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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 10, 2024 10:29:39 GMT -5
We'll know better in 2 weeks after the draft but I was looking at the teams after FA and expected 1st rd picks and 2024 looks like a long road back for Big Blue. To me I think the Giants and Carolina are the 2 worse teams in the NFC. N.E. to me easily is the worse team in the AFC.
No matter who our 1st rd pick is it should only be nominal help. A QB with our 1st rd pick in the draft may not even start and if he does would anyone expect any success this season ? But he will be the man in 2025. As it stands now to me Jones and Luck are 2 backup QB's with flaws and no consistent success.
A WR should help from opening day but who are we relying on to get him the ball enough ? I think a WR will improve our offense this season with an upgraded OL but I don't see any WR coming on the scene and immediately lead us to really scoring any more points than last year with inferior starting QB play once again. What do we see 5-6 wins again ?
Now I do think this could be the foundation for the 2025 season. If we finish in the bottom 3 teams and have one of the first picks in the draft again next year maybe we could hopefully trade back for a boat load of top picks. But there aren't suppose to be any QB's at the top few picks of the draft for the 2025 season.
But in 2025 even if we pick somewhere in the top 10 which seems pretty much like a sure bet we should pick up 2 starters with out first 2 picks like we will do this year. And we should be better with cap space in FA. So this year is still a year of rebuilding and next year 2025 is finally the year to compete. Hell maybe Dak will be a FA in'25 and we can shoot for him at 50-60 mil a year. lol
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Post by idkaname on Apr 10, 2024 10:42:49 GMT -5
You're drunk already?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 10, 2024 10:44:13 GMT -5
Not yet, maybe on draft day. |
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Post by idkaname on Apr 10, 2024 10:46:15 GMT -5
Not yet, maybe on draft day. touché, I don't think Dak prescott is our answer though. We just have to hope some of our young guys develop quickly and start filling holes we believe to be bigger than they are. All we can do is hope at this stage |
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 10, 2024 10:52:49 GMT -5
He doesn’t get drunk.. Drunk gets him. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 10, 2024 10:54:46 GMT -5
If the changes to our O Line, both coaching and personelle, get them to play at an average level, we may be better then most fear. I'm not banking on it occurring, but I think they'll be hard pressed to play as poorly as last years failure, so I have a smidgen of hope.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 10, 2024 11:02:57 GMT -5
The vast majority of fans were excited about our potential going into last season. Since then, DJ got injured and we lost Barkley. Losing Barkley hurts, but beyond that not a whole lot has changed. Why are expectations so much lower?
It's not uncommon for a rebuilding team to make the playoffs one year, then miss it the following due to the stronger S.O.S., injuries, etc. I'm not saying I expect us to be a great team, but I do expect us to compete for a playoff spot if we remain relatively healthy.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 10, 2024 11:03:27 GMT -5
That's a pretty grim view halfway through the offseason.
We're not even the worst team in the division. How did the Commanders suddenly pass us? Even the Eagles are no longer an automatic L.
Like the song says, things can only get better.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 10, 2024 11:04:55 GMT -5
He doesn’t get drunk.. Drunk gets him. I heard this line years ago " Alcohol " , " The cause and the solution to all my problems ".  |
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 10, 2024 11:37:28 GMT -5
The team needs to be healthier than it was last year (or at least split the injuries between offence and defence).
Th o line needs to improve.
We won 6 games with massive turmoil on the o line and 2nd and 3rd string QBs. We can win more if we stay healthy and have a mediocre o line.
But there is no saving this team if we’re relying on back ups for 3 of 5 o line starters for most of the year.
PS: drafts build for the future. Rookies that seriously contribute as starters are not the norm. Look around the league. Some play great, some play ok, some suck.
Case in point, with a new coach and some stability on either side of him i expect JMS to take a big leap this year.
