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Post by piddy283 on Feb 6, 2024 12:37:49 GMT -5
Curious to see where folks stand with this one. For the sake of conversation, let's say we decide to go WR at #6 and the best players available are Nabers and Odunze. Who would you prefer we take?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 6, 2024 13:14:48 GMT -5
To me there is no wrong pick Odunze is a little bigger at 6'3" 215lbs to Nabors at 6"even 200lbs. Odunze a fraction faster 4.37 to 4.4 does that even make a difference ?
They are so even in numbers. Which one would fit better in our offense. They both have real good hands. Would Odunze be a better target in the red zone or from inside the 10 yd line being he is taller 6'3" to 6' foot ?
I'm not seeing any difference. Does Nabors get a nod because he played in the SEC ? Rather than Odunze playing in the PAC 10 ?
I didn't vote one over the other.
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Post by te88 on Feb 6, 2024 14:06:31 GMT -5
To me there is no wrong pick Odunze is a little bigger at 6'3" 215lbs to Nabors at 6"even 200lbs. Odunze a fraction faster 4.37 to 4.4 does that even make a difference ? They are so even in numbers. Which one would fit better in our offense. They both have real good hands. Would Odunze be a better target in the red zone or from inside the 10 yd line being he is taller 6'3" to 6' foot ? I'm not seeing any difference. Does Nabors get a nod because he played in the SEC ? Rather than Odunze playing in the PAC 10 ? I didn't vote one over the other. Giants will typically draft SEC guys in the first round.
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Post by TEM on Feb 6, 2024 14:10:25 GMT -5
I have Nabers Ranked as the 9th best player in the Draft and Coleman ranked 26th. Coleman could fall out of the First .
With pick 39 WRs I Like Emeka Egbuka....OSU Troy Franklin........Oregon Brian Thomas Jr........LSU
In that order.
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 6, 2024 14:32:17 GMT -5
I have Nabers Ranked as the 9th best player in the Draft and Coleman ranked 26th. Coleman could fall out of the First . With pick 39 WRs I Like Emeka Egbuka....OSU Troy Franklin........Oregon Brian Thomas Jr........LSU In that order. just curious but where do you have Roman Wiilson on your list?
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Post by wtfjjk on Feb 6, 2024 14:33:23 GMT -5
Wow, slightly past the midpoint of the season I remember thinking Nabers was the second best receiver but now looking at Odunze, he's looking just as good or even better. Both have great body control with Nabers particularly good on sideline awareness and control. Odunze looks a lot more explosive than I remember him and those measureables, man I didn't know he was faster than Nabers. At this point I'd be happy with either. I had Nabers regardless of height but now that they're looking neck and neck, I might favor the taller guy.
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Post by fifthavephil on Feb 6, 2024 14:51:03 GMT -5
Who is the better run blocker ?
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Post by TEM on Feb 6, 2024 14:56:29 GMT -5
I have Nabers Ranked as the 9th best player in the Draft and Coleman ranked 26th. Coleman could fall out of the First . With pick 39 WRs I Like Emeka Egbuka....OSU Troy Franklin........Oregon Brian Thomas Jr........LSU In that order. just curious but where do you have Roman Wiilson on your list? 107 But it is ranking and not necessarily Draft Number. I need FA to be somewhat over for draft placement.
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Post by ratbastich on Feb 6, 2024 15:08:13 GMT -5
I went Nabers because LSU has a history of putting productive, if not excellent, receivers in the NFL.
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Post by jaymas on Feb 6, 2024 15:13:04 GMT -5
To me there is no wrong pick Odunze is a little bigger at 6'3" 215lbs to Nabors at 6"even 200lbs. Odunze a fraction faster 4.37 to 4.4 does that even make a difference ? They are so even in numbers. Which one would fit better in our offense. They both have real good hands. Would Odunze be a better target in the red zone or from inside the 10 yd line being he is taller 6'3" to 6' foot ? I'm not seeing any difference. Does Nabors get a nod because he played in the SEC ? Rather than Odunze playing in the PAC 10 ? I didn't vote one over the other. Giants will typically draft SEC guys in the first round. The Giants and the rest of the NFL...
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 6, 2024 15:18:52 GMT -5
I have Nabers Ranked as the 9th best player in the Draft and Coleman ranked 26th. Coleman could fall out of the First . With pick 39 WRs I Like Emeka Egbuka....OSU Troy Franklin........Oregon Brian Thomas Jr........LSU In that order.
How about Odunze?
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 6, 2024 15:26:37 GMT -5
I picked Odunze, mainly because I saw a bunch more of him this season, and he looks really good to my eye.
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Post by lt56 on Feb 6, 2024 16:13:27 GMT -5
Win/Win I like both a lot this is a excellent Receiver Class for sure BUT we don't "NEED" to take a Receiver at #6 but if Nabers or Odunze just so happen to be the the Top Player on your Board at #6 then you take one of them with no hesitation
Skipping over potential great players for Needs is how teams remain Mediocre, you never pass over potential greatness for "Need" regardless if you THINK you already have enough talent at that position that includes possibly taking Bowers as well despite having Waller
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 6, 2024 16:13:33 GMT -5
Initially I liked Odunze. He's a prototypical "X" having the size and speed to man the outside. He excels at going deep and has a way of making difficult catches look easy. However, the more I watch him the more I question his route running. He rarely seems to run anything besides some sort of fade or deep post.
