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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2023 20:23:21 GMT -5
Daniels the 2023 Heisman Trophy Winner declared he's shutting everything down to declare for the 2024 NFL draft. 40 TD's, just under 5,000 yds run and pass in 2023. He could be the 3rd ranked college QB coming out this year.
Quite a number of the early mock drafts have the Giants targeting him. Many talking heads all excited.
If we could stay in the first 5 picks we might have a chance for this guy. If we have to trade up from the #5 spot it might be a little cheaper in draft capital. The #5 slot is the best realistic earliest slot I think we could hope for in the draft.
Many of you know college players better than me would this kid look good in Blue playing in N.J. ?
Was this expected ?
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Post by vinnie on Dec 19, 2023 20:32:00 GMT -5
No idea how he’ll do in the NFL and that’s not up to me to figure out but I do feel we need to draft a QB and Schoen and Dabs jobs will depend on how he turns out IMO so they better get it right.
I looked at the last 10 QB’s to win the Heisman (who went to the NFL) and IIRC, 6-7 were busts or slightly below average while the others were good to very good. In other words, the odds aren’t in Daniels favor but maybe he’ll defy the odds. I guess what I’m saying, is that winning the Heisman as a QB is far from a guarantee that he’ll be good in the NFL.
2021 – Bryce Young, QB, Alabama 2019 – Joe Burrow, QB, LSU 2018 – Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma 2017 – Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 2016 – Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville 2014 – Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon 2013 – Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State 2012 – Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M 2011 – Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor 2010 – Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 19, 2023 20:36:17 GMT -5
No idea how he’ll do in the NFL and that’s not up to me to figure out but I do feel we need to draft a QB and Schoen and Dabs jobs will depend on how he turns out IMO so they better get it right. I looked at the last 10 QB’s to win the Heisman and IIRC, 5 were busts while the others were good to very good. 50% odds seems better than anything else we've done this decade. Can you find a factor that leads to 50% OL success rate?
Daniels is my pick for QB in this draft. I think he by far the best QB. There is risk in taking a QB with his style, can this offensive minded HC and our OC maximize what he can do? Well their jobs would depend on it. Anyone think Lamar Jackson would have won the MVP with Judge and Garrett?
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Post by vinnie on Dec 19, 2023 20:42:18 GMT -5
No idea how he’ll do in the NFL and that’s not up to me to figure out but I do feel we need to draft a QB and Schoen and Dabs jobs will depend on how he turns out IMO so they better get it right. I looked at the last 10 QB’s to win the Heisman and IIRC, 5 were busts while the others were good to very good. 50% odds seems better than anything else we've done this decade. Can you find a factor that leads to 50% OL success rate?
Daniels is my pick for QB in this draft. I think he by far the best QB. There is risk in taking a QB with his style, can this offensive minded HC and our OC maximize what he can do? Well their jobs would depend on it. Anyone think Lamar Jackson would have won the MVP with Judge and Garrett?
I edited my post above. I wouldn’t be in favor of drafting an O lineman in the top 10.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2023 20:48:01 GMT -5
No idea how he’ll do in the NFL and that’s not up to me to figure out but I do feel we need to draft a QB and Schoen and Dabs jobs will depend on how he turns out IMO so they better get it right. I looked at the last 10 QB’s to win the Heisman (who went to the NFL) and IIRC, 6-7 were busts or slightly below average while the others were good to very good. In other words, the odds aren’t in Daniels favor but maybe he’ll defy the odds. I guess what I’m saying, is that winning the Heisman as a QB is far from a guarantee that he’ll be good in the NFL. 2021 – Bryce Young, QB, Alabama 2019 – Joe Burrow, QB, LSU 2018 – Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma 2017 – Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 2016 – Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville 2014 – Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon 2013 – Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State 2012 – Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M 2011 – Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor 2010 – Cam Newton, QB, Auburn I'd like to order a Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson please.
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 19, 2023 20:52:04 GMT -5
Daniels is worth taking a look at but I would hate to trade away draft capital away from this lousy team for a QB that struggled at Arizona State.