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 10, 2024 11:52:59 GMT -5
We'll know better in 2 weeks after the draft but I was looking at the teams after FA and expected 1st rd picks and 2024 looks like a long road back for Big Blue. To me I think the Giants and Carolina are the 2 worse teams in the NFC. N.E. to me easily is the worse team in the AFC. No matter who our 1st rd pick is it should only be nominal help. A QB with our 1st rd pick in the draft may not even start and if he does would anyone expect any success this season ? But he will be the man in 2025. As it stands now to me Jones and Luck are 2 backup QB's with flaws and no consistent success. A WR should help from opening day but who are we relying on to get him the ball enough ? I think a WR will improve our offense this season with an upgraded OL but I don't see any WR coming on the scene and immediately lead us to really scoring any more points than last year with inferior starting QB play once again. What do we see 5-6 wins again ? Now I do think this could be the foundation for the 2025 season. If we finish in the bottom 3 teams and have one of the first picks in the draft again next year maybe we could hopefully trade back for a boat load of top picks. But there aren't suppose to be any QB's at the top few picks of the draft for the 2025 season. But in 2025 even if we pick somewhere in the top 10 which seems pretty much like a sure bet we should pick up 2 starters with out first 2 picks like we will do this year. And we should be better with cap space in FA. So this year is still a year of rebuilding and next year 2025 is finally the year to compete. Hell maybe Dak will be a FA in'25 and we can shoot for him at 50-60 mil a year. lol We're worse than Washington? We've been fairly dominant against them for as long as I remember. The defense has a chance of being better than last year. And you don't think picking up a legit WR1 for the first time since a prime Beckham was around would help the team? Look what Odell's impact was with Eli in 2014 after he got drafted after the abysmal 2013 season where it looked like the team was done. The narrative was very similar in 2022 and we made the playoffs and the coach won NFL Coach of the Year. I don't think the team is good..but could be good enough to be a lot more competitive than last year. I'm not a big believer in the NFL's starting QB scarcity issue that the media loves ot push every year around draft season. Somehow there is a scarcity of starting QBs in the NFL yet there is usually 3-4+ good ones every draft. This year they say there is 6+ |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 10, 2024 12:25:15 GMT -5
The vast majority of fans were excited about our potential going into last season. Since then, DJ got injured and we lost Barkley. Losing Barkley hurts, but beyond that not a whole lot has changed. Why are expectations so much lower? It's not uncommon for a rebuilding team to make the playoffs one year, then miss it the following due to the stronger S.O.S., injuries, etc. I'm not saying I expect us to be a great team, but I do expect us to compete for a playoff spot if we remain relatively healthy. When you look at it losing SQB hurts but they took that money and got some OLs that have started and been at least average or above they traded fro a stud edge layer that is young and ascending. I think they redistributed fends to premium position groups and will draft accordingly think another Corner is possible and #1 WR is very possible maybe a QB 2nd or 3rd round if one doesn't fall. If they can clean up that OL some and play a cleaner mental game they will improve. |
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Post by Nite on Apr 10, 2024 13:15:47 GMT -5
That's a pretty grim view halfway through the offseason. We're not even the worst team in the division. How did the Commanders suddenly pass us? Even the Eagles are no longer an automatic L. Like the song says, things can only get better. They can get worse tho' ...optimistically speaking... |
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Post by thrax on Apr 10, 2024 14:39:15 GMT -5
Keep drinking until your liver is sore to the touch
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 10, 2024 15:00:29 GMT -5
We'll know better in 2 weeks after the draft but I was looking at the teams after FA and expected 1st rd picks and 2024 looks like a long road back for Big Blue. To me I think the Giants and Carolina are the 2 worse teams in the NFC. N.E. to me easily is the worse team in the AFC. No matter who our 1st rd pick is it should only be nominal help. A QB with our 1st rd pick in the draft may not even start and if he does would anyone expect any success this season ? But he will be the man in 2025. As it stands now to me Jones and Luck are 2 backup QB's with flaws and no consistent success. A WR should help from opening day but who are we relying on to get him the ball enough ? I think a WR will improve our offense this season with an upgraded OL but I don't see any WR coming on the scene and immediately lead us to really scoring any more points than last year with inferior starting QB play once again. What do we see 5-6 wins again ? Now I do think this could be the foundation for the 2025 season. If we finish in the bottom 3 teams and have one of the first picks in the draft again next year maybe we could hopefully trade back for a boat load of top picks. But there aren't suppose to be any QB's at the top few picks of the draft for the 2025 season. But in 2025 even if we pick somewhere in the top 10 which seems pretty much like a sure bet we should pick up 2 starters with out first 2 picks like we will do this year. And we should be better with cap space in FA. So this year is still a year of rebuilding and next year 2025 is finally the year to compete. Hell maybe Dak will be a FA in'25 and we can shoot for him at 50-60 mil a year. lol I don't expect Jones to be night and day what he showed last year but if he is healthy and ready to do I for dang sure don't see how he cannot be slightly better with better protection. I want one of those big 3 WR and if the line blocks and protection holds up I can see us being at least decent. Dang sure better than last year. And remember we should've won 3 more games that we gave away |
