but he is plenty fast to stay at Corner. I have seen him mock from late 3rd round to early 5th round. Moss has very good size and tested well at the combine. He can be converted to free safety.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 26, 2023 10:46:27 GMT -5
I have seen more than once the Giants really like him he is a good athlete tough fast think he has good size poor the position some stereo typed him into the safety role but he is plenty fast to stay at Corner. I have seen him mock from late 3rd round to early 5th round. Moss has very good size and tested well at the combine. He can be converted to free safety. They were projecting him to be a safety before the combine they all thought he would run in 4.5s he ran a 4.46 now they are sayin he can stay at Corner if a team chooses to keep him there. He stereo typed as slow and a lesser athlete the numbers don't lie.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 26, 2023 10:50:05 GMT -5
I don't see him as a safety. I like the player, not a first round type CB, but starting with our pick in the 2nd I would consider taking him. Physical, smart, solid tackler, good quickness and burst. Lacks expected length from a 6'1" CB though and a bit light. So some see him as a slot guy, I don't I think he can play inside or outside and fits well with what the Giants do with their CBs. I also anticipate he will be a plus contributor on specials. I think he is slotted as high as 3rd and low as the 5th Just a rumor they like a lot for me if they don't see 1 of the top 4 at 25 I would like to see tham get Brents or Rush
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Post by jmike on Apr 26, 2023 10:55:52 GMT -5
I have seen him mock from late 3rd round to early 5th round. Moss has very good size and tested well at the combine. He can be converted to free safety. They were projecting him to be a safety before the combine they all thought he would run in 4.5s he ran a 4.46 now they are sayin he can stay at Corner if a team chooses to keep him there. He stereo typed as slow and a lesser athlete the numbers don't lie. 4.45 40 1.48 10yrd split 39" Vert 10'7" broad 9.66 RAS only tests low on weight and bench.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 26, 2023 11:03:48 GMT -5
They were projecting him to be a safety before the combine they all thought he would run in 4.5s he ran a 4.46 now they are sayin he can stay at Corner if a team chooses to keep him there. He stereo typed as slow and a lesser athlete the numbers don't lie. 4.45 40 1.48 10yrd split 39" Vert 10'7" broad 9.66 RAS only tests low on weight and bench. I know in all the critical movement testing he was aces. I was saying before the combine he was stereo typed as not fast or athletic enough. The way I wrote it ,it came out wrong I meant the numbers he put up don't lie he belongs at corner.
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 26, 2023 16:35:16 GMT -5
I don't see him as a safety. I like the player, not a first round type CB, but starting with our pick in the 2nd I would consider taking him. Physical, smart, solid tackler, good quickness and burst. Lacks expected length from a 6'1" CB though and a bit light. So some see him as a slot guy, I don't I think he can play inside or outside and fits well with what the Giants do with their CBs. I also anticipate he will be a plus contributor on specials. I think he is slotted as high as 3rd and low as the 5th Just a rumor they like a lot for me if they don't see 1 of the top 4 at 25 I would like to see tham get Brents or Rush Another, CB I like in third or fourth round is Corey Trice from Purdue. Trice has good size and is physical . He too can be converted to safety.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 26, 2023 16:52:27 GMT -5
Stereotyping went out with the stereo. You either can play at this level, or you can’t. One of the best to ever do it George Young didn’t listen to the noise when he drafted Jason Sehorn in the second round. Moss is no where near the same athlete as Sehorn was, but not many players are. Moss is a physical specimen who has a knack of being around the ball.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 26, 2023 16:55:47 GMT -5
An experienced defender, Riley Moss has made his share of noise with his ball production, hauling in 11 interceptions and 26 pass breakups. Moss is an instinctive defender in zone coverage where his ability to cue the backfield and work into throwing lanes is a notable strength of his game. Moss is consistent with his coverage spacing and how he stays leveraged in zone. His background as a receiver shows up when he’s challenged and has an opportunity to make a play on the football. Moss is a sound run defender that knows how to fit the run, take on contact, and spill runs back toward the inside. He is physical when taking on blocks, often forcing the ball carrier to slow his feet because the anticipated space is unavailable. It’s easy to love how competitive Moss is when he has the chance to be physical whether that’s in press coverage, at the top of routes, at the catch point, playing off contact, and tackling which suggests he can provide notable value on special teams.