I like Drake Maye otherwise not too high on the others. But at least Daniels has the decisiveness to declare for the draft unlike Crybaby Williams...well he is a 5th year Senior so probably doesn't have a choice.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 19, 2023 21:05:25 GMT -5
Be interesting how high he climbs he will probably run and jump out of the Gym and throw the ball a country mile. think he wi be a top 5 pick by the end of the process
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2023 21:07:32 GMT -5
Daniels is worth taking a look at but I would hate to trade away draft capital away from this lousy team for a QB that struggled at Arizona State. I like Drake Maye otherwise not too high on the others. But at least Daniels has the decisiveness to declare for the draft unlike Crybaby Williams...well he is a 5th year Senior so probably doesn't have a choice. The more I hear about this Caleb Williams the more nervous I get.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 19, 2023 21:08:14 GMT -5
Daniels is worth taking a look at but I would hate to trade away draft capital away from this lousy team for a QB that struggled at Arizona State. I like Drake Maye otherwise not too high on the others. See, I actually watched quite a few of Maye’s games and only a couple of Daniels. I don’t know what to think of Daniels but I’m not a Maye fan in the slightest bit. Having said that, I liked Rosen and there’s been plenty of other QB’s I thought would do well in the NFL that didn’t do well and vice versa. So basically I don’t know shit, just like most of the GM’s who drafted QB’s on that Heisman list, lol. Like I said, I just hope Schoen gets it right for his sake and the Giants.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 19, 2023 21:13:11 GMT -5
Daniels is worth taking a look at but I would hate to trade away draft capital away from this lousy team for a QB that struggled at Arizona State. I like Drake Maye otherwise not too high on the others. But at least Daniels has the decisiveness to declare for the draft unlike Crybaby Williams...well he is a 5th year Senior so probably doesn't have a choice. The more I hear about this Caleb Williams the more nervous I get. As you should IMO.
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 19, 2023 21:48:37 GMT -5
Daniels is worth taking a look at but I would hate to trade away draft capital away from this lousy team for a QB that struggled at Arizona State. I like Drake Maye otherwise not too high on the others. See, I actually watched quite a few of Maye’s games and only a couple of Daniels. I don’t know what to think of Daniels but I’m not a Maye fan in the slightest bit. Having said that, I liked Rosen and there’s been plenty of other QB’s I thought would do well in the NFL that didn’t do well and vice versa. So basically I don’t know shit, just like most of the GM’s who drafted QB’s on that Heisman list, lol. Like I said, I just hope Schoen gets it right for his sake and the Giants. Didn't really watch a whole lot of any of them but I see talent in all 3.... Williams, Maye, and Daniels. Maybe Daniels would hold up fine was his frame, that's my main concern. but probably shouldn't be judging QBs off highlight videos...Zach Wilson was compared to Mahomes with his. Looks like Maye has a little Josh Allen in him from some of the throws I've watched.
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Post by jerky on Dec 19, 2023 21:56:20 GMT -5
I don't want anyone with Daniel in their name.
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Post by Modog on Dec 19, 2023 21:57:20 GMT -5
I don't want anyone with Daniel in their name. While we are at, I don't want the Giants to ever draft a Duke QB again
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Post by bavarobeast on Dec 19, 2023 22:03:11 GMT -5
Danials is going to be a star. Lacks nothing. Great Arm Accurate Elusive Tough Smart Every box is checked.
Anyone with doubts about him aren’t up to speed on the kid, If we land him 90% chance he’s behind center for the Giants for years.
Our meaningless wins may have cost us a shot at him. That’s an awful trade.
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Post by Modog on Dec 19, 2023 22:18:05 GMT -5
Danials is going to be a star. Lacks nothing. Great Arm Accurate Elusive Tough Smart Every box is checked. Anyone with doubts about him aren’t up to speed on the kid, If we land him 90% chance he’s behind center for the Giants for years. Our meaningless wins may have cost us a shot at him. That’s an awful trade. Imo he may go above Maye, especially after a solid combine, which he will absolutely have. Bears(Panthers pick), Patriots , and Commies all will go QB
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Post by Nite on Dec 19, 2023 22:39:39 GMT -5
No idea how he’ll do in the NFL and that’s not up to me to figure out but I do feel we need to draft a QB and Schoen and Dabs jobs will depend on how he turns out IMO so they better get it right. I looked at the last 10 QB’s to win the Heisman (who went to the NFL) and IIRC, 6-7 were busts or slightly below average while the others were good to very good. In other words, the odds aren’t in Daniels favor but maybe he’ll defy the odds. I guess what I’m saying, is that winning the Heisman as a QB is far from a guarantee that he’ll be good in the NFL. 2021 – Bryce Young, QB, Alabama 2019 – Joe Burrow, QB, LSU 2018 – Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma 2017 – Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 2016 – Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville 2014 – Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon 2013 – Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State 2012 – Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M 2011 – Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor 2010 – Cam Newton, QB, Auburn There are only three from this list that have been good. The rest meh. Just goes to show that a Heisman is no guarantee of success in the NFL. I would be somewhat learry of Daniels at this point. However if the FO has conviction and he falls to us then we go git him.....I think there are better choices IMO
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Post by GameTime on Dec 19, 2023 22:39:46 GMT -5
Daniels is worth taking a look at but I would hate to trade away draft capital away from this lousy team for a QB that struggled at Arizona State. I like Drake Maye otherwise not too high on the others. See, I actually watched quite a few of Maye’s games and only a couple of Daniels. I don’t know what to think of Daniels but I’m not a Maye fan in the slightest bit. Having said that, I liked Rosen and there’s been plenty of other QB’s I thought would do well in the NFL that didn’t do well and vice versa. So basically I don’t know shit, just like most of the GM’s who drafted QB’s on that Heisman list, lol. Like I said, I just hope Schoen gets it right for his sake and the Giants.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 19, 2023 22:41:21 GMT -5
Heisman or not any QB's odds to have a long successful career in the NFL is a long a shot.