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2024 16:38:37 GMT -5
I am not expecting much. That way I won't be let down. If they have some kind of miracle. I will be pleasantly surprised.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 10, 2024 17:30:54 GMT -5
The team needs to be healthier than it was last year (or at least split the injuries between offence and defence). Th o line needs to improve. We won 6 games with massive turmoil on the o line and 2nd and 3rd string QBs. We can win more if we stay healthy and have a mediocre o line. But there is no saving this team if we’re relying on back ups for 3 of 5 o line starters for most of the year. PS: drafts build for the future. Rookies that seriously contribute as starters are not the norm. Look around the league. Some play great, some play ok, some suck. Case in point, with a new coach and some stability on either side of him i expect JMS to take a big leap this year. 100%. Injuries, especially on the ol, have killed us for years. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 10, 2024 17:55:54 GMT -5
If the changes to our O Line, both coaching and personelle, get them to play at an average level, we may be better then most fear. I'm not banking on it occurring, but I think they'll be hard pressed to play as poorly as last years failure, so I have a smidgen of hope. I am so scarred by 12 years of futility in rebuilding the OL that even the optimist in me needs clear visual proof that things are in fact better there. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 10, 2024 18:25:17 GMT -5
I think a WR will improve our offense this season with an upgraded OL but I don't see any WR coming on the scene and immediately lead us to really scoring any more points than last year with inferior starting QB play once again. What do we see 5-6 wins again ? We had a ton of injuries to our best players on offense and still won 6 games and narrowly lost an additional 3 games, plus we had a much harder schedule last year than what this years looks like.
If Jones stays healthy there is ZERO chance our QB play is as bad as last year. If Jones gets hurt I still have Lock doing better than Devito and Taylor did last year.
All that said I got us potentially getting back to the 9-10 win area. Still lots of unknowns at this point though. Do we add a WR? Do we reset with a QB? What around round 2? What's Waller doing? How will our new defense perform?
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Post by vinnie on Apr 10, 2024 18:38:54 GMT -5
For those who say “there were 3 games we could have won”, you know that goes both ways, right? There are 3 games we barely won by 3 points or less. We just as easily could have been a 3 win team.
I don’t have high hopes for next season either. I would like to see the O line improve greatly and get a franchise QB this year or next and I’ll consider that a success. Obviously I’d also like to see overall improvement with the run defense and QB pressures but we still have too many areas of need for this team to be able to consistently hang with the better teams in the league IMO.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 10, 2024 19:07:06 GMT -5
If the changes to our O Line, both coaching and personelle, get them to play at an average level, we may be better then most fear. I'm not banking on it occurring, but I think they'll be hard pressed to play as poorly as last years failure, so I have a smidgen of hope. I am so scarred by 12 years of futility in rebuilding the OL that even the optimist in me needs clear visual proof that things are in fact better there. copious amounts of alcohol really help, lol... |
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 10, 2024 19:20:36 GMT -5
You never know what will spark a team. I'm probably a glass half empty guy here, but I still have hope we can get better year after year going forward. We will see.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 10, 2024 19:41:54 GMT -5
For those who say “there were 3 games we could have won”, you know that goes both ways, right? There are 3 games we barely won by 3 points or less. We just as easily could have been a 3 win team. I don’t have high hopes for next season either. I would like to see the O line improve greatly and get a franchise QB this year or next and I’ll consider that a success. Obviously I’d also like to see overall improvement with the run defense and QB pressures but we still have too many areas of need for this team to be able to consistently hang with the better teams in the league IMO. The difference from 2022 and 2023 is that in 2022 we won those close games and 2023 we lost them. If we had our starting QB maybe things would have been different.
It's not completely unrealistic to think that Daboll can get us back to 9 wins this year.
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Post by idkaname on Apr 12, 2024 11:59:50 GMT -5
If the changes to our O Line, both coaching and personelle, get them to play at an average level, we may be better then most fear. I'm not banking on it occurring, but I think they'll be hard pressed to play as poorly as last years failure, so I have a smidgen of hope. I am so scarred by 12 years of futility in rebuilding the OL that even the optