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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 28, 2024 15:55:15 GMT -5
Daboll was there and witnessed him Run a 4.53 and a 4.56 40s so he does have some speed in the tool box, 36.5 inch vert and can also jump and he showed off that Cannon throwing the ball.
Think he really helped himself today and probably has moved himself up the ladder to maybe mid first round or maybe right around 9 through 17.
Lot of teams looking for QBs he has put himself into the mix.
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 28, 2024 16:09:18 GMT -5
The ONLY red flag on dude is that scary medical history
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 28, 2024 16:31:49 GMT -5
The ONLY red flag on dude is that scary medical history He helped himself a lot showing he has the ability to bail himself out if he learns how to use his legs correctly, not take too much risk and move around the pocket, something Jones never learned. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 28, 2024 16:48:01 GMT -5
The ONLY red flag on dude is that scary medical history He passed his physical at the combine with flying colors. No red flags. He has healed incredibly well apparently. I wouldn’t mind Penix at all but not at 6 and iffy if he’ll make it to round 2 |
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 28, 2024 17:33:34 GMT -5
The ONLY red flag on dude is that scary medical history He passed his physical at the combine with flying colors. No red flags. He has healed incredibly well apparently. I wouldn’t mind Penix at all but not at 6 and iffy if he’ll make it to round 2 It's not about how healthy is now or even in 3 months. It's about how long he will last as a starting QB in the NFL before getting injured again. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 28, 2024 18:22:47 GMT -5
He passed his physical at the combine with flying colors. No red flags. He has healed incredibly well apparently. I wouldn’t mind Penix at all but not at 6 and iffy if he’ll make it to round 2 It's not about how healthy is now or even in 3 months. It's about how long he will last as a starting QB in the NFL before getting injured again. More about arthritis and deterioration type stuff some guys get healthy and stay that way. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 28, 2024 18:33:21 GMT -5
Daboll was there and witnessed him Run a 4.53 and a 4.56 40s so he does have some speed in the tool box, 36.5 inch vert and can also jump and he showed off that Cannon throwing the ball. Think he really helped himself today and probably has moved himself up the ladder to maybe mid first round or maybe right around 9 through 17. Lot of teams looking for QBs he has put himself into the mix. 4.5 40 yd is plenty fast. And God knows like you said he has a cannon of an arm. He completed a pass 70 yds at the combine. I know no defender and shorts and a T shirt. But still it was a missile. It's the injuries, I still think him and Bo Nix could go 1st rd. Denver or Vegas. Otherwise they could both wind up going in the 2nd rd to a number of teams. IMHO Pennix would be better than anybody we got at QB right now. |
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Post by vinnie on Mar 28, 2024 18:34:56 GMT -5
I used to like Penix the most, aside from the injuries, but after watching the National Championship game I’m a lot more skeptical. He thew 27 for 51, ~53% completion rate, and had 1 TD and 2 INT’s. He looked like ass. Then I looked at his season stats and he struggled against a lot of good teams. If he had problems against better competition in college, how will he do against NFL defenses?
On the other hand, the other QB they’re working out was also in the NCG and threw a whopping 10 passes for a 55% completion rate, 140 total yards and 0 TD’s. Good times.
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Post by Nite on Mar 28, 2024 18:40:45 GMT -5
Daboll was there and witnessed him Run a 4.53 and a 4.56 40s so he does have some speed in the tool box, 36.5 inch vert and can also jump and he showed off that Cannon throwing the ball. Think he really helped himself today and probably has moved himself up the ladder to maybe mid first round or maybe right around 9 through 17. Lot of teams looking for QBs he has put himself into the mix. 4.5 40 yd is plenty fast. And God knows like you said he has a cannon of an arm. He completed a pass 70 yds at the combine. I know no defender and shorts and a T shirt. But still it was a missile. It's the injuries, I still think him and Bo Nix could go 1st rd. Denver or Vegas. Otherwise they could both wind up going in the 2nd rd to a number of teams. IMHO Pennix would be better than anybody we got at QB right now. All the major college QBs will go top 10. Teams are starved for at least half-assed qbs. If we get cute and wait until the 2nd round (while picking a 'generational' receiver who DJ can't throw to) they will be gone. Guaranteed. I guess it all depends on what Mara (I mean Schoen) wants.. |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 28, 2024 18:51:16 GMT -5
He passed his physical at the combine with flying colors. No red flags. He has healed incredibly well apparently. I wouldn’t mind Penix at all but not at 6 and iffy if he’ll make it to round 2 It's not about how healthy is now or even in 3 months. It's about how long he will last as a starting QB in the NFL before getting injured again. And a player who has torn his ACL twice is never going to be considered healthy again. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Mar 28, 2024 19:39:19 GMT -5
What scares me about Penix is he is really a bit of a throw back to the pure pocket passers. Give him time and he is the best pure passer in this class.
But in the NFL, that is a dying breed. He isn't going to get the same kind of protection and is going to have to, at some point, move out of the pocket and be mobile and make plays.
That is where he is going to have to improve as it isnt his strength and also where he puts himself more at risk of injury.
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Post by DJones19 on Mar 28, 2024 19:50:35 GMT -5
Surprised me with how fast he ran given he isn't considered very mobile. Maybe he isn't quick twitch like Tyrod. Couldn't find a good view of his throwing workout yet but he has huge hands, ball comes out of it nicely. Here is Daboll talking with Penix and Odunze.  |
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Post by Aris on Mar 28, 2024 20:18:58 GMT -5
The ONLY red flag on dude is that scary medical history That and his pocket presence when it breaks down...guy is a college old broken up shotgun conference specialist. NFL defenses and DC's will eat him up. IMHO of course.  |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 28, 2024 20:20:49 GMT -5
Daboll was there and witnessed him Run a 4.53 and a 4.56 40s so he does have some speed in the tool box, 36.5 inch vert and can also jump and he showed off that Cannon throwing the ball. Think he really helped himself today and probably has moved himself up the ladder to maybe mid first round or maybe right around 9 through 17. Lot of teams looking for QBs he has put himself into the mix. 4.5 40 yd is plenty fast. And God knows like you said he has a cannon of an arm. He completed a pass 70 yds at the combine. I know no defender and shorts and a T shirt. But still it was a missile. It's the injuries, I still think him and Bo Nix could go 1st rd. Denver or Vegas. Otherwise they could both wind up going in the 2nd rd to a number of teams. IMHO Pennix would be better than anybody we got at QB right now. Denver / Vegas / Seattle will be there waiting for the low hanging fruit to fall to them. |
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Post by Aris on Mar 28, 2024 20:26:59 GMT -5
I used to like Penix the most, aside from the injuries, but after watching the National Championship game I’m a lot more skeptical. He thew 27 for 51, ~53% completion rate, and had 1 TD and 2 INT’s. He looked like ass. Then I looked at his season stats and he struggled against a lot of good teams. If he had problems against better competition in college, how will he do against NFL defenses? On the other hand, the other QB they’re working out was also in the NCG and threw a whopping 10 passes for a 55% completion rate, 140 total yards and 0 TD’s. Good times. One couldn't drink at a bar and was operating a NFL type offense that was recruited to run the ball.... and the other QB was limping around dealing with a NFL type defense ...but yeah, no QB's took over that game.  |
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Post by Aris on Mar 28, 2024 20:30:10 GMT -5
What scares me about Penix is he is really a bit of a throw back to the pure pocket passers. Give him time and he is the best pure passer in this class. But in the NFL, that is a dying breed. He isn't going to get the same kind of protection and is going to have to, at some point, move out of the pocket and be mobile and make plays. That is where he is going to have to improve as it isnt his strength and also where he puts himself more at risk of injury. I have to disagree a bit...when I watch tape on him, he takes steps back from the shotgun. A LOT....don't see a lot of pocket. But to his credit, his arm talent is real and he can afford to throw without stepping into the ACL 3 zone too often. |
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Post by vinnie on Mar 28, 2024 20:31:34 GMT -5
I used to like Penix the most, aside from the injuries, but after watching the National Championship game I’m a lot more skeptical. He thew 27 for 51, ~53% completion rate, and had 1 TD and 2 INT’s. He looked like ass. Then I looked at his season stats and he struggled against a lot of good teams. If he had problems against better competition in college, how will he do against NFL defenses? On the other hand, the other QB they’re working out was also in the NCG and threw a whopping 10 passes for a 55% completion rate, 140 total yards and 0 TD’s. Good times. One couldn't drink at a bar and was operating a NFL type offense that was recruited to run the ball.... and the other QB was limping around dealing with a NFL type defense ...but yeah, no QB's took over that game. I will admit that I’m not saying none of these guys will be good QB’s in the NFL, I’m sure 2-3 MAX but probably more like 1 or 2 will be, I’m just giving my lowly observations and concerns. Like most GM’s, I don’t know shit about how well these guys will turn out. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 28, 2024 20:31:53 GMT -5
