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Post by balloonknot on Mar 24, 2024 12:04:31 GMT -5
Daboll should have commented on Jones weeks ago. Instead he let a national and local media narrative set in that the Giants were done with Jones. Just reinforces how untrustworthy both Schoen and Daboll appear to be. LOL, LOL, I am literally watching M.A.S.H. right now
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 24, 2024 12:06:35 GMT -5
Funny how I see it a bit differently. I see drafting a rookie QB as a means to give them a pass for a few more years. So I find this draft pretty intriguing from that perspective alone.
As for what I want, I want the player maker too because I want to see Jones work out to keep us from starting all over again. I felt the same way with Kerry with Eli. I don't like the idea of wasting players prime seasons to allow a rookie QB to get his feet wet.
We all know the idea is to do whatever is best for the NY Giants. This is going to be one interesting draft for sure. You just posted exactly how I feel but the injuries to the neck are an issue actually a big one I have had it it affects the upper body arms chest and shoulders it will affect throwing if it gets that far he is lucky if he's the same after 2. Sorry to hear that Dog. I think that alone is why the Giants must address the QB situation.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 24, 2024 12:11:18 GMT -5
Funny how I see it a bit differently. I see drafting a rookie QB as a means to give them a pass for a few more years. So I find this draft pretty intriguing from that perspective alone.
As for what I want, I want the player maker too because I want to see Jones work out to keep us from starting all over again. I felt the same way with Kerry with Eli. I don't like the idea of wasting players prime seasons to allow a rookie QB to get his feet wet.
We all know the idea is to do whatever is best for the NY Giants. This is going to be one interesting draft for sure. i agree. Going QB resets the clock and buys them more years. Put Jones in, redshirt the QB and if Jones plays well and the Giants are winning, great!! If they lose and Jones doesn’t play well, go with the kid in 2025. Otherwise, it’s go get a WR and win now with a roster which Vegas doesn’t seem to confident in with a front office known for firing coaches pretty quickly after Coughlin.
Exactly, although the only exception I can see is if Jones happened to have a great season. Then what? But that's not anything to worry about now and my guess is the Giants would view that as a good problem to have.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 24, 2024 12:12:17 GMT -5
They just gave the guy 85m guaranteed a year ago and 6 games played ago. He counts against the cap for 47m next season. What do you expect him to say? "Yeah we F'd up, he stinks when healthy and now he's had two neck injuries and an ACL in three years" I think what they do in the draft ultimately will show what they think of Dan Jones. That said, we might see 4 QBs go before they get to pick. They might be forced to go WR and then take a QB later.. 😂
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Post by miggs on Mar 24, 2024 12:24:01 GMT -5
It's clear the Eisen received info that the Giants are going in a different. He even said they are done with Jones. Management kept their silence. No rebuttal. Now Daboll provides support for Jones. Not surprised you think management has been consistent.
What's really important is what the Giants do in draft. If Jones is projected to be healthy, the Giants should take a WR or move down in the draft, and take a QB later in the draft.
If they think Jones won't remain healthy, they should take a QB with 6th pick if the project McCarthy as being a potential top 5 QB.
I don't buy the argument that Jones has limitations picking out receivers downfield as Schneider of the Banter Boys believes, and therefore getting a new QB is the Giants top need. But if FO has medical reports that indicate he may not be ready from the get-go, that's a legitimate reason for making the QB position a priority in the draft.
I like a GM who is bold, but only if he's proven right.
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Post by DJones19 on Mar 24, 2024 12:34:14 GMT -5
I don't think Daboll should have been so clear that Jones is his guy before the draft. What if Minnesota wants to trade down and give the Giants a haul for the #6 pick? Now Minnesota has a bargaining chip.
