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Post by Modog on Jan 23, 2024 1:28:32 GMT -5
Admittedly I have been very depressed as a Giants fan In recent years.
To put me out of misery, just enough until I am reminded of #8 again, I like to rewatch better days. The SB runs are an easy pick. But one of my favorite games to look back on was the duel at the dome in 2015, even though it was a losing effort.
Say what you want about Eli, but he could get hot any day and throw for 400yds or 4Tds. Sure he was INT machine at times, but he gave us a chance every game!
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Post by inconvenientruth on Jan 23, 2024 2:53:35 GMT -5
Admittedly I have been very depressed as a Giants fan In recent years. To put me out of misery, just enough until I am reminded of #8 again, I like to rewatch better days. The SB runs are an easy pick. But one of my favorite games to look back on was the duel at the dome in 2015, even though it was a losing effort. Say what you want about Eli, but he could get hot any day and throw for 400yds or 4Tds. Sure he was INT machine at times, but he gave us a chance every game! I was a critic of late career Eli, but even then. What a freaking QB. Excellent pocket awareness, threw with anticipation. Was at his best when we needed him most. He only had issues with keeping the football down, as he tended to sail the ball at times which lead to picks, but that's such a small compliant Despite physically looking like Jones. As QBs, they literally couldn't be more different. Eli is an absolute legend. I'll never forget that 2011 run. First and last time I've seen a Giants QB looking like a top 3 NFL QB. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Jan 23, 2024 2:59:56 GMT -5
Admittedly I have been very depressed as a Giants fan In recent years. To put me out of misery, just enough until I am reminded of #8 again, I like to rewatch better days. The SB runs are an easy pick. But one of my favorite games to look back on was the duel at the dome in 2015, even though it was a losing effort. Say what you want about Eli, but he could get hot any day and throw for 400yds or 4Tds. Sure he was INT machine at times, but he gave us a chance every game! I was a critic of late career Eli, but even then. What a freaking QB. Excellent pocket awareness, threw with anticipation. Was at his best when we needed him most. He only had issues with keeping the football down, as he tended to sail the ball at times which lead to picks, but that's such a small compliant Despite physically looking like Jones. As QBs, they literally couldn't be more different. Eli is an absolute legend. I'll never forget that 2011 run. First and last time I've seen a Giants QB looking like a top 3 NFL QB. Real QB play. Bad OL? Well, be better. |
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Post by hadenough on Jan 23, 2024 6:33:38 GMT -5
Eli had some good moments…but he also had very bad moments.
4 minute mark was classic Eli.
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Post by inthezone on Jan 23, 2024 8:10:22 GMT -5
I have also been watching the 4 SB runs I have on dvds these past few weeks just like I have every time around this time of the year.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 23, 2024 8:18:31 GMT -5
2015 Eli was awesome, that offense was awesome and the oline wasn't good. Great design with the fusion of Mac and Coughlin philosophies.
They were 6-10 because they lost 7 games in the last 60 seconds of the game
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 23, 2024 12:08:51 GMT -5
Eli was Jekyll and Hyde during his career.. One game he’s slinging the rock and bodying the opponents.. The next he’s throwing left handed passes to Chris Snee. Before he became the grim reaper of the playoffs.. We had to check his DNA to see if he wasn’t adopted. It took four seasons.. But that trip to Tampa where Monte Kiffin eats quarterbacks for breakfast. Is where he became an assassin. The once David of the league has now become Goliath.. And no stone was going to take him down.
We were spoiled knowing every Sunday he was ready for war. Tough as nails.. injuries didn’t faze him. Leader of men.. Always led by example.. A pros.. pro. Never threw another player under the bus, even if it was deserving. Shouldered the blame as he took the onslaught from the media with a smile. The face of the franchise for well over a decade.. and not one black eye or scar during it. Once a Giant.. only a Giant.. always a Giant.
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 23, 2024 12:41:19 GMT -5
2015 Eli was awesome, that offense was awesome and the oline wasn't good. Great design with the fusion of Mac and Coughlin philosophies. They were 6-10 because they lost 7 games in the last 60 seconds of the game Yeah, if they had even an average defense they would've been a playoff team. People look at the result (6-10) but that was probably Eli's first or second best year. I also feel that was actually their best scheme under Coughlin. It had so much balance without the guesswork of Gilbride's scheme. More efficient, without being conservative or one dimensional. McAdoo stripped it down to dink and dunk in 2016...Eli never stopped being a gunslinger, that was his coaches who (I feel) didn't want a classic pocket QB and actually coached more conservatively than Coughlin. Can anyone name the 3rd WR in 2015? It was Beckham, Randle, Donnell and Will Tye (at TE). Preston Parker was cut after some crucial drops, so I can't remember who WR3/slot was. Maybe Ogletree? Point being, they had a bad OL yet still were a top 5 offense. Unstoppable. Didn't they score like 28 points in the 4th quarter alone in the Panthers game (Norman vs Beckham)? Once Beckham stopped fighting and started playing, they put up a lot of points in a very short amount of time. |
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Post by jaymas on Jan 23, 2024 13:03:28 GMT -5
2015 Eli was awesome, that offense was awesome and the oline wasn't good. Great design with the fusion of Mac and Coughlin philosophies. They were 6-10 because they lost 7 games in the last 60 seconds of the game Yeah, if they had even an average defense they would've been a playoff team. People look at the result (6-10) but that was probably Eli's first or second best year. I also feel that was actually their best scheme under Coughlin. It had so much balance without the guesswork of Gilbride's scheme. More efficient, without being conservative or one dimensional. McAdoo stripped it down to dink and dunk in 2016...Eli never stopped being a gunslinger, that was his coaches who (I feel) didn't want a classic pocket QB and actually coached more conservatively than Coughlin. Can anyone name the 3rd WR in 2015? It was Beckham, Randle, Donnell and Will Tye (at TE). Preston Parker was cut after some crucial drops, so I can't remember who WR3/slot was. Maybe Ogletree? Point being, they had a bad OL yet still were a top 5 offense. Unstoppable. Didn't they score like 28 points in the 4th quarter alone in the Panthers game (Norman vs Beckham)? Once Beckham stopped fighting and started playing, they put up a lot of points in a very short amount of time. Really well said, 100% agree. The fusion offense was perfect for an NFL that was changing more into what it is now. The fact that in 2016 Mac had the hubris to basically turn the system back into a slightly more vanilla version of McCarthy's GB offense should have been our first sign he was not going to be the guy. Such rigid decision-making. And yes, so true regarding the Panthers game. Just a chunk play offense with Eli operating at a high level and Beckham at peak Beckham. 32nd ranked defense, lost 7 games in the last 60 seconds. Never seen such a thin margin between a 6-10 team and one that could have won 10, 11 games. Maybe the D would have ultimately held it back in the playoffs. But the offense was great. |
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Post by Modog on Jan 23, 2024 13:10:58 GMT -5
People forget just how bad our Oline was for well over a decade. Running the ball was always a struggle since aleast 2011. When we had had the worst rushing attack + worse ranked Oline. Yet that didn't stop us from winning the SB when Eli caught fire. For years he carried the offense with his arm
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 23, 2024 14:45:29 GMT -5
Yeah, if they had even an average defense they would've been a playoff team. People look at the result (6-10) but that was probably Eli's first or second best year. I also feel that was actually their best scheme under Coughlin. It had so much balance without the guesswork of Gilbride's scheme. More efficient, without being conservative or one dimensional. McAdoo stripped it down to dink and dunk in 2016...Eli never stopped being a gunslinger, that was his coaches who (I feel) didn't want a classic pocket QB and actually coached more conservatively than Coughlin. Can anyone name the 3rd WR in 2015? It was Beckham, Randle, Donnell and Will Tye (at TE). Preston Parker was cut after some crucial drops, so I can't remember who WR3/slot was. Maybe Ogletree? Point being, they had a bad OL yet still were a top 5 offense. Unstoppable. Didn't they score like 28 points in the 4th quarter alone in the Panthers game (Norman vs Beckham)? Once Beckham stopped fighting and started playing, they put up a lot of points in a very short amount of time. Really well said, 100% agree. The fusion offense was perfect for an NFL that was changing more into what it is now. The fact that in 2016 Mac had the hubris to basically turn the system back into a slightly more vanilla version of McCarthy's GB offense should have been our first sign he was not going to be the guy. Such rigid decision-making. And yes, so true regarding the Panthers game. Just a chunk play offense with Eli operating at a high level and Beckham at peak Beckham. 32nd ranked defense, lost 7 games in the last 60 seconds. Never seen such a thin margin between a 6-10 team and one that could have won 10, 11 games. Maybe the D would have ultimately held it back in the playoffs. But the offense was great. Yes, absolutely. Alarm bells definitely went off for me. I was bothered by it immediately and more so when it went on well into the season. Less looks, 11 personnel 90% of the time, neglecting deeper passing concepts, not scheming guys open with route combos. Of course, when you make the playoffs, you want to be optimistic moving forward. But what he did to that system was insanity. The 2014-2015 offense reminded of what they ran with Sean Payton in New Orleans for many years. Just balanced, creative, a scheme aimed to win games and not validate the HCs insecurities or whatever he's trying to prove to himself by trying to force square pegs in round holes. Imagine pairing the 2015 offense with the 2016 defense?? That's probably one of the best teams in giants history, up there with 86, 90, 2008. |