While his straight-line speed is sufficient, I don’t find Moss to be a twitchy or dynamic mover that can mirror and match routes with consistency in man coverage. Moss has ordinary length, which is not ideal for a corner that projects to a zone scheme at the next level. While he isn’t a passive tackler or downhill player, there are too many missed tackle attempts due to inconsistent angles and failure to securely wrap up the ball carrier. Is a move to safety necessary for him to find success at the next level?
Moss has the makeup of a player that can provide valuable depth and strong special teams contributions. In the right situation, I wouldn’t rule out him making an impact on defense given his football intelligence, ball skills, and physicality.
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Ball skills Competitive toughness Football IQ
Top Reasons For Concern: Man coverage Length given projected role Missed tackles
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 26, 2023 17:01:04 GMT -5
Not projected to flourish in a man heavy system (which we tend to run).
Lots of missed tackles, takes poor angles, I'd rather look at someone like Rejzohn Wright from Oregon St, Kyu Blu Kelly from Stanford, or Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson from TCU. All players we could get in the 3rd or 4th.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 26, 2023 20:27:37 GMT -5
Stereotyping went out with the stereo. You either can play at this level, or you can’t. One of the best to ever do it George Young didn’t listen to the noise when he drafted Jason Sehorn in the second round. Moss is no where near the same athlete as Sehorn was, but not many players are. Moss is a physical specimen who has a knack of being around the ball. Not with this kid before he showed them they wee expecting him to run in the 4.5 s and not have the athleticism a scout said he is gonna open there eyes and he did excellent 3 cone also.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 26, 2023 20:38:54 GMT -5
An experienced defender, Riley Moss has made his share of noise with his ball production, hauling in 11 interceptions and 26 pass breakups. Moss is an instinctive defender in zone coverage where his ability to cue the backfield and work into throwing lanes is a notable strength of his game. Moss is consistent with his coverage spacing and how he stays leveraged in zone. His background as a receiver shows up when he’s challenged and has an opportunity to make a play on the football. Moss is a sound run defender that knows how to fit the run, take on contact, and spill runs back toward the inside. He is physical when taking on blocks, often forcing the ball carrier to slow his feet because the anticipated space is unavailable. It’s easy to love how competitive Moss is when he has the chance to be physical whether that’s in press coverage, at the top of routes, at the catch point, playing off contact, and tackling which suggests he can provide notable value on special teams.
While his straight-line speed is sufficient, I don’t find Moss to be a twitchy or dynamic mover that can mirror and match routes with consistency in man coverage. Moss has ordinary length, which is not ideal for a corner that projects to a zone scheme at the next level. While he isn’t a passive tackler or downhill player, there are too many missed tackle attempts due to inconsistent angles and failure to securely wrap up the ball carrier. Is a move to safety necessary for him to find success at the next level?
Moss has the makeup of a player that can provide valuable depth and strong special teams contributions. In the right situation, I wouldn’t rule out him making an impact on defense given his football intelligence, ball skills, and physicality.
Top Reasons to Buy In:
Ball skills Competitive toughness Football IQ
Top Reasons For Concern: Man coverage Length given projected role Missed tackles
This is just a rumor that the Giants were interested din him then again maybe in 4th or 5th round he did have an excellent 3cone and had an excellent RAS score guess it is not translating to the field.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 26, 2023 20:41:30 GMT -5
Not projected to flourish in a man heavy system (which we tend to run). Lots of missed tackles, takes poor angles, I'd rather look at someone like Rejzohn Wright from Oregon St, Kyu Blu Kelly from Stanford, or Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson from TCU. All players we could get in the 3rd or 4th. I really like Kellyplays the game with an edge some work and he can be a future starter.