The ONLY red flag on dude is that scary medical history That and his pocket presence when it breaks down...guy is a college old broken up shotgun conference specialist. NFL defenses and DC's will eat him up. IMHO of course. Pocket presence is a huge issue the rest is there, hate to say it but he looks like a mouse caught in a trap when the rush is closing in on him, just another QB that if coaches think they can coach that up will be an option. I think if the Giants get shut out of the top 4 they need to get the #1 WR that will be waiting for them at 6 then maybe look at one of the projects at QB later on maybe they get lucky and find a starter or find an affordable backup. Also they will have to weigh if they draft a guy like Penix does his arm talent alone make him a better QB than DJ in short time I would say yes because he has the arm to make a defense cover every inch of teh field. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 28, 2024 20:40:16 GMT -5
Surprised me with how fast he ran given he isn't considered very mobile. Maybe he isn't quick twitch like Tyrod. Couldn't find a good view of his throwing workout yet but he has huge hands, ball comes out of it nicely. Here is Daboll talking with Penix and Odunze. Daboll looks like he is about to kidnap Odunze lol |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Mar 28, 2024 20:59:41 GMT -5
What scares me about Penix is he is really a bit of a throw back to the pure pocket passers. Give him time and he is the best pure passer in this class. But in the NFL, that is a dying breed. He isn't going to get the same kind of protection and is going to have to, at some point, move out of the pocket and be mobile and make plays. That is where he is going to have to improve as it isnt his strength and also where he puts himself more at risk of injury. I have to disagree a bit...when I watch tape on him, he takes steps back from the shotgun. A LOT....don't see a lot of pocket. But to his credit, his arm talent is real and he can afford to throw without stepping into the ACL 3 zone too often. I guess my point was he is at his best when he doesn't have to move as much and improvise and make plays. I'm not saying he can't do it, or doesn't have the mobility to, he just hasn't shown a lot of it |
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Post by Aris on Mar 28, 2024 21:03:47 GMT -5
One couldn't drink at a bar and was operating a NFL type offense that was recruited to run the ball.... and the other QB was limping around dealing with a NFL type defense ...but yeah, no QB's took over that game. I will admit that I’m not saying none of these guys will be good QB’s in the NFL, I’m sure 2-3 MAX but probably more like 1 or 2 will be, I’m just giving my lowly observations and concerns. Like most GM’s, I don’t know shit about how well these guys will turn out. I'm with you on another post you made...getting old so not sure if I replied to it. I am totally not sold on this OL...again. We signed a swing tackle, and a guard that took less and less snaps at Green Bay as the season went on...given to a rookie. He was being outplayed...not worth 10 million a year. If our center does a Neal this year, we can sign all the weapons in the world...and watch the Jones injury clause make us pay another silly year. Taking an X receiver, and expecting Jones to laser his throws from the now clean pocket, from right hash to outside the left numbers to a X area route 30 yards away is real fantasy football. Of course he can run again, into a 240 pound linebacker and see how that neck thing works out. We can't do another year of one read and run... Going Lock and Jones and not getting a QB to take a chance on would be Gettlemanesque idiocy. I'd rather play Lock the year over Jones...at least he has arm talent, and can reach an X receiver on a rope 40 yards down field....sure many times triple covered, but at least the picks are harder to make when they have some heat on them.  In other news, Trevor Penning the LT whom I thought was the best OT of the 4 would take the next step is now looking more and more as a future doorman at a Roadside bar. Never believe a high school LOS coach that enjoys watching film in his underwear and cares not where he flicks his desert boogers. |
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Post by Aris on Mar 28, 2024 21:12:27 GMT -5
That and his pocket presence when it breaks down...guy is a college old broken up shotgun conference specialist. NFL defenses and DC's will eat him up. IMHO of course. Pocket presence is a huge issue the rest is there, hate to say it but he looks like a mouse caught in a trap when the rush is closing in on him, just another QB that if coaches think they can coach that up will be an option. I think if the Giants get shut out of the top 4 they need to get the #1 WR that will be waiting for them at 6 then maybe look at one of the projects at QB later on maybe they get lucky and find a starter or find an affordable backup. Also they will have to weigh if they draft a guy like Penix does his arm talent alone make him a better QB than DJ in short time I would say yes because he has the arm to make a defense cover every inch of teh field. Good analogy. Not sure if he's capable of taking snaps under center and being comfortable dropping back into an actual pocket....again, I'm wrong a lot ... but with him I do not see transition ...but his arm talent is going to have a team take him earlier then his right spot. All QB's and that incredible positional value are reached for. We are at 6. Trade the next two years away in picks, as said elsewhere on this board...grow a pair and overpay at the auction like they are JFK's golf clubs....some talent back there this year, and I hope we are never this close again to be in need of a RB...wait, I meant QB. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 28, 2024 21:19:08 GMT -5