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Post by sickntired on Jan 24, 2024 8:43:12 GMT -5
Admittedly I have been very depressed as a Giants fan In recent years. To put me out of misery, just enough until I am reminded of #8 again, I like to rewatch better days. The SB runs are an easy pick. But one of my favorite games to look back on was the duel at the dome in 2015, even though it was a losing effort. Say what you want about Eli, but he could get hot any day and throw for 400yds or 4Tds. Sure he was INT machine at times, but he gave us a chance every game! Why watch Eli when you can watch Simms instead? |
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Post by imgrate on Jan 24, 2024 9:08:56 GMT -5
Eli was Jekyll and Hyde during his career.. One game he’s slinging the rock and bodying the opponents.. The next he’s throwing left handed passes to Chris Snee. Before he became the grim reaper of the playoffs.. We had to check his DNA to see if he wasn’t adopted. It took four seasons.. But that trip to Tampa where Monte Kiffin eats quarterbacks for breakfast. Is where he became an assassin. The once David of the league has now become Goliath.. And no stone was going to take him down. We were spoiled knowing every Sunday he was ready for war. Tough as nails.. injuries didn’t faze him. Leader of men.. Always led by example.. A pros.. pro. Never threw another player under the bus, even if it was deserving. Shouldered the blame as he took the onslaught from the media with a smile. The face of the franchise for well over a decade.. and not one black eye or scar during it. Once a Giant.. only a Giant.. always a Giant. Was at that game, was awesome, beat the Jeff Garthia led bucs |
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 24, 2024 13:49:44 GMT -5
Eli deserves credit for the good thing he did and his 2011 performance..but should be critqued for the 13 out of 15 years he was in the league that he failed to win a single playoff game.
Here is 5 minutes of him throwing touchdowns to the wrong team in his prime years.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 24, 2024 15:44:05 GMT -5
LOL all the pissing and moaning about Eli I did predict he would be missed but didn't expect this go dig up the posts the last 3 years of his career insults left and right the mob is fickle.
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Post by mendy on Jan 24, 2024 15:52:50 GMT -5
LOL all the pissing and moaning about Eli I did predict he would be missed but didn't expect this go dig up the posts the last 3 years of his career insults left and right the mob is fickle. Just goes to show that what they did to wreck the end of Eli's career is the same thing they are doing to Jones. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 24, 2024 15:54:03 GMT -5
2015 Eli was awesome, that offense was awesome and the oline wasn't good. Great design with the fusion of Mac and Coughlin philosophies. They were 6-10 because they lost 7 games in the last 60 seconds of the game Yeah, if they had even an average defense they would've been a playoff team. People look at the result (6-10) but that was probably Eli's first or second best year. I also feel that was actually their best scheme under Coughlin. It had so much balance without the guesswork of Gilbride's scheme. More efficient, without being conservative or one dimensional. McAdoo stripped it down to dink and dunk in 2016...Eli never stopped being a gunslinger, that was his coaches who (I feel) didn't want a classic pocket QB and actually coached more conservatively than Coughlin. Can anyone name the 3rd WR in 2015? It was Beckham, Randle, Donnell and Will Tye (at TE). Preston Parker was cut after some crucial drops, so I can't remember who WR3/slot was. Maybe Ogletree? Point being, they had a bad OL yet still were a top 5 offense. Unstoppable. Didn't they score like 28 points in the 4th quarter alone in the Panthers game (Norman vs Beckham)? Once Beckham stopped fighting and started playing, they put up a lot of points in a very short amount of time. Excellent post one thing TC always did is make sure even if they had to go with 2 man route combo's protection was mandatory when he was the head man. Mac tried to run 5 and 6 man protections and have more options it didn't work out they had shorten it up and team just came down hill on the wRs hence several injuries. The defense was terrible they had nothing wasn't one of those years the one wear Seattle came in and Lynch ran for like 240 and Giants defenders were doing the old ole. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 24, 2024 15:58:08 GMT -5
LOL all the pissing and moaning about Eli I did predict he would be missed but didn't expect this go dig up the posts the last 3 years of his career insults left and right the mob is fickle. Just goes to show that what they did to wreck the end of Eli's career is the same thing they are doing to Jones. It never changed they have been bad on the OL since 2011 even then they couldn't run the ball in the regular season, the championship OL was on the very last legs and it was proven when the wheel fell completely off midway through 2012. They had a superbowl QB with 0 protection and run game Reeses biggest failure he tried just couldn't hit on those picks. |
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 24, 2024 16:13:49 GMT -5
