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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2023 21:04:53 GMT -5
I had seen us in 3 different spots 5-7. But now apparently were sitting 6th.
1- Bears (Car.)
2- N.E.
3- Ariz.
4- Wash.
5- Bears
6- Giants
7- Jets
8 Titans
Now this week 2 games concern us Wash.-Jets and Bears-Ariz. If Wash. and the Bears could win with us losing to Philly were in 4th position with 2 games left.
We could have a real shot at a top QB in the 4th slot. Probably 3 out of the 1st 4 picks go QB. Any guesses ?
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Post by vinnie on Dec 19, 2023 21:20:59 GMT -5
Thankfully we beat NE and Washington, I’m sure those moral victories will be more worth next season than letting Schoen have his pick of a top QB or having a much better chance at trading back for more picks.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 20, 2023 0:15:25 GMT -5
Next Sept if Jones isn’t ready we can always look back to those awesome Washington and New England wins to carry us to victory even though it didn’t work vs New Orleans.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 20, 2023 6:20:46 GMT -5
Thankfully we beat NE and Washington, I’m sure those moral victories will be more worth next season than letting Schoen have his pick of a top QB or having a much better chance at trading back for more picks. there are no moral victories. They are just victories. They play to win. Or they try to play to win. I get what you are saying but I had to reply. |
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 20, 2023 6:36:44 GMT -5
Good stuff. Just checked Tankathon and they updated the order as well. Looks like our SOS got weaker somehow.
Out of the QBs I’ve seen I think two can have immediate success on a team with a poor OL like the Giants, and those two are Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels. Having Daniels fall into our laps could be a blessing in disguise. His speed and ability to get outside the pocket is amazing and would help overcome some of the OL deficiencies.
So long as he weighs in at a proper weight, I’d be thrilled with Daniels.
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 20, 2023 6:45:46 GMT -5
The Bears blowing that game last week is a kick in the dick. Can’t believe they let a bum Browns team come back on them.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 20, 2023 7:41:34 GMT -5
Thankfully we beat NE and Washington, I’m sure those moral victories will be more worth next season than letting Schoen have his pick of a top QB or having a much better chance at trading back for more picks. there are no moral victories. They are just victories. They play to win. Or they try to play to win. I get what you are saying but I had to reply. losing both of those games would have been very bad. You'd be hearing talk about firing Daboll, etc. The instability is not worth the higher draft slot imho. |
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Post by vinnie on Dec 20, 2023 8:36:10 GMT -5
Thankfully we beat NE and Washington, I’m sure those moral victories will be more worth next season than letting Schoen have his pick of a top QB or having a much better chance at trading back for more picks. there are no moral victories. They are just victories. They play to win. Or they try to play to win. I get what you are saying but I had to reply. No, no you didn’t  |
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Post by vinnie on Dec 20, 2023 8:39:29 GMT -5
there are no moral victories. They are just victories. They play to win. Or they try to play to win. I get what you are saying but I had to reply. losing both of those games would have been very bad. You'd be hearing talk about firing Daboll, etc. The instability is not worth the higher draft slot imho. You would have heard the talk but Schoen and Dabs would still be here IMO and being able to get the QB they want or trading back for more picks (if they had a top 3 pick) could very well have been more beneficial towards saving their jobs, and the overall future success of this team, after next season than winning those two games…in my opinion only of course. No point in continuing to go down this road though, I think we all know where everyone stands on the issue  |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 20, 2023 8:45:24 GMT -5
losing both of those games would have been very bad. You'd be hearing talk about firing Daboll, etc. The instability is not worth the higher draft slot imho. You would have heard the talk but Schoen and Dabs would still be here IMO and being able to get the QB they want or trading back for more picks (if they had a top 3 pick) could very well have been more beneficial towards saving their jobs, and the overall future success of this team, after next season than winning those two games…in my opinion only of course. No point in continuing to go down this road though, I think we all know where everyone stands on the issue sadly there's not much else to discuss...  |
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 20, 2023 8:59:39 GMT -5
Read the Eagles suck so the Giants should have two more wins.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 20, 2023 9:03:59 GMT -5
Good stuff. Just checked Tankathon and they updated the order as well. Looks like our SOS got weaker somehow. Out of the QBs I’ve seen I think two can have immediate success on a team with a poor OL like the Giants, and those two are Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels. Having Daniels fall into our laps could be a blessing in disguise. His speed and ability to get outside the pocket is amazing and would help overcome some of the OL deficiencies. So long as he weighs in at a proper weight, I’d be thrilled with Daniels. Giants have to be in front the Bears 2nd #1 pick imo. It doesn’t appear the Bears have a 2nd Round pick so at the moment they pick #1, #5 and then wait until #72. That’s a big gap. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Dec 20, 2023 9:07:45 GMT -5
