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Post by Dezzr on Jan 29, 2024 12:05:43 GMT -5
Has Steve Spagnuolo accomplished enough to be considered one of the great DC's in NFL history?
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 29, 2024 12:21:06 GMT -5
Has Steve Spagnuolo accomplished enough to be considered one of the great DC's in NFL history? I think it's fair to say he was one of the greats. Not sure ranking wise where that puts him but he would be in a conversation for sure. I don't think the longevity of what he's accomplished is really enough though. A couple years here and now in KC. He deserves credit for turning that D around though. 24th the year before him and top 10 in 4 of 5 years since then. We were 25th before he came here and were 7th and 5th his two seasons here. His second stint here was pretty bad but that 11-5 season was due to his #2 ranked D.
Not sure his all time ranking though.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 29, 2024 12:26:05 GMT -5
Especially in the modern era.
How could he not?
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 29, 2024 12:41:47 GMT -5
He’s going to need a sledgehammer to crack the top three..With names like Tom Landry.. The man who gave birth to the 4-3 defense. From one legend to another, Bill Belichick. His game plan rests in canton as he turned the k-gun offense into a peashooter.. Then you have the architect of the 46 defense.. Buddy Ryan. His kill them all and let the football gods sort them out defense gave opposing offenses nightmares.
Steve Spagnuolo who doesn’t have to pay for a drink in the tri-state area.. Took the late great Jim Johnson’s defense, and sprinkled a bit of his own seasoning on top of it. Unlike Martindale who throws the kitchen sink and a dishwasher at you. Spagnuolo disguises his pressure.. and puts a lot of emphasis on confusion. He’s got some killers on that Chiefs defense, and he puts them in position to seek and destroy. Regardless of where he stands with those giants.. He has reached the mountain top enough that he’s now looking down on everyone.
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Post by bavarobeast on Jan 29, 2024 12:47:37 GMT -5
I don’t need 2 paragraphs to answer a simple question with an obvious answer.
Yes.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 29, 2024 12:49:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure but I've always been a fan of his big time. He's been to 4 SB's already winning 3 of them. This will be his 5th. But the last 5 years it's hard to find a better DC in the NFL.
Patricia has around the same record and I don't think he's really good. Now you can't argue with his success with N.E. but he always had Belichek. Spags success is also because of K.C.'s success as well. But Patricia always had BB over his shoulder who would make a call or 2 during a game. How many times did we see BB call the defense over on the sideline.
Dan Quinn overrated to me just like Patricia is to me.
But I'd put Spags definitely in the top 5 DC's maybe top 3.
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Post by Zimonami on Jan 29, 2024 13:11:53 GMT -5
He’s going to need a sledgehammer to crack the top three..With names like Tom Landry.. The man who gave birth to the 4-3 defense. From one legend to another, Bill Belichick. His game plan rests in canton as he turned the k-gun offense into a peashooter.. Then you have the architect of the 46 defense.. Buddy Ryan. His kill them all and let the football gods sort them out defense gave opposing offenses nightmares. Steve Spagnuolo who doesn’t have to pay for a drink in the tri-state area.. Took the late great Jim Johnson’s defense, and sprinkled a bit of his own seasoning on top of it. Unlike Martindale who throws the kitchen sink and a dishwasher at you. Spagnuolo disguises his pressure.. and puts a lot of emphasis on confusion. He’s got some killers on that Chiefs defense, and he puts them in position to seek and destroy. Regardless of where he stands with those giants.. He has reached the mountain top enough that he’s now looking down on everyone. The defense by Belichick in SB XXV was genius. I was at that game. There were a couple plays where we had a single man on the LOS. Holding Elway's Bronco's to 20 in SB XXI also wasn't too shabby. Spags D in the 18-0 SB was also excellent, holding Pats/Brady to 14. I'd put them both, along with Buddy Ryans 46 D with the Bears in '85, into the top 5
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Post by myronguyton29 on Jan 29, 2024 13:18:28 GMT -5
I don’t need 2 paragraphs to answer a simple question with an obvious answer. Yes. lol
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Post by myronguyton29 on Jan 29, 2024 13:19:14 GMT -5
one of the great's I'd say so; not sure at what number but one of the, yes.....
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Post by SG88 on Jan 29, 2024 13:27:01 GMT -5
Absolutely. You can stack his resume with anyone in the history of the league.
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Post by te88 on Jan 29, 2024 13:40:00 GMT -5
He’s had success in two vastly different decades of football with different franchises and under different HCs. Pretty unheard of.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 29, 2024 14:07:33 GMT -5
Has Steve Spagnuolo accomplished enough to be considered one of the great DC's in NFL history? Without question, yes.