It ain't easy as we all know
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 20, 2023 6:51:01 GMT -5
Danials is going to be a star. Lacks nothing. Great Arm Accurate Elusive Tough Smart Every box is checked. Anyone with doubts about him aren’t up to speed on the kid, If we land him 90% chance he’s behind center for the Giants for years. Our meaningless wins may have cost us a shot at him. That’s an awful trade. His stature combined with style of play are my concerns. If he’s upwards of 210-lbs-215lbs I won’t be as concerned, but he looks skinny.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 20, 2023 7:47:45 GMT -5
from what I've seen of his play, he's the QB 1 in the draft for me. I think he goes really high.
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Post by Analyst on Dec 20, 2023 8:25:42 GMT -5
Danials is going to be a star. Lacks nothing. Great Arm Accurate Elusive Tough Smart Every box is checked. Anyone with doubts about him aren’t up to speed on the kid, If we land him 90% chance he’s behind center for the Giants for years. Our meaningless wins may have cost us a shot at him. That’s an awful trade. Those "meaningless wins" may have saved Brian Dabolls job here. JD is my QB1, but he had a ton of talent around him at LSU. That is worth noting. He has 2 WRs that will be 1st round picks. We have seen Ohio St QBs play that game quite a bit and fail.
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Post by bigblueones on Dec 20, 2023 8:58:15 GMT -5
I've been blessed to see Jayden Daniels play 5-6 times and have been up close on the field, our daughter was on the LSU dance team. The kid always has a smile in real life, he's much faster than he appears on TV. He has a very good deep ball. Way back when I remember Donovan McNabb struck me the same way although I think he got a little too big. I would salivate over Daniels being our QB. He makes reads very quickly and is smart with the ball. Keep in mind he beat Burrow/Jefferson/Chase for a trio producing yards and TD's. When he runs and you're there, he just pulls away like he has wings. If they put 10-15 pounds on him he's perfect. Plus remember it's now the National Flagfootball League so I'm not so concerned about his durability.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2023 9:56:12 GMT -5
Danials is going to be a star. Lacks nothing. Great Arm Accurate Elusive Tough Smart Every box is checked. Anyone with doubts about him aren’t up to speed on the kid, If we land him 90% chance he’s behind center for the Giants for years. Our meaningless wins may have cost us a shot at him. That’s an awful trade. Those "meaningless wins" may have saved Brian Dabolls job here. JD is my QB1, but he had a ton of talent around him at LSU. That is worth noting. He has 2 WRs that will be 1st round picks. We have seen Ohio St QBs play that game quite a bit and fail. Thing is that teams like the Giants and the Bears come to mind have left there draft pick with little talent around them I don't think either has even had a #1 I know here it was questionable at time if that had even a #2. In the NFL no QB is carrying a team completely devoid of talent. I think if a kid like Daniels is coachable if Daboll gets his hands on him and he has the work ethic he can really become a great all around QB that said Schoen needs to get him protection and a legit #1 threat to go with whats here already.
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Post by Analyst on Dec 20, 2023 10:16:58 GMT -5
POSITIVES
— Elite athleticism. Excellent burst, agility, and speed for the position.
— Above-average pocket management and toughness.
— Above-average process within the pocket. Ties his feet to his eyes to remain in a throwing position late in the progression.
— Good ability to create. Dangerous runner with sparse flashes of creativity as a thrower outside the pocket.
— Very good deep-ball accuracy. Consistently drops it in the bucket.