He passed his physical at the combine with flying colors. No red flags. He has healed incredibly well apparently. I wouldn’t mind Penix at all but not at 6 and iffy if he’ll make it to round 2 It's not about how healthy is now or even in 3 months. It's about how long he will last as a starting QB in the NFL before getting injured again. Yeah his health now and passing his physical with no red flags after significant injuries has nothing to do with evaluating him. You’re a genius. With any player who has recovered from a significant injury or injuries their is always a concern about recovery from a re injury. That’s kind of a given but thanks a bunch for pointing that out. My was response was to a remark about his injury concerns. He passed his physical no red flags so he is currently in good health no more no less. He has taken many hits since the injuries and held up well. Personally I’m not gonna be a worry wart about what could happen but we’re all different. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 28, 2024 21:28:04 GMT -5
I will admit that I’m not saying none of these guys will be good QB’s in the NFL, I’m sure 2-3 MAX but probably more like 1 or 2 will be, I’m just giving my lowly observations and concerns. Like most GM’s, I don’t know shit about how well these guys will turn out. I'm with you on another post you made...getting old so not sure if I replied to it. I am totally not sold on this OL...again. We signed a swing tackle, and a guard that took less and less snaps at Green Bay as the season went on...given to a rookie. He was being outplayed...not worth 10 million a year. If our center does a Neal this year, we can sign all the weapons in the world...and watch the Jones injury clause make us pay another silly year. Taking an X receiver, and expecting Jones to laser his throws from the now clean pocket, from right hash to outside the left numbers to a X area route 30 yards away is real fantasy football. Of course he can run again, into a 240 pound linebacker and see how that neck thing works out. We can't do another year of one read and run... Going Lock and Jones and not getting a QB to take a chance on would be Gettlemanesque idiocy. I'd rather play Lock the year over Jones...at least he has arm talent, and can reach an X receiver on a rope 40 yards down field....sure many times triple covered, but at least the picks are harder to make when they have some heat on them. In other news, Trevor Penning the LT whom I thought was the best OT of the 4 would take the next step is now looking more and more as a future doorman at a Roadside bar. Never believe a high school LOS coach that enjoys watching film in his underwear and cares not where he flicks his desert boogers. Have to agree with you rather see Lock rolled out there he can make every throw but what they need more is some draft luck and get a shot at one of the top 4 QBs. That said they better have a plan B and C lol |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 28, 2024 21:30:42 GMT -5
Penix will probably end up in Denver or Vegas. And he'll probably have a great career.
I suppose we won't take him at 6 but I think he's the most "interesting" QB in this draft. Tremendous ceiling.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 28, 2024 21:33:31 GMT -5
Pocket presence is a huge issue the rest is there, hate to say it but he looks like a mouse caught in a trap when the rush is closing in on him, just another QB that if coaches think they can coach that up will be an option. I think if the Giants get shut out of the top 4 they need to get the #1 WR that will be waiting for them at 6 then maybe look at one of the projects at QB later on maybe they get lucky and find a starter or find an affordable backup. Also they will have to weigh if they draft a guy like Penix does his arm talent alone make him a better QB than DJ in short time I would say yes because he has the arm to make a defense cover every inch of teh field. Good analogy. Not sure if he's capable of taking snaps under center and being comfortable dropping back into an actual pocket....again, I'm wrong a lot ... but with him I do not see transition ...but his arm talent is going to have a team take him earlier then his right spot. All QB's and that incredible positional value are reached for. We are at 6. Trade the next two years away in picks, as said elsewhere on this board...grow a pair and overpay at the auction like they are JFK's golf clubs....some talent back there this year, and I hope we are never this close again to be in need of a RB...wait, I meant QB. Thats what separates great GMs Accorsi gave the world for Eli and new he was gonna get killed for giving up that kings ransom but had the cantelope size nuts to make the trade. And came back the next year with only 4 picks and crushed that draft let do it |
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Post by Aris on Mar 28, 2024 21:37:16 GMT -5