Nabers, on the other hand, has impressed me the more I've watched him. He doesn't have Odunze's size, but he seems to be a more complete WR. He can line up all over the field, he can attack all three levels, and he can take any throw to the house. His elusiveness and acceleration make him a home run hit similar to Odell, in my opinion
At this point, we already have a couple of burners who can stretch the field in Slayton and Hyatt. Beyond Robinson, we don't have a WR who can run the entire route tree, and we don't have a WR who's a threat to take it to the house any time he has the ball in his hands. Until I see more from Odunze in terms of route running and versatility, I'm leaning towards Nabers as being the better fit for what we need.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 6, 2024 16:14:21 GMT -5
Win/Win I like both a lot this is a excellent Receiver Class for sure BUT we don't "NEED" to take a Receiver at #6 but if Nabers or Odunze just so happen to be the the Top Player on your Board at #6 then you take one of them with no hesitation Skipping over potential great players for Needs is how teams remain Mediocre, you never pass over potential greatness for "Need" regardless if you THINK you already have enough talent at that position that includes possibly taking Bowers as well despite having Waller
Agreed, just seeing who folks prefer between these two.
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Post by TEM on Feb 6, 2024 16:25:06 GMT -5
I have Nabers Ranked as the 9th best player in the Draft and Coleman ranked 26th. Coleman could fall out of the First . With pick 39 WRs I Like Emeka Egbuka....OSU Troy Franklin........Oregon Brian Thomas Jr........LSU In that order.
How about Odunze?
I have him as ranked the 10th best player.
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Post by wtfjjk on Feb 6, 2024 16:43:52 GMT -5
Initially I liked Odunze. He's a prototypical "X" having the size and speed to man the outside. He excels at going deep and has a way of making difficult catches look easy. However, the more I watch him the more I question his route running. He rarely seems to run anything besides some sort of fade or deep post. Nabers, on the other hand, has impressed me the more I've watched him. He doesn't have Odunze's size, but he seems to be a more complete WR. He can line up all over the field, he can attack all three levels, and he can take any throw to the house. His elusiveness and acceleration make him a home run hit similar to Odell, in my opinion At this point, we already have a couple of burners who can stretch the field in Slayton and Hyatt. Beyond Robinson, we don't have a WR who can run the entire route tree, and we don't have a WR who's a threat to take it to the house any time he has the ball in his hands. Until I see more from Odunze in terms of route running and versatility, I'm leaning towards Nabers as being the better fit for what we need. I wish we could see the route running abilities in the clips but it's hard to tell b/c we only see them making the catches and little in the route running. I haven't seen any all 22's if there even are any.
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Post by Analyst on Feb 6, 2024 17:09:14 GMT -5
Nabers will have an OBJ like impact I believe.
Odunze is less of a real deal but he could turn out to be a great WR too. Maybe more like a Hakeem Nicks.
Like them both.
If given the opportunity I would love to get Marvin though. He will be the next elite WR in the game. Our AJ Brown or Ceedee Lamb.
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Post by Aris on Feb 6, 2024 17:32:40 GMT -5
Nabers will have an OBJ like impact I believe. Odunze is less of a real deal but he could turn out to be a great WR too. Maybe more like a Hakeem Nicks. Like them both. If given the opportunity I would love to get Marvin though. He will be the next elite WR in the game. Our AJ Brown or Ceedee Lamb. With our QB situation and our OL? Gotta respectfully disagree. If we had those 2 parts done, WR at 6 would make more sense for me. On edit...Nabers over Odunze if we had a choice, and had the OL, and a QB
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Post by Analyst on Feb 6, 2024 17:41:02 GMT -5
Nabers will have an OBJ like impact I believe. Odunze is less of a real deal but he could turn out to be a great WR too. Maybe more like a Hakeem Nicks. Like them both. If given the opportunity I would love to get Marvin though. He will be the next elite WR in the game. Our AJ Brown or Ceedee Lamb. With our QB situation and our OL? Gotta respectfully disagree. If we had those 2 parts done, WR at 6 would make more sense for me. On edit...Nabers over Odunze if we had a choice, and had the OL, and a QB Definitely not with our current QB situation or OL. I meant in a vacuum. The talent of MHJ is up there with the #1s in this league.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 6, 2024 19:09:44 GMT -5
I will go ahead and say it. Giving receivers of this caliber to our current QB room is basically throwing them in the dumpster. It's like putting rims on a Ford Pinto.
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Post by Nite on Feb 6, 2024 19:19:39 GMT -5
I will go ahead and say it. Giving receivers of this caliber to our current QB room is basically throwing them in the dumpster. It's like putting rims on a Ford Pinto. Or a turbo on a Chevy Vega.... I wonder when will we get trade our own vega for a porche? (I'll take an Olds 442 not greedy)
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Post by Nite on Feb 6, 2024 19:20:37 GMT -5
How bout' QB? crazy idea I know......