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 29, 2024 14:08:58 GMT -5
Has Steve Spagnuolo accomplished enough to be considered one of the great DC's in NFL history? I think so. If I had any lingering doubts, yesterday ended that permanently for rest of his career. I thought the Ravens would win yesterday as they have run rough shot on everyone all year. I underestimated what Spags influence would be yesterday and am ashamed to admit that as a Giants fan. He's an all time great as far as I'm concerned. Nothing will ever change my mind about that again.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 29, 2024 14:14:39 GMT -5
One more W to go, then yeah, I think he's earned it.
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 29, 2024 14:17:40 GMT -5
One more W to go, then yeah, I think he's earned it. I'll be rooting for him and KC for sure. No way do I want SF to get a 6th Lombardi trophy.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 29, 2024 14:39:50 GMT -5
As we search for our next DC, Spags makes a strong case to consider "retreads."
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 29, 2024 18:10:54 GMT -5
He’s going to need a sledgehammer to crack the top three..With names like Tom Landry.. The man who gave birth to the 4-3 defense. From one legend to another, Bill Belichick. His game plan rests in canton as he turned the k-gun offense into a peashooter.. Then you have the architect of the 46 defense.. Buddy Ryan. His kill them all and let the football gods sort them out defense gave opposing offenses nightmares. Steve Spagnuolo who doesn’t have to pay for a drink in the tri-state area.. Took the late great Jim Johnson’s defense, and sprinkled a bit of his own seasoning on top of it. Unlike Martindale who throws the kitchen sink and a dishwasher at you. Spagnuolo disguises his pressure.. and puts a lot of emphasis on confusion. He’s got some killers on that Chiefs defense, and he puts them in position to seek and destroy. Regardless of where he stands with those giants.. He has reached the mountain top enough that he’s now looking down on everyone. The defense by Belichick in SB XXV was genius. I was at that game. There were a couple plays where we had a single man on the LOS. Holding Elway's Bronco's to 20 in SB XXI also wasn't too shabby. Spags D in the 18-0 SB was also excellent, holding Pats/Brady to 14. I'd put them both, along with Buddy Ryans 46 D with the Bears in '85, into the top 5 Talk about thinking outside the box.. The Bills just put 51 on the Raiders the week before. And blew their doors completely off. Belichick knew to hang with that offense we had to ground their aerial attack. He scrapped our vaunted defense and went with a three and even a two man front. And dropped everyone into coverage. Giving the Bills no where to run.. Every pass was met with violence as Reed and the rest of the crew got pummeled every time they touched the ball. Only problem was.. how do you sell this to a group that takes pride in not giving up inches.. let alone yards. Belichick: “Ok, to combat this offense. We will have to let Thurman Thomas rush for over a hundred yards.” Banks: “Yeah right.. Over my dead body.” Taylor: “Zzzzzzzz.” Marshall: “You got to be kidding me.” Pepper: “We don’t do that around here, coach.” Once Bill sold the players on the game plan. They bought in and trusted their coach that he would seal the deal. And it worked.. Keep the Bills offense off the field with a time consuming drives. And level any wide receiver who comes into the kill zone. Parcells built the foundation of the defense.. Belichick made it a masterpiece.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 29, 2024 19:09:30 GMT -5
The defense by Belichick in SB XXV was genius. I was at that game. There were a couple plays where we had a single man on the LOS. Holding Elway's Bronco's to 20 in SB XXI also wasn't too shabby. Spags D in the 18-0 SB was also excellent, holding Pats/Brady to 14. I'd put them both, along with Buddy Ryans 46 D with the Bears in '85, into the top 5 Talk about thinking outside the box.. The Bills just put 51 on the Raiders the week before. And blew their doors completely off. Belichick knew to hang with that offense we had to ground their aerial attack. He scrapped our vaunted defense and went with a three and even a two man front. And dropped everyone into coverage. Giving the Bills no where to run.. Every pass was met with violence as Reed and the rest of the crew got pummeled every time they touched the ball. Only problem was.. how do you sell this to a group that takes pride in not giving up inches.. let alone yards. Belichick: “Ok, to combat this offense. We will have to let Thurman Thomas rush for over a hundred yards.” Banks: “Yeah right.. Over my dead body.” Taylor: “Zzzzzzzz.” Marshall: “You got to be kidding me.” Pepper: “We don’t do that around here, coach.” Once Bill sold the players on the game plan. They bought in and trusted their coach that he would seal the deal. And it worked.. Keep the Bills offense off the field with a time consuming drives. And level any wide receiver who comes into the kill zone. Parcells built the foundation of the defense.. Belichick made it a masterpiece. Ron Earhart was still our OC at that point, right? One seriously underappreciated coach!!!
