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Post by lasion2 on Oct 13, 2018 19:28:24 GMT -5
Laid up after a foot procedure. So, I took special interest in the Oregon/Washington and ND/Pitt games to scope out some qbs.
Quick take: I’d take Herbert this year and be happy, but wouldn’t mind another year of tanking, solidifying the oline, and getting Book in 2020. Both options agreeable to me, though Elway looked especially impressed with Herbert during the game. There could be a play there.
Can’t believe I’m already in draft mode, but hey, keeps me entertained.
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Post by giantfromtheoz on Oct 13, 2018 20:10:45 GMT -5
Herbert looked real today. Against a ranked team, played a good game. Made some NFL throws against man and zone. And the ability to escape the pocket and throw on the run is refreshing to see. Having a new #10 in town next season would be great to see, his field vision and accuracy would allow him to start right away and learn on the run. But I wouldn't be putting anyone with potential behind that o-line.
Not too sure on Book, haven't actually seen much of him. But Tua looks good. Fromm looks like he's having second year syndrome. But he wouldn't be the first quarterback to have a down year in his 2nd college season.
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Post by nyg9289 on Oct 14, 2018 14:32:14 GMT -5
Herbert looked real today. Against a ranked team, played a good game. Made some NFL throws against man and zone. And the ability to escape the pocket and throw on the run is refreshing to see. Having a new #10 in town next season would be great to see, his field vision and accuracy would allow him to start right away and learn on the run. But I wouldn't be putting anyone with potential behind that o-line. Not too sure on Book, haven't actually seen much of him. But Tua looks good. Fromm looks like he's having second year syndrome. But he wouldn't be the first quarterback to have a down year in his 2nd college season. This line wouldn't look so bad with Herbert as QB. Colleges are no longer producing top Oline talent like they used to because the college game has been changed so drastically. These college teams are all running spread offenses where they teach the linemen to only hold blocks for a couple seconds. That doesn't work in the NFL. That's why the Chiefs are having so much success because they are running a shotgun heavy offense with a mobile QB who has threats to get the ball out to quickly. Their line is not good, and yet they score in bunches. |
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Post by desertash on Oct 14, 2018 14:57:45 GMT -5
Herbert looked real today. Against a ranked team, played a good game. Made some NFL throws against man and zone. And the ability to escape the pocket and throw on the run is refreshing to see. Having a new #10 in town next season would be great to see, his field vision and accuracy would allow him to start right away and learn on the run. But I wouldn't be putting anyone with potential behind that o-line. Not too sure on Book, haven't actually seen much of him. But Tua looks good. Fromm looks like he's having second year syndrome. But he wouldn't be the first quarterback to have a down year in his 2nd college season. This line wouldn't look so bad with Herbert as QB. Colleges are no longer producing top Oline talent like they used to because the college game has been changed so drastically. These college teams are all running spread offenses where they teach the linemen to only hold blocks for a couple seconds. That doesn't work in the NFL. That's why the Chiefs are having so much success because they are running a shotgun heavy offense with a mobile QB who has threats to get the ball out to quickly. Their line is not good, and yet they score in bunches. no...he'd be killed watch the tape and see how often Solder, Omameh and the others are simply beat off the snap instantly
it's as bad as I've witnessed in 45 years of watching the NFL
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Post by jaymas on Oct 14, 2018 15:16:38 GMT -5
I like Herbert a lot.