there are no moral victories. They are just victories. They play to win. Or they try to play to win. I get what you are saying but I had to reply. losing both of those games would have been very bad. You'd be hearing talk about firing Daboll, etc. The instability is not worth the higher draft slot imho. I respectfully disagree. Daboll and Co beating teams with horrendous records doesn’t factor into his job security or performance evaluation. I never root for us to lose but I would prefer losses and a higher draft choice to get the quarterback to lead us in the future. Our quarterbacks are taking us nowhere we want to go. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 20, 2023 9:27:49 GMT -5
losing both of those games would have been very bad. You'd be hearing talk about firing Daboll, etc. The instability is not worth the higher draft slot imho. I respectfully disagree. Daboll and Co beating teams with horrendous records doesn’t factor into his job security or performance evaluation. I never root for us to lose but I would prefer losses and a higher draft choice to get the quarterback to lead us in the future. Our quarterbacks are taking us nowhere we want to go. agree, yippie they won two games in which both teams looked horrendous. Give them one, two doesn’t make a difference beyond temporary window dressing. The team stinks. |
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 20, 2023 9:29:58 GMT -5
Good stuff. Just checked Tankathon and they updated the order as well. Looks like our SOS got weaker somehow. Out of the QBs I’ve seen I think two can have immediate success on a team with a poor OL like the Giants, and those two are Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels. Having Daniels fall into our laps could be a blessing in disguise. His speed and ability to get outside the pocket is amazing and would help overcome some of the OL deficiencies. So long as he weighs in at a proper weight, I’d be thrilled with Daniels. Giants have to be in front the Bears 2nd #1 pick imo. It doesn’t appear the Bears have a 2nd Round pick so at the moment they pick #1, #5 and then wait until #72. That’s a big gap.
Agreed, we would probably need to get to #4 and hope nobody trades to #3. I actually think Daniels ends up being the second QB off the board, so #4 might not even cut it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 20, 2023 9:37:35 GMT -5
Giants have to be in front the Bears 2nd #1 pick imo. It doesn’t appear the Bears have a 2nd Round pick so at the moment they pick #1, #5 and then wait until #72. That’s a big gap.
Agreed, we would probably need to get to #4 and hope nobody trades to #3. I actually think Daniels ends up being the second QB off the board, so #4 might not even cut it.
have to believe one of the top 4 will trade back. Only Dave Gettleman doesn’t pick up the phone when not going QB. |
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Post by Analyst on Dec 20, 2023 9:46:00 GMT -5
Thankfully we beat NE and Washington, I’m sure those moral victories will be more worth next season than letting Schoen have his pick of a top QB or having a much better chance at trading back for more picks. Maybe it saved us from drafting Drake Maye and him turning into another Daniel Jones... These things are tricky. Lamar Jackson was pick 32. If we lose those games and are sitting at 1-2 wins on the year for pick #1, it is highly unlikely Brian Daboll is here in 2024 and we lose everything all over again and start from scratch. Daboll knows this. Everything was falling apart for him when we were 2-8. The chopping block was right there. That 3 game win streak probably saved his job. |
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Post by packersfan12 on Dec 20, 2023 9:47:26 GMT -5
Thankfully we beat NE and Washington, I’m sure those moral victories will be more worth next season than letting Schoen have his pick of a top QB or having a much better chance at trading back for more picks. Maybe it saved us from drafting Drake Maye and him turning into another Daniel Jones... These things are tricky. Lamar Jackson was pick 32. If we lose those games and are sitting at 1-2 wins on the year for pick #1, it is highly unlikely Brian Daboll is here in 2024 and we lose everything all over again and start from scratch. I now hope my team loses out to get a better draft pick too. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 20, 2023 11:09:01 GMT -5
Good stuff. Just checked Tankathon and they updated the order as well. Looks like our SOS got weaker somehow. Out of the QBs I’ve seen I think two can have immediate success on a team with a poor OL like the Giants, and those two are Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels. Having Daniels fall into our laps could be a blessing in disguise. His speed and ability to get outside the pocket is amazing and would help overcome some of the OL deficiencies. So long as he weighs in at a proper weight, I’d be thrilled with Daniels. Giants have to be in front the Bears 2nd #1 pick imo. It doesn’t appear the Bears have a 2nd Round pick so at the moment they pick #1, #5 and then wait until #72. That’s a big gap. We have a good chance this week of jumping ahead of the Bears. Chicago plays Ariz. we need to root for the Bears. Also root for Wash. to beat the Jets and we lose to Philly we slide into the 4th slot with 2 games left. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 20, 2023 12:40:13 GMT -5