Daboll must really believe in Jones. That explains the 160 million dollar contract.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2024 12:38:12 GMT -5
You just posted exactly how I feel but the injuries to the neck are an issue actually a big one I have had it it affects the upper body arms chest and shoulders it will affect throwing if it gets that far he is lucky if he's the same after 2. Sorry to hear that Dog. I think that alone is why the Giants must address the QB situation. Right. The Giants have to draft a QB regardless of what they think of his ability. And they are clearly reinforcing their belief in him. Daboll is not the ones paying their salaries, he's going to play the QB he feels he can win with.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 24, 2024 13:06:38 GMT -5
You just posted exactly how I feel but the injuries to the neck are an issue actually a big one I have had it it affects the upper body arms chest and shoulders it will affect throwing if it gets that far he is lucky if he's the same after 2. Sorry to hear that Dog. I think that alone is why the Giants must address the QB situation. I got a week before a power lifting show got hurt my last work out have never been the same have to throw the ball under hand to my dogs lol and probably lost 30 yards on my cast when fishing Jones issues are serious. I wish they weren't because were gonna have to restart sooner or later at QB. I'm good thanks for the kind words I got hurt a t 55 it was coming any way sooner or later.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 24, 2024 13:08:59 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that Dog. I think that alone is why the Giants must address the QB situation. Right. The Giants have to draft a QB regardless of what they think of his ability. And they are clearly reinforcing their belief in him. Daboll is not the ones paying their salaries, he's going to play the QB he feels he can win with. Job security he needs wins if jones comes back and struggles think his leash will be short draft a QB or not.
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Post by mendy on Mar 24, 2024 13:12:05 GMT -5
Funny how I see it a bit differently. I see drafting a rookie QB as a means to give them a pass for a few more years. So I find this draft pretty intriguing from that perspective alone.
As for what I want, I want the player maker too because I want to see Jones work out to keep us from starting all over again. I felt the same way with Kerry with Eli. I don't like the idea of wasting players prime seasons to allow a rookie QB to get his feet wet.
We all know the idea is to do whatever is best for the NY Giants. This is going to be one interesting draft for sure. You just posted exactly how I feel but the injuries to the neck are an issue actually a big one I have had it it affects the upper body arms chest and shoulders it will affect throwing if it gets that far he is lucky if he's the same after 2. I want to say this and be respectful sorry you had Neck issues but we don't know what Jones injuries were. The second one first this year I was under the impression was whiplash from a sack. The first one I never heard what exactly what it was. Yes we know the knee but as far as I can find there is no factual report, yes a lot of assumptions. Sorry but I am one of the ones that believe 1} Ronnie Barnes wouldn't let Jones play if he was that much at risk and 2} He would not recommend the Giants sign him to that contract if he wasn't sure he could play.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2024 13:14:44 GMT -5
I don't think Daboll should have been so clear that Jones is his guy before the draft. What if Minnesota wants to trade down and give the Giants a haul for the #6 pick? Now Minnesota has a bargaining chip.Daboll must really believe in Jones. That explains the 160 million dollar contract. Which is what exactly? If anything, they are going to jump in front of the Giants.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 24, 2024 13:15:49 GMT -5
I don't think Daboll should have been so clear that Jones is his guy before the draft. What if Minnesota wants to trade down and give the Giants a haul for the #6 pick? Now Minnesota has a bargaining chip. Daboll must really believe in Jones. That explains the 160 million dollar contract. Or he is playing the game keeping teams thinking they are no threat to draft a QB. Having to give up a lot of draft capital is not a good thing for the Giants future as far as their rebuild goes it adds 2 years onto it because they will have no premium draft capital next year. The contract was a huge mistake part of that goes on Gettlemen for never giving Jones a #1 WR or a good OL to see what he could really do the damage is done he is beat up mentally and physically. Barkley escaped with some juice left in the tank to a better team. Jones will not have that chance he got the money and suffered 2 major injuries for it.
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Post by mendy on Mar 24, 2024 13:18:15 GMT -5
Right. The Giants have to draft a QB regardless of what they think of his ability. And they are clearly reinforcing their belief in him. Daboll is not the ones paying their salaries, he's going to play the QB he feels he can win with. Job security he needs wins if jones comes back and struggles think his leash will be short draft a QB or not. I agree they will draft a QB but not at #6 , There is more of a need for a true #1 WR IMO.