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 29, 2024 19:18:17 GMT -5
Talk about thinking outside the box.. The Bills just put 51 on the Raiders the week before. And blew their doors completely off. Belichick knew to hang with that offense we had to ground their aerial attack. He scrapped our vaunted defense and went with a three and even a two man front. And dropped everyone into coverage. Giving the Bills no where to run.. Every pass was met with violence as Reed and the rest of the crew got pummeled every time they touched the ball. Only problem was.. how do you sell this to a group that takes pride in not giving up inches.. let alone yards. Belichick: “Ok, to combat this offense. We will have to let Thurman Thomas rush for over a hundred yards.” Banks: “Yeah right.. Over my dead body.” Taylor: “Zzzzzzzz.” Marshall: “You got to be kidding me.” Pepper: “We don’t do that around here, coach.” Once Bill sold the players on the game plan. They bought in and trusted their coach that he would seal the deal. And it worked.. Keep the Bills offense off the field with a time consuming drives. And level any wide receiver who comes into the kill zone. Parcells built the foundation of the defense.. Belichick made it a masterpiece. Ron Earhart was still our OC at that point, right? One seriously underappreciated coach!!! Damn good coach.. He was part of the dream team coaching staff of ‘90. The late Ray Perkins last hire before he bolted for Alabama. He was the peanut butter to Parcells Jelly as they both believed in ground and pound offenses.
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Post by 3days on Jan 29, 2024 20:02:19 GMT -5
Yes and I wonder if someday he will be considered a great coach.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 30, 2024 1:05:41 GMT -5
The answer is yes.
It's been argued that he only succeeded when he had a lot of talent, but he has proven over and over that he's one of the best in the game at getting the best out of what he has.
Love spags. He never worked out as a HC, but he's the most successful DC in recent history.
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 1, 2024 16:03:55 GMT -5
Has Steve Spagnuolo accomplished enough to be considered one of the great DC's in NFL history? Without question.
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Post by idkaname on Feb 1, 2024 16:07:40 GMT -5
The answer is yes. It's been argued that he only succeeded when he had a lot of talent, but he has proven over and over that he's one of the best in the game at getting the best out of what he has. Love spags. He never worked out as a HC, but he's the most successful DC in recent history. Dude is a HELL of a coach / defensive mind. If the Chiefs beat the 49ers, Reid may retire...I wouldn't be shocked if Spags takes over
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Post by idkaname on Feb 1, 2024 16:14:03 GMT -5
Has Steve Spagnuolo accomplished enough to be considered one of the great DC's in NFL history? Without question. He's gotta be up there for most clutch defensive coordinator in NFL history. He has a 28-12 record in the playoffs as a defensive coach 70% win rate in the playoffs is absurd when you consider 40 games played. I understand the QB he has now has account for 13-2 but he's done nothing but shut down the best of the best offenses when it matters..we whiffed getting rid of him
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Post by nick030567 on Feb 1, 2024 17:00:53 GMT -5
Lol I remember when most didn't want him back in 2015, said he was a lucky byproduct of a talented DL, totally downplaying how he got the best out of those guys.
Not only has he had success since then, that Super Bowl 42 game plan is arguably better than Belichick's against Buffalo. That was the best offense of all time they limited to 14 points. Totally had Brady flustered the entire game.
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Post by idkaname on Feb 2, 2024 8:15:01 GMT -5
Lol I remember when most didn't want him back in 2015, said he was a lucky byproduct of a talented DL, totally downplaying how he got the best out of those guys. Not only has he had success since then, that Super Bowl 42 game plan is arguably better than Belichick's against Buffalo. That was the best offense of all time they limited to 14 points. Totally had Brady flustered the entire game. I have no shame in admitting I wanted to see a new look on defense and as we have seen...the other side of the grass isn't always greener. Sometimes you have to make change to create a spark...would we be much different now if he was still our DC with the other HC changes? probably not but yeah obviously I'd take him back...
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Feb 2, 2024 10:09:23 GMT -5
Why is this thread in the Giants Talk section?
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Post by Roswell on Feb 2, 2024 10:23:12 GMT -5
Some guys on the old boards weren’t thrilled with him but I’m sure they’ve come around by now.
Beating an undefeated NE was a master class in DCing.
Humble, likable and great.
And with a win next Sunday, he becomes the first Defensive Coordinator with 4 rings. And no OC has four either.
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Post by jmike on Feb 2, 2024 10:33:49 GMT -5
Why is this thread in the Giants Talk section? Once a Giant always a Giant.
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Post by idkaname on Feb 2, 2024 10:40:39 GMT -5
Why is this thread in the Giants Talk section? once a Giant, always a Giant...especially when you played a major role in the acquisition of a lombardi
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