Good analogy. Not sure if he's capable of taking snaps under center and being comfortable dropping back into an actual pocket....again, I'm wrong a lot ... but with him I do not see transition ...but his arm talent is going to have a team take him earlier then his right spot. All QB's and that incredible positional value are reached for. We are at 6. Trade the next two years away in picks, as said elsewhere on this board...grow a pair and overpay at the auction like they are JFK's golf clubs....some talent back there this year, and I hope we are never this close again to be in need of a RB...wait, I meant QB. Thats what separates great GMs Accorsi gave the world for Eli and new he was gonna get killed for giving up that kings ransom but had the cantelope size nuts to make the trade. And came back the next year with only 4 picks and crushed that draft let do itYeah, that draft was amazing. Teams can have 11 picks in a draft and not hit 4.  |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 28, 2024 21:46:18 GMT -5
I will admit that I’m not saying none of these guys will be good QB’s in the NFL, I’m sure 2-3 MAX but probably more like 1 or 2 will be, I’m just giving my lowly observations and concerns. Like most GM’s, I don’t know shit about how well these guys will turn out. I'm with you on another post you made...getting old so not sure if I replied to it. I am totally not sold on this OL...again. We signed a swing tackle, and a guard that took less and less snaps at Green Bay as the season went on...given to a rookie. He was being outplayed...not worth 10 million a year. If our center does a Neal this year, we can sign all the weapons in the world...and watch the Jones injury clause make us pay another silly year. Taking an X receiver, and expecting Jones to laser his throws from the now clean pocket, from right hash to outside the left numbers to a X area route 30 yards away is real fantasy football. Of course he can run again, into a 240 pound linebacker and see how that neck thing works out. We can't do another year of one read and run... Going Lock and Jones and not getting a QB to take a chance on would be Gettlemanesque idiocy. I'd rather play Lock the year over Jones...at least he has arm talent, and can reach an X receiver on a rope 40 yards down field....sure many times triple covered, but at least the picks are harder to make when they have some heat on them. In other news, Trevor Penning the LT whom I thought was the best OT of the 4 would take the next step is now looking more and more as a future doorman at a Roadside bar. Never believe a high school LOS coach that enjoys watching film in his underwear and cares not where he flicks his desert boogers. How do you figure Eluemunor is a swing T? He's a two year starter at RT, top-32 ranked. At worst he'll be starting at Guard. And that will require a miraculous turnaround by Neal. The Giants aren't paying him to be a backup. I'm just curious, why some think this, I've heard "swing T" a few times. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 28, 2024 21:57:05 GMT -5
Thats what separates great GMs Accorsi gave the world for Eli and new he was gonna get killed for giving up that kings ransom but had the cantelope size nuts to make the trade. And came back the next year with only 4 picks and crushed that draft let do itYeah, that draft was amazing. Teams can have 11 picks in a draft and not hit 4. Giants need a trade partner I think the hammer is cocked they need a partner to pull the trigger they should be able to find one teams can still get a great talent at 6 and pick up much needed draft capital. A lot of disrespect here at times for Accorsi but he brought in the last 2 QBs that got this team to 3 SBs and the nucleus that won the last 2. GMs have to have thick skin and not flinch when a opportunity arises they gotta have a quick trigger. |
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Post by Aris on Mar 28, 2024 22:07:09 GMT -5
Penix will probably end up in Denver or Vegas. And he'll probably have a great career. I suppose we won't take him at 6 but I think he's the most "interesting" QB in this draft. Tremendous ceiling.Meh, gonna disagree....his ceiling was IMHO at Washington...reuniting with coach DeBoer and running a great passing offense from some nice play calling for college in the new pac 2 His arm talent was on film, and it is real. No need of any pro day with no pads. He also has a huge trap door on that floor where his often injured body might fall through...and eventually you don't recover from those type injuries and the NFL has a lot more exotic defenses than he was facing...he will have to work under center to hand the ball off at times, to create play action...not sure he is comfy with that, and dc's will get to him quite a bit ...pocket presence is as important as arm talent. It basically is the Daniel Jones killer...when the play breaks down he enters panic attack stage 2...and then the fumbles happened. Fixed. Panic now enters year two and onward, and panic stage 3 and onward, the panic that the offense can smell in the huddle...until he's locking more and more on a single receiver and finally running off designs far too often for a NFL QB... sacks and silly throws...less fumbles...accuracy when he has time and a receiver is wide open. No offensive line of course did not help his growth, but Daboll squeezed all he can from this 6 pick lemon, and even juiced a playoff win. All that said, I still take a shot on Penix at pick 6. Penix at six   Nix at six Both better then Jones at 6 in talent ...so what the hell  |
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