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Post by mendy on Mar 24, 2024 13:19:52 GMT -5
I don't think Daboll should have been so clear that Jones is his guy before the draft. What if Minnesota wants to trade down and give the Giants a haul for the #6 pick? Now Minnesota has a bargaining chip.Daboll must really believe in Jones. That explains the 160 million dollar contract. Which is what exactly? If anything, they are going to jump in front of the Giants. ...........or trade with the Giants , so we get draft capital.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 24, 2024 13:20:15 GMT -5
You just posted exactly how I feel but the injuries to the neck are an issue actually a big one I have had it it affects the upper body arms chest and shoulders it will affect throwing if it gets that far he is lucky if he's the same after 2. I want to say this and be respectful sorry you had Neck issues but we don't know what Jones injuries were. The second one first this year I was under the impression was whiplash from a sack. The first one I never heard what exactly what it was. Yes we know the knee but as far as I can find there is no factual report, yes a lot of assumptions. Sorry but I am one of the ones that believe 1} Ronnie Barnes wouldn't let Jones play if he was that much at risk and 2} He would not recommend the Giants sign him to that contract if he wasn't sure he could play. They said both were disc related when he came back the ball had little zip and when he through deep it was terrible then he hurt his knee he had surgery for the first 1 supposedly even tho he denies it. This is not good if you want to believe that he is good to go feel free I think this is going nowhere fast with him as far as health goes 1 healthy year out of 5 and very little production 5 out 5 years wish it was different they have ripped the band aid off they might as well finish the job.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 24, 2024 13:32:41 GMT -5
Job security he needs wins if jones comes back and struggles think his leash will be short draft a QB or not. I agree they will draft a QB but not at #6 , There is more of a need for a true #1 WR IMO. I suspect they will miss out on QBs. WR #1 is the next best bet. Nabers will be that dude
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Post by mendy on Mar 24, 2024 13:35:36 GMT -5
I want to say this and be respectful sorry you had Neck issues but we don't know what Jones injuries were. The second one first this year I was under the impression was whiplash from a sack. The first one I never heard what exactly what it was. Yes we know the knee but as far as I can find there is no factual report, yes a lot of assumptions. Sorry but I am one of the ones that believe 1} Ronnie Barnes wouldn't let Jones play if he was that much at risk and 2} He would not recommend the Giants sign him to that contract if he wasn't sure he could play. They said both were disc related when he came back the ball had little zip and when he through deep it was terrible then he hurt his knee he had surgery for the first 1 supposedly even tho he denies it. This is not good if you want to believe that he is good to go feel free I think this is going nowhere fast with him as far as health goes 1 healthy year out of 5 and very little production 5 out 5 years wish it was different they have ripped the band aid off they might as well finish the job. I understand but all we saw was a continuation of the same shit Eli was going through, We saw that with just a little protection Jones can play well.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 24, 2024 13:39:38 GMT -5
I don't think Daboll should have been so clear that Jones is his guy before the draft. What if Minnesota wants to trade down and give the Giants a haul for the #6 pick? Now Minnesota has a bargaining chip.Daboll must really believe in Jones. That explains the 160 million dollar contract. Which is what exactly? If anything, they are going to jump in front of the Giants. Backward way of thinking yet won’t be his 1st time and doubt his last. Guessing he thinks Minny somehow had a bargaining chip with the Giants b/c the Giants claim they have Jones.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 24, 2024 13:47:59 GMT -5
They said both were disc related when he came back the ball had little zip and when he through deep it was terrible then he hurt his knee he had surgery for the first 1 supposedly even tho he denies it. This is not good if you want to believe that he is good to go feel free I think this is going nowhere fast with him as far as health goes 1 healthy year out of 5 and very little production 5 out 5 years wish it was different they have ripped the band aid off they might as well finish the job. I understand but all we saw was a continuation of the same shit Eli was going through, We saw that with just a little protection Jones can play well. What Jones showed even in that season was not enough if he threw for 25 TDs and ran 7 in that would be much better he is a QB he needs to throw for 30 a year to be serious threat to defenses. Don't get me wrong it's on the Giants and Gettlemen but the damage is done what does he have 5 or 6 years left in him without ever producing good to greta numbers. Daboll and Schoen are stuck between a rock and a hard place they are not picking where it is Guaranteed they are gonna get a QB so they need to choose their words carefully. Only my opinion I think if they have the chance they need to take it and restart the QB position if not they should be building and revisit it next year there will be 2 maybe 3 QBs worth drafting probably or ride with Lock in 2025 and target 2026.