NEGATIVES
— Skinny frame with a reckless abandon as a ball-carrier. Opens himself up to future injury.
— Mediocre velocity. Can sometimes struggle driving the ball into tight windows.
— Inconsistent accuracy to the short and intermediate areas, especially if not throwing on time.
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Post by inthezone on Dec 20, 2023 10:21:24 GMT -5
POSITIVES — Elite athleticism. Excellent burst, agility, and speed for the position. — Above-average pocket management and toughness. — Above-average process within the pocket. Ties his feet to his eyes to remain in a throwing position late in the progression. — Good ability to create. Dangerous runner with sparse flashes of creativity as a thrower outside the pocket. — Very good deep-ball accuracy. Consistently drops it in the bucket. NEGATIVES — Skinny frame with a reckless abandon as a ball-carrier. Opens himself up to future injury. — Mediocre velocity. Can sometimes struggle driving the ball into tight windows. — Inconsistent accuracy to the short and intermediate areas, especially if not throwing on time.
This is what scares me since most of the game as evolved with these type of passes.
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Post by inthezone on Dec 20, 2023 10:24:18 GMT -5
I've been blessed to see Jayden Daniels play 5-6 times and have been up close on the field, our daughter was on the LSU dance team. The kid always has a smile in real life, he's much faster than he appears on TV. He has a very good deep ball. Way back when I remember Donovan McNabb struck me the same way although I think he got a little too big. I would salivate over Daniels being our QB. He makes reads very quickly and is smart with the ball. Keep in mind he beat Burrow/Jefferson/Chase for a trio producing yards and TD's. When he runs and you're there, he just pulls away like he has wings. If they put 10-15 pounds on him he's perfect. Plus remember it's now the National Flagfootball League so I'm not so concerned about his durability. With all the back up QBs currently playing you should be very concerned about durability. The rules aren't making a difference.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Dec 20, 2023 10:24:37 GMT -5
Danials is going to be a star. Lacks nothing. Great Arm Accurate Elusive Tough Smart Every box is checked. Anyone with doubts about him aren’t up to speed on the kid, If we land him 90% chance he’s behind center for the Giants for years. Our meaningless wins may have cost us a shot at him. That’s an awful trade. Rhetorical question: do you know how many times we’ve all heard such a forum scouting report for so many players for years?
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Post by inconvenientruth on Dec 20, 2023 10:37:17 GMT -5
Daniels is worth taking a look at but I would hate to trade away draft capital away from this lousy team for a QB that struggled at Arizona State. I like Drake Maye otherwise not too high on the others. But at least Daniels has the decisiveness to declare for the draft unlike Crybaby Williams...well he is a 5th year Senior so probably doesn't have a choice. The more I hear about this Caleb Williams the more nervous I get. Giants fans thinking Williams isn't Giants material is one of my favourite off seasons stories. One that won't age well
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Post by wtfjjk on Dec 20, 2023 11:03:29 GMT -5
No idea how he’ll do in the NFL and that’s not up to me to figure out but I do feel we need to draft a QB and Schoen and Dabs jobs will depend on how he turns out IMO so they better get it right. I looked at the last 10 QB’s to win the Heisman and IIRC, 5 were busts while the others were good to very good. 50% odds seems better than anything else we've done this decade. Can you find a factor that leads to 50% OL success rate?
Daniels is my pick for QB in this draft. I think he by far the best QB. There is risk in taking a QB with his style, can this offensive minded HC and our OC maximize what he can do? Well their jobs would depend on it. Anyone think Lamar Jackson would have won the MVP with Judge and Garrett?
Same, I would trade up for him but the two current teams with those picks can easily take him too.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Dec 20, 2023 11:12:01 GMT -5
Daniels the 2023 Heisman Trophy Winner declared he's shutting everything down to declare for the 2024 NFL draft. 40 TD's, just under 5,000 yds run and pass in 2023. He could be the 3rd ranked college QB coming out this year. Quite a number of the early mock drafts have the Giants targeting him. Many talking heads all excited. If we could stay in the first 5 picks we might have a chance for this guy. If we have to trade up from the #5 spot it might be a little cheaper in draft capital. The #5 slot is the best realistic earliest slot I think we could hope for in the draft. Many of you know college players better than me would this kid look good in Blue playing in N.J. ? Was this expected ? Love Daniels in the top 10, but prefer JJ Mcarthy. To me, this is the deepest QB class in quite some time. The fact remains that Daboll/JS will likely get fired with another terrible season with their current QB room (Devito/Jones) What do they do? tick tock.
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