LOL all the pissing and moaning about Eli I did predict he would be missed but didn't expect this go dig up the posts the last 3 years of his career insults left and right the mob is fickle. Lol I find it funny because I recall the large majority of this board being THRILLED when Eli was benched. Shit, I remember people thought it was time after to do so after 2012..Insane. People were calling for Ryan Nassib in 2013, draft Manziel (LOL). The emotionalism is quite hilarious. There's also this perception on the board that the minority were hailing Jones as "Danny Dimes." I recall it being the majority. My take has remained the same. Fix the OL, get a number 1 WR, and the QB will come along. Still hasn't been done. In fact, they had their worst year yet in a 12 year span of bad OL play. For me, getting another QB this off-season could repeat the same process they went through with Jones. Bad OL and just not enough talent around the QB either in terms of WR or scheme to compensate for such line deficiencies. Not to mention a potentially unstable HC who could be fired if things don't turn around. |
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 24, 2024 16:20:04 GMT -5
Just goes to show that what they did to wreck the end of Eli's career is the same thing they are doing to Jones. It never changed they have been bad on the OL since 2011 even then they couldn't run the ball in the regular season, the championship OL was on the very last legs and it was proven when the wheel fell completely off midway through 2012. They had a superbowl QB with 0 protection and run game Reeses biggest failure he tried just couldn't hit on those picks. They did struggle in 2011 but if you watch some of those old games from that regular season, they are MUCH better than anything they've had since. In 2012 the wheels really began falling off. Coughlin stubbornly forced Diehl into the line up and it cost them games. One game I clearly remember was the Steelers game. They were on a late drive to win and Eli had no time, pressure coming from Diehl (if I remember correctly). Diehl will always be an all time great Giants player, but he was physically or mentally just not what he was in the past. I'd say Diehl is a highly underrated player from his era, league wide. Then 2013, that's when the offensive became inoperable because of the OL. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 24, 2024 21:14:21 GMT -5
It never changed they have been bad on the OL since 2011 even then they couldn't run the ball in the regular season, the championship OL was on the very last legs and it was proven when the wheel fell completely off midway through 2012. They had a superbowl QB with 0 protection and run game Reeses biggest failure he tried just couldn't hit on those picks. They did struggle in 2011 but if you watch some of those old games from that regular season, they are MUCH better than anything they've had since. In 2012 the wheels really began falling off. Coughlin stubbornly forced Diehl into the line up and it cost them games. One game I clearly remember was the Steelers game. They were on a late drive to win and Eli had no time, pressure coming from Diehl (if I remember correctly). Diehl will always be an all time great Giants player, but he was physically or mentally just not what he was in the past. I'd say Diehl is a highly underrated player from his era, league wide. Then 2013, that's when the offensive became inoperable because of the OL. This is exactly right saw it all first hand and live at home games. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 24, 2024 21:26:35 GMT -5
LOL all the pissing and moaning about Eli I did predict he would be missed but didn't expect this go dig up the posts the last 3 years of his career insults left and right the mob is fickle. Lol I find it funny because I recall the large majority of this board being THRILLED when Eli was benched. Shit, I remember people thought it was time after to do so after 2012..Insane. People were calling for Ryan Nassib in 2013, draft Manziel (LOL). The emotionalism is quite hilarious. There's also this perception on the board that the minority were hailing Jones as "Danny Dimes." I recall it being the majority. My take has remained the same. Fix the OL, get a number 1 WR, and the QB will come along. Still hasn't been done. In fact, they had their worst year yet in a 12 year span of bad OL play. For me, getting another QB this off-season could repeat the same process they went through with Jones. Bad OL and just not enough talent around the QB either in terms of WR or scheme to compensate for such line deficiencies. Not to mention a potentially unstable HC who could be fired if things don't turn around. It could be, but Jones needs to use the whole field I know Mike put up some numbers but when it counts he is not hitting those hole shots and that matters, the guys on Big Blue Banter had some film review where Washington didn't defend field side the wide side of the field the same as the other parts because they knew the ball would never go there and it didn't. This is why teams sit on everything 0-10 yards because that is mostly what he does I hope he can get a WR and some protection I would gladly eat crow. I believe he can operate and win some games with protection but if sticks to not using the field my prediction is him Daboll and possibly Schoen will be gone in the next year or 2 . |
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Post by babybulls on Jan 24, 2024 22:11:30 GMT -5
This post is comical coming from the king of the Jones clan, just priceless Eli deserves credit for the good thing he did and his 2011 performance..but should be critqued for the 13 out of 15 years he was in the league that he failed to win a single playoff game. Here is 5 minutes of him throwing touchdowns to the wrong team in his prime years. |
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Post by mendy on Jan 25, 2024 10:28:53 GMT -5
Eli deserves credit for the good thing he did and his 2011 performance..but should be critqued for the 13 out of 15 years he was in the league that he failed to win a single playoff game. Here is 5 minutes of him throwing touchdowns to the wrong team in his prime years. And here are over an Hour of him throwing TD's to his own team. |
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