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 24, 2024 13:48:43 GMT -5
So Lock starts week 1, Jones is healthy week 4 and plays 3 games before getting hurt again, then Lock finishes the season. Sounds promising and like we have another top 10 pick in 2025. The Giants go 1-2 during DJ's 3 starts, he throws 1 TD, and the Giants are hit with his $23 million injury guarantee for 2025.
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Post by mendy on Mar 24, 2024 13:56:07 GMT -5
I understand but all we saw was a continuation of the same shit Eli was going through, We saw that with just a little protection Jones can play well. What Jones showed even in that season was not enough if he threw for 25 TDs and ran 7 in that would be much better he is a QB he needs to throw for 30 a year to be serious threat to defenses. Don't get me wrong it's on the Giants and Gettlemen but the damage is done what does he have 5 or 6 years left in him without ever producing good to greta numbers. Daboll and Schoen are stuck between a rock and a hard place they are not picking where it is Guaranteed they are gonna get a QB so they need to choose their words carefully. Only my opinion I think if they have the chance they need to take it and restart the QB position if not they should be building and revisit it next year there will be 2 maybe 3 QBs worth drafting probably or ride with Lock in 2025 and target 2026. There are no set rules for how many TD's a QB should throw . Look Jones has to play better , no question but so does the rest of the team, last year was not all Jones. 3 QB's four place kickers and numerous O line and receiver injuries not to mention a Defense that couldn't tackle. I honestly think Jones is getting to much of the blame.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2024 14:01:51 GMT -5
I understand but all we saw was a continuation of the same shit Eli was going through, We saw that with just a little protection Jones can play well. What Jones showed even in that season was not enough if he threw for 25 TDs and ran 7 in that would be much better he is a QB he needs to throw for 30 a year to be serious threat to defenses. Don't get me wrong it's on the Giants and Gettlemen but the damage is done what does he have 5 or 6 years left in him without ever producing good to greta numbers. Daboll and Schoen are stuck between a rock and a hard place they are not picking where it is Guaranteed they are gonna get a QB so they need to choose their words carefully. Only my opinion I think if they have the chance they need to take it and restart the QB position if not they should be building and revisit it next year there will be 2 maybe 3 QBs worth drafting probably or ride with Lock in 2025 and target 2026. if they miss on the top 4 QB's, I see them trying to move back and take someone like Nix or Penix. Although, if they're worried about Jones's injuries, Penix doesn't make a lot of sense. But the bottom line, I don't see ay scenario where they don't take a QB in this draft.