Giants have to be in front the Bears 2nd #1 pick imo. It doesn’t appear the Bears have a 2nd Round pick so at the moment they pick #1, #5 and then wait until #72. That’s a big gap. We have a good chance this week of jumping ahead of the Bears. Chicago plays Ariz. we need to root for the Bears. Also root for Wash. to beat the Jets and we lose to Philly we slide into the 4th slot with 2 games left. I simply cannot root for the Giants to lose to Philthy under any circumstances. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 20, 2023 12:57:36 GMT -5
We have a good chance this week of jumping ahead of the Bears. Chicago plays Ariz. we need to root for the Bears. Also root for Wash. to beat the Jets and we lose to Philly we slide into the 4th slot with 2 games left. I simply cannot root for the Giants to lose to Philthy under any circumstances. I know, We've been through this a few times. I understand. It's your heart bleeding Giant Blue. It just won't listen to your Brain knowing what's best. Root your heart out big guy I too would love to see the Philly season collapse at our feet. I would be smiling and cheering as well as our future QB would be almost impossible to obtain next year. It doesn't matter what fans do. But what's best for us is what I'm rooting for as much as it hurts. You know cutting off the leg to save the body. Both suck but what's best. |
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Post by vinnie on Dec 20, 2023 13:16:58 GMT -5
Thankfully we beat NE and Washington, I’m sure those moral victories will be more worth next season than letting Schoen have his pick of a top QB or having a much better chance at trading back for more picks. Maybe it saved us from drafting Drake Maye and him turning into another Daniel Jones... These things are tricky. Lamar Jackson was pick 32. If we lose those games and are sitting at 1-2 wins on the year for pick #1, it is highly unlikely Brian Daboll is here in 2024 and we lose everything all over again and start from scratch. Daboll knows this. Everything was falling apart for him when we were 2-8. The chopping block was right there. That 3 game win streak probably saved his job. Yeah, it kinda scared me how many of Maye’s games Schoen was attending. As someone else pointed put, maybe that means they were doing their DD and nothing more but I sort of looked at it that he may (no pun intended) have really liked him. Who knows, Maye could turn out to be a stud, I just wasn’t impressed with the games I saw him in and I realize that means nothing. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 20, 2023 13:17:43 GMT -5
I simply cannot root for the Giants to lose to Philthy under any circumstances. I know, We've been through this a few times. I understand. It's your heart bleeding Giant Blue. It just won't listen to your Brain knowing what's best. Root your heart out big guy I too would love to see the Philly season collapse at our feet. I would be smiling and cheering as well as our future QB would be almost impossible to obtain next year. It doesn't matter what fans do. But what's best for us is what I'm rooting for as much as it hurts. You know cutting off the leg to save the body. Both suck but what's best. I also despise the Iggles. Its like rooting for Al Qaeda, just can't do it, unless they're playing Isis (Dallas)... |
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Post by vinnie on Dec 20, 2023 13:18:32 GMT -5
We have a good chance this week of jumping ahead of the Bears. Chicago plays Ariz. we need to root for the Bears. Also root for Wash. to beat the Jets and we lose to Philly we slide into the 4th slot with 2 games left. I simply cannot root for the Giants to lose to Philthy under any circumstances. Fletch, if that was the cowboys (unless they were resting their starters) I’d be right there with you, draft pick be damned. |
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Post by Analyst on Dec 20, 2023 13:28:04 GMT -5
Maybe it saved us from drafting Drake Maye and him turning into another Daniel Jones... These things are tricky. Lamar Jackson was pick 32. If we lose those games and are sitting at 1-2 wins on the year for pick #1, it is highly unlikely Brian Daboll is here in 2024 and we lose everything all over again and start from scratch. Daboll knows this. Everything was falling apart for him when we were 2-8. The chopping block was right there. That 3 game win streak probably saved his job. Yeah, it kinda scared me how many of Maye’s games Schoen was attending. As someone else pointed put, maybe that means they were doing their DD and nothing more but I sort of looked at it that he may (no pun intended) have really liked him. Who knows, Maye could turn out to be a stud, I just wasn’t impressed with the games I saw him in and I realize that means nothing. I like to think I know a little about the QBs as I watch them a lot. I still feel like I get a good grasp on their strengths and weaknesses, but understanding how good they actually will be in the NFL is really really hard to do. Coaching, talent around them, smarts, mean so much to a QB and is tough to distinguish in college. How much is the QB and how much is the team? I was sure CJ Stroud would be another Ohio St QB with the amazing WRs he had. He looks damn good in the NFL. Maye could turn out to be good I guess, but Im just worried he would be another DJ. Never know though. Maybe he is the next Josh Allen. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 20, 2023 13:56:38 GMT -5
I simply cannot root for the Giants to lose to Philthy under any circumstances. Fletch, if that was the cowboys (unless they were resting their starters) I’d be right there with you, draft pick be damned. see, you get it. I'm an equal opportunity hater when it comes to those two...  |
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