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Post by Analyst on Feb 6, 2024 19:22:05 GMT -5
I will go ahead and say it. Giving receivers of this caliber to our current QB room is basically throwing them in the dumpster. It's like putting rims on a Ford Pinto. If they dont like the QBs in this draft, they cant force it though. And if they dont, they should go BPA which very well could be a WR. It will suck, but there is a very good chance we roll out DJ/DeVito/(Journeyman Vet/ Late round project) again in 2024 due to the cap hit DJ is swallowing. If thats the case, keep building around the limited QBs we have now and strike in 2025. We arent going to be that good in 2024 anyway. We should already know this. They can not force a QB they are iffy about this year just because they know they screwed up with DJs contract.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 6, 2024 19:38:11 GMT -5
I will go ahead and say it. Giving receivers of this caliber to our current QB room is basically throwing them in the dumpster. It's like putting rims on a Ford Pinto. If they dont like the QBs in this draft, they cant force it though. And if they dont, they should go BPA which very well could be a WR. It will suck, but there is a very good chance we roll out DJ/DeVito/(Journeyman Vet/ Late round project) again in 2024 due to the cap hit DJ is swallowing. If thats the case, keep building around the limited QBs we have now and strike in 2025. We arent going to be that good in 2024 anyway. We should already know this. They can not force a QB they are iffy about this year just because they know they screwed up with DJs contract. Part of my thinking on this matter has to do with them drafting receivers early in the draft for the past 3 consecutive seasons already. I just feel like Robinson and Hyatt are both keepers that would crush it with a QB that actually knows what they're doing. I get your concerns about possibly reaching. I'm just willing to do whatever it takes to get that QB situation straightened out by all means necessary. I want the team to grow some balls and trade up like they need to. Give a team an offer that they cannot refuse. Daboll and Schoen better do what they have to, mainly because putting your job on the line believing in 8 will have them updating their resumes.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 6, 2024 19:41:28 GMT -5
Nabers will have an OBJ like impact I believe. Odunze is less of a real deal but he could turn out to be a great WR too. Maybe more like a Hakeem Nicks. Like them both. If given the opportunity I would love to get Marvin though. He will be the next elite WR in the game. Our AJ Brown or Ceedee Lamb. With our QB situation and our OL? Gotta respectfully disagree. If we had those 2 parts done, WR at 6 would make more sense for me. On edit...Nabers over Odunze if we had a choice, and had the OL, and a QB I don't know what Nabers will be, but there are plenty of examples of great WR's making average QB's look better. DeAndre Hopkins has built a HOF caliber career playing with them. Terry McLaurin has been making garbage QB's in Washington look better his whole career. Hurts has been accused of being a product of his WR's. There may even be some truth to some fans claims that Beckham helped extend Eli's career. But I would expect plans to improve our QB and OL next year. But whomever the QB will be, a top WR can absolutely make them better.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 6, 2024 19:54:15 GMT -5
With a QB i figure you cannot go wrong with either if these guys.
I’ll give the SEC a edge but both are solid imo.
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Post by giants8493 on Feb 6, 2024 20:27:56 GMT -5
Nabers will have an OBJ like impact I believe. Odunze is less of a real deal but he could turn out to be a great WR too. Maybe more like a Hakeem Nicks. Like them both. If given the opportunity I would love to get Marvin though. He will be the next elite WR in the game. Our AJ Brown or Ceedee Lamb. what if scouts like nabers more? He has more yac potential. If that happens I take Marvin Harrison Jr over odunze
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Post by giants8493 on Feb 6, 2024 20:29:39 GMT -5
With our QB situation and our OL? Gotta respectfully disagree. If we had those 2 parts done, WR at 6 would make more sense for me. On edit...Nabers over Odunze if we had a choice, and had the OL, and a QB I don't know what Nabers will be, but there are plenty of examples of great WR's making average QB's look better. DeAndre Hopkins has built a HOF caliber career playing with them. Terry McLaurin has been making garbage QB's in Washington look better his whole career. Hurts has been accused of being a product of his WR's. There may even be some truth to some fans claims that Beckham helped extend Eli's career. But I would expect plans to improve our QB and OL next year, I wouldn't dismiss a quality WR because of our current state. Whoever the QB will be, a top WR can absolutely help the situation. Allen and digs took off together as well. DJ Moore started making Fields look like a better passer. Garrett Wilson could not save Zach Wilson but maybe that just means Garrett is over hyped
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Post by inconvenientruth on Feb 6, 2024 20:33:02 GMT -5
Curious to see where folks stand with this one. For the sake of conversation, let's say we decide to go WR at #6 and the best players available are Nabers and Odunze. Who would you prefer we take?
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Nabers. Though like if we had drafted Garrett Wilson a couple of years ago. Either Nabers/Odunze will just be doing a bunch of cardio more than anything else
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