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Post by mendy on Mar 24, 2024 14:02:42 GMT -5
So Lock starts week 1, Jones is healthy week 4 and plays 3 games before getting hurt again, then Lock finishes the season. Sounds promising and like we have another top 10 pick in 2025. So you're hoping Jones gets hurt? Nice fan.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 24, 2024 14:11:40 GMT -5
So Lock starts week 1, Jones is healthy week 4 and plays 3 games before getting hurt again, then Lock finishes the season. Sounds promising and like we have another top 10 pick in 2025. The Giants go 1-2 during DJ's 3 starts, he throws 1 TD, and the Giants are hit with his $23 million injury guarantee for 2025. amazing how that fact escapes so many.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 24, 2024 14:37:43 GMT -5
I want to say this and be respectful sorry you had Neck issues but we don't know what Jones injuries were. The second one first this year I was under the impression was whiplash from a sack. The first one I never heard what exactly what it was. Yes we know the knee but as far as I can find there is no factual report, yes a lot of assumptions. Sorry but I am one of the ones that believe 1} Ronnie Barnes wouldn't let Jones play if he was that much at risk and 2} He would not recommend the Giants sign him to that contract if he wasn't sure he could play. They said both were disc related when he came back the ball had little zip and when he through deep it was terrible then he hurt his knee he had surgery for the first 1 supposedly even tho he denies it. This is not good if you want to believe that he is good to go feel free I think this is going nowhere fast with him as far as health goes 1 healthy year out of 5 and very little production 5 out 5 years wish it was different they have ripped the band aid off they might as well finish the job. I've never viewed him as having a great arm to begin with and it's hard to argue against what you've said.
I just prefer we don't waste a season or seasons, which is what we have done for a long time now. Tom decided it was most important to get Eli live action and the Super Balls make it difficult to argue against. But I did not like it at all at the time and I would have been very pissed had I been a STH.
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Post by Analyst on Mar 24, 2024 15:02:51 GMT -5
So Lock starts week 1, Jones is healthy week 4 and plays 3 games before getting hurt again, then Lock finishes the season. Sounds promising and like we have another top 10 pick in 2025. So you're hoping Jones gets hurt? Nice fan. Big Red, you are still as pathetic as ever. And still drowning in the sea of basic reading comprehension.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 24, 2024 15:12:18 GMT -5
What Jones showed even in that season was not enough if he threw for 25 TDs and ran 7 in that would be much better he is a QB he needs to throw for 30 a year to be serious threat to defenses. Don't get me wrong it's on the Giants and Gettlemen but the damage is done what does he have 5 or 6 years left in him without ever producing good to greta numbers. Daboll and Schoen are stuck between a rock and a hard place they are not picking where it is Guaranteed they are gonna get a QB so they need to choose their words carefully. Only my opinion I think if they have the chance they need to take it and restart the QB position if not they should be building and revisit it next year there will be 2 maybe 3 QBs worth drafting probably or ride with Lock in 2025 and target 2026. if they miss on the top 4 QB's, I see them trying to move back and take someone like Nix or Penix. Although, if they're worried about Jones's injuries, Penix doesn't make a lot of sense. But the bottom line, I don't see ay scenario where they don't take a QB in this draft. There always the top 5 they pick from or maybe top 10 Qbs why stop at 4......lol
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Post by mendy on Mar 24, 2024 16:57:02 GMT -5
So you're hoping Jones gets hurt? Nice fan. Big Red, you are still as pathetic as ever. And still drowning in the sea of basic reading comprehension. Considering you can't get my moniker correct there is no reasonable expectation of you to understand what it is you yourself wrote. Analyst 9 hours ago Analyst said: So Lock starts week 1, Jones is healthy week 4 and plays 3 games before getting hurt again, then Lock finishes the season. Sounds promising and like we have another top 10 pick in 2025.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 24, 2024 17:27:53 GMT -5
They said both were disc related when he came back the ball had little zip and when he through deep it was terrible then he hurt his knee he had surgery for the first 1 supposedly even tho he denies it. This is not good if you want to believe that he is good to go feel free I think this is going nowhere fast with him as far as health goes 1 healthy year out of 5 and very little production 5 out 5 years wish it was different they have ripped the band aid off they might as well finish the job. I understand but all we saw was a continuation of the same shit Eli was going through, We saw that with just a little protection Jones can play well. “We” saw that?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 24, 2024 17:29:09 GMT -5
So Lock starts week 1, Jones is healthy week 4 and plays 3 games before getting hurt again, then Lock finishes the season. Sounds promising and like we have another top 10 pick in 2025. So you're hoping Jones gets hurt? Nice fan. There’s the misrepresentation of poster’s words so it fits your agenda. Your daily quota is met. Carry on, warrior.
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