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Post by nyg9289 on Oct 14, 2018 15:28:02 GMT -5
This line wouldn't look so bad with Herbert as QB. Colleges are no longer producing top Oline talent like they used to because the college game has been changed so drastically. These college teams are all running spread offenses where they teach the linemen to only hold blocks for a couple seconds. That doesn't work in the NFL. That's why the Chiefs are having so much success because they are running a shotgun heavy offense with a mobile QB who has threats to get the ball out to quickly. Their line is not good, and yet they score in bunches. no...he'd be killed watch the tape and see how often Solder, Omameh and the others are simply beat off the snap instantly
it's as bad as I've witnessed in 45 years of watching the NFL
not going to argue this because I know you are an Eli homer who will defend him no matter what |
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Post by EliQB10 on Oct 14, 2018 16:51:29 GMT -5
no...he'd be killed watch the tape and see how often Solder, Omameh and the others are simply beat off the snap instantly
it's as bad as I've witnessed in 45 years of watching the NFL
not going to argue this because I know you are an Eli homer who will defend him no matter what Yeah Herbert is mobile and can extend plays but I think a lot of QBs would struggle behind this line...should we make excuses for our OL when they suck so bad? Have you seen Goff and the Rams OL?....Goff is mobile but it sure helps him to have enough time to go through all of his progressions, not to mention effective run blocking for Gurley |
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Post by bizcliz on Oct 15, 2018 8:37:05 GMT -5
no...he'd be killed watch the tape and see how often Solder, Omameh and the others are simply beat off the snap instantly
it's as bad as I've witnessed in 45 years of watching the NFL
not going to argue this because I know you are an Eli homer who will defend him no matter what its possible to admit that the offensive line is terrible and not be a Manning "homer" i dont understand why the line of thought here is always it's either X or Y, but definitely not both |
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Post by lasion2 on Oct 16, 2018 11:00:49 GMT -5
not going to argue this because I know you are an Eli homer who will defend him no matter what its possible to admit that the offensive line is terrible and not be a Manning "homer" i dont understand why the line of thought here is always it's either X or Y, but definitely not both It’s absolutely both. Qb/oline at 1/1a for draft needs. If Herbert isn’t the guy, then you go get the tackle from Alabama. If he is then you get one of the Wisconsin kids in rd 2. |
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Post by KingCap88 on Oct 16, 2018 12:18:20 GMT -5
I don't think I could stand a 3rd straight dumpster fire season just to draft a QB in 2020. I'd take Herbert in 2019. While the Giants need some more OL help the QB position is clearly the number one position of need. Now, if the Giants were to bench Eli and put Lauletta in and he showed he had the makings of a starting QB then I'd say the Giants could go OL in the first round.
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 16, 2018 12:43:16 GMT -5
its possible to admit that the offensive line is terrible and not be a Manning "homer" i dont understand why the line of thought here is always it's either X or Y, but definitely not both It’s absolutely both. Qb/oline at 1/1a for draft needs. If Herbert isn’t the guy, then you go get the tackle from Alabama. If he is then you get one of the Wisconsin kids in rd 2. Its ABSOLUTELY both. I agree, if we dont want to take Herbert id be totally fine with OT Jonah Williams from Alabama, maybe even LB Devin White from LSU, CB Greedy Williams from LSU, DL Ed Oliver from Houston, or DL Nick Bosa from Ohio St We dont HAVE to go QB, but if we dont we need a game plan ready to go. Maybe get a stop gap qb like Mariotta, Taylor, Bridgewater, or even Fitz and wait til 2020 for Fromm, Eason, Book, or Tugaliova. Maybe even get 1 of those qb's mentioned in addition to Herbert or Lock As for the Wisconsin kids, man that school produces alot of OL talent. This year my fav has to be Tyler Biadacz, he can start day 1 at C or G, not really many holes in his game, he's quick, strong, just as good at pass blocking as he is at run blocking. Right now he is going in the low 3rd/high 4th, but I could see him going higher |
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Post by lasion2 on Oct 16, 2018 15:40:25 GMT -5
I’m on board with almost all of that, Kase. I’m gonna start watching Wisconsin games. The other kid from Alabama looks good, as well as the kid from ND. I don’t know names, yet, but I think they’re both there in rounds 2-3.
As far as a stop gap, I’m think Lauletta should get reps in practice, mop up time in games, and then start the last quarter of the season. We’ll know if it’s necessary to go get someone on New Years Day. We might have our own Nick Foles on our roster for the next four years...
I may be guilty of target fixation. But the other positions that we could draft don’t interest me much right now. I’d take Bosa if he has a killer combine, but I don’t see a lb, a dt, or a cb that would be worthy of a top 3 draft pick. However, I absolutely agree those positions, as well as FS need to be addressed in the next 3 years.
Kingcap88, brother, I hear ya. This sucks. But, did you see the all-22 vs the eagles? Or baldys breakdowns? We are terrible. Across the board terrible. A rookie qb, or a stop gap guy is not gonna solve this. It’s gonna take 3 excellent drafts, some luck, and a ton of resolve by both us the fans, the players, the staff....everybody gonna have to put the big boy rocket ship Underoos on and aim at 2022.
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