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Post by lt56 on Apr 26, 2023 23:16:00 GMT -5
trying to recreate history and find another Jason Sehorn? LMFAO
No but Riley Moss can play for sure, if he fits Wink System/Scheme then make it happen
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Post by jmike on Apr 27, 2023 7:39:49 GMT -5
I think he is slotted as high as 3rd and low as the 5th Just a rumor they like a lot for me if they don't see 1 of the top 4 at 25 I would like to see tham get Brents or Rush Another, CB I like in third or fourth round is Corey Trice from Purdue. Trice has good size and is physical . He too can be converted to safety. I like Trice also. If there weren't so many CBs in this draft he would be getting more attention.
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Post by jmike on Apr 27, 2023 7:43:30 GMT -5
Not projected to flourish in a man heavy system (which we tend to run). Lots of missed tackles, takes poor angles, I'd rather look at someone like Rejzohn Wright from Oregon St, Kyu Blu Kelly from Stanford, or Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson from TCU. All players we could get in the 3rd or 4th. I like all three players. Kelly though is not good with his back to the ball or mirroring. He is a much better fit in a zone heavy scheme.
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Post by jmike on Apr 27, 2023 7:45:18 GMT -5
trying to recreate history and find another Jason Sehorn? LMFAO No but Riley Moss can play for sure, if he fits Wink System/Scheme then make it happen Moss is more similar to Devon Witherspoon. Lesser version obviously, but similar in play style and backfield versatility. Neither have top shelf speed, but both have enough speed.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 27, 2023 17:49:06 GMT -5
Not projected to flourish in a man heavy system (which we tend to run). Lots of missed tackles, takes poor angles, I'd rather look at someone like Rejzohn Wright from Oregon St, Kyu Blu Kelly from Stanford, or Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson from TCU. All players we could get in the 3rd or 4th. I like all three players. Kelly though is not good with his back to the ball or mirroring. He is a much better fit in a zone heavy scheme. Funny you say that, cause his bread and butter is press-man coverage
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Post by jmike on Apr 27, 2023 18:57:10 GMT -5
I like all three players. Kelly though is not good with his back to the ball or mirroring. He is a much better fit in a zone heavy scheme. Funny you say that, cause his bread and butter is press-man coverage You may be right. But I don't see that and neither do most of the draft analysts I trust. I like the player, and if the Giants take him then you will likely be more right than me.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 27, 2023 19:04:58 GMT -5
Funny you say that, cause his bread and butter is press-man coverage You may be right. But I don't see that and neither do most of the draft analysts I trust. I like the player, and if the Giants take him then you will likely be more right than me. thedraftnetwork.com/sr-prospect/kyu-blu-kelly-2b60193b-5edd-4825-97fc-d8f644b7895d/CB Stanford Senior #58 6'1" 190lbs Prospect Summary Kyu Blu Kelly NFL Draft Scouting Report CB, Stanford Cardinal Stanford cornerback Kyu Blu Kelly is a former three-star recruit. He is an athletic cover man that stems from his background in track and field. Blu Kelly was a two-time state long jump champion, finishing second in the 200-meter and third in the 100-meter dash. His father played for USC and 11 years in the NFL for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Detroit Lions. As a freshman, Blu Kelly earned playing time and became the starter for the final nine games and has been the starter since. His experience will be valuable to NFL evaluators with more than 1,250 coverage snaps in his career. Blu Kelly is a competitive and sticky man-coverage corner. The confidence he displays when aligned tightly to the line of scrimmage is clear. Blu Kelly is patient and decisive in press-man coverage. He times his punches well to disrupt the timing of the wide receiver. His footwork is clean to mirror receivers in the release phase to stay attached once they enter their route stems. I appreciate his understanding of leverage and the coaching point of “take away something, to chase something.” Blu Kelly uses his pre-snap alignment to force receivers into his strengths. Typically aligning with inside leverage, he wants to carry routes vertically due to his sprinter background. It is easy to see how well he plays the upfield shoulder of the receiver and squeezes them to the sideline. Blu Kelly’s competitiveness at the catch point is impressive. He does a good job with positioning to attack the ball or play through the wide receiver’s hands. Blu Kelly has good route instincts to read and diagnose the receiver’s options. A willing participant in run defense. I admire his ability to squeeze and leverage the ball as a perimeter force defender. There are redeeming reps for Blu Kelly using side-saddle or Cover 3 bail technique. This gives hope of him operating in zone coverages at the next level if needed. Blu Kelly does not play with the same confidence or comfort in off-coverage. His transitions are not fluid and his footwork/technique is lacking. He seems too antsy and anxious to protect his leverage and hips. There are some issues with eye discipline for Blu Kelly. As a result, double moves have been a thorn in his side when he is asked to play with a cushion. He struggled versus USC receiver Jordan Addison, mostly from off-coverage, allowing the receiver to dictate pacing and manipulating leverage. This will limit his ability to play in multiple scheme or coverage concepts effectively, if not improved. Improving his tackling technique is important for his run support. Overall, Blu Kelly projects as an outside/field cornerback. I do believe there is upside to move into the slot if the matchup warrants it. He is a press-man-style corner that excels getting his hands on the receiver and staying hip to hip. There is upside to develop or become a CB1 for a defense. There is potential for him to become a shadow cornerback, following a wide receiver across formations. The physical tools/traits and coverage abilties garner day one or two consideration for the draft. Top Reasons to Buy In: Good ball production Man coverage specialist Playstyle and demeanor Top Reasons For Concern: Segmented transitions Scheme versatility Missed tackles
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Post by jmike on Apr 27, 2023 19:16:45 GMT -5
You may be right. But I don't see that and neither do most of the draft analysts I trust. I like the player, and if the Giants take him then you will likely be more right than me. thedraftnetwork.com/sr-prospect/kyu-blu-kelly-2b60193b-5edd-4825-97fc-d8f644b7895d/CB Stanford Senior #58 6'1" 190lbs Prospect Summary Kyu Blu Kelly NFL Draft Scouting Report CB, Stanford Cardinal Stanford cornerback Kyu Blu Kelly is a former three-star recruit. He is an athletic cover man that stems from his background in track and field. Blu Kelly was a two-time state long jump champion, finishing second in the 200-meter and third in the 100-meter dash. His father played for USC and 11 years in the NFL for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Detroit Lions. As a freshman, Blu Kelly earned playing time and became the starter for the final nine games and has been the starter since. His experience will be valuable to NFL evaluators with more than 1,250 coverage snaps in his career. Blu Kelly is a competitive and sticky man-coverage corner. The confidence he displays when aligned tightly to the line of scrimmage is clear. Blu Kelly is patient and decisive in press-man coverage. He times his punches well to disrupt the timing of the wide receiver. His footwork is clean to mirror receivers in the release phase to stay attached once they enter their route stems. I appreciate his understanding of leverage and the coaching point of “take away something, to chase something.” Blu Kelly uses his pre-snap alignment to force receivers into his strengths. Typically aligning with inside leverage, he wants to carry routes vertically due to his sprinter background. It is easy to see how well he plays the upfield shoulder of the receiver and squeezes them to the sideline. Blu Kelly’s competitiveness at the catch point is impressive. He does a good job with positioning to attack the ball or play through the wide receiver’s hands. Blu Kelly has good route instincts to read and diagnose the receiver’s options. A willing participant in run defense. I admire his ability to squeeze and leverage the ball as a perimeter force defender. There are redeeming reps for Blu Kelly using side-saddle or Cover 3 bail technique. This gives hope of him operating in zone coverages at the next level if needed. Blu Kelly does not play with the same confidence or comfort in off-coverage. His transitions are not fluid and his footwork/technique is lacking. He seems too antsy and anxious to protect his leverage and hips. There are some issues with eye discipline for Blu Kelly. As a result, double moves have been a thorn in his side when he is asked to play with a cushion. He struggled versus USC receiver Jordan Addison, mostly from off-coverage, allowing the receiver to dictate pacing and manipulating leverage. This will limit his ability to play in multiple scheme or coverage concepts effectively, if not improved. Improving his tackling technique is important for his run support. Overall, Blu Kelly projects as an outside/field cornerback. I do believe there is upside to move into the slot if the matchup warrants it. He is a press-man-style corner that excels getting his hands on the receiver and staying hip to hip. There is upside to develop or become a CB1 for a defense. There is potential for him to become a shadow cornerback, following a wide receiver across formations. The physical tools/traits and coverage abilties garner day one or two consideration for the draft. Top Reasons to Buy In: Good ball production Man coverage specialist Playstyle and demeanor Top Reasons For Concern: Segmented transitions Scheme versatility Missed tackles K
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 27, 2023 19:41:12 GMT -5
thedraftnetwork.com/sr-prospect/kyu-blu-kelly-2b60193b-5edd-4825-97fc-d8f644b7895d/CB Stanford Senior #58 6'1" 190lbs Prospect Summary Kyu Blu Kelly NFL Draft Scouting Report CB, Stanford Cardinal Stanford cornerback Kyu Blu Kelly is a former three-star recruit. He is an athletic cover man that stems from his background in track and field. Blu Kelly was a two-time state long jump champion, finishing second in the 200-meter and third in the 100-meter dash. His father played for USC and 11 years in the NFL for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Detroit Lions. As a freshman, Blu Kelly earned playing time and became the starter for the final nine games and has been the starter since. His experience will be valuable to NFL evaluators with more than 1,250 coverage snaps in his career. Blu Kelly is a competitive and sticky man-coverage corner. The confidence he displays when aligned tightly to the line of scrimmage is clear. Blu Kelly is patient and decisive in press-man coverage. He times his punches well to disrupt the timing of the wide receiver. His footwork is clean to mirror receivers in the release phase to stay attached once they enter their route stems. I appreciate his understanding of leverage and the coaching point of “take away something, to chase something.” Blu Kelly uses his pre-snap alignment to force receivers into his strengths. Typically aligning with inside leverage, he wants to carry routes vertically due to his sprinter background. It is easy to see how well he plays the upfield shoulder of the receiver and squeezes them to the sideline. Blu Kelly’s competitiveness at the catch point is impressive. He does a good job with positioning to attack the ball or play through the wide receiver’s hands. Blu Kelly has good route instincts to read and diagnose the receiver’s options. A willing participant in run defense. I admire his ability to squeeze and leverage the ball as a perimeter force defender. There are redeeming reps for Blu Kelly using side-saddle or Cover 3 bail technique. This gives hope of him operating in zone coverages at the next level if needed. Blu Kelly does not play with the same confidence or comfort in off-coverage. His transitions are not fluid and his footwork/technique is lacking. He seems too antsy and anxious to protect his leverage and hips. There are some issues with eye discipline for Blu Kelly. As a result, double moves have been a thorn in his side when he is asked to play with a cushion. He struggled versus USC receiver Jordan Addison, mostly from off-coverage, allowing the receiver to dictate pacing and manipulating leverage. This will limit his ability to play in multiple scheme or coverage concepts effectively, if not improved. Improving his tackling technique is important for his run support. Overall, Blu Kelly projects as an outside/field cornerback. I do believe there is upside to move into the slot if the matchup warrants it. He is a press-man-style corner that excels getting his hands on the receiver and staying hip to hip. There is upside to develop or become a CB1 for a defense. There is potential for him to become a shadow cornerback, following a wide receiver across formations. The physical tools/traits and coverage abilties garner day one or two consideration for the draft. Top Reasons to Buy In: Good ball production Man coverage specialist Playstyle and demeanor Top Reasons For Concern: Segmented transitions Scheme versatility Missed tackles K You were talking about analysts you trust, so I figured I'd share 1 that I trust and their write up on Kelly
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Post by jmike on Apr 27, 2023 19:54:55 GMT -5
You were talking about analysts you trust, so I figured I'd share 1 that I trust and their write up on Kelly Yeah, I figured.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 27, 2023 19:55:53 GMT -5
You were talking about analysts you trust, so I figured I'd share 1 that I trust and their write up on Kelly Yeah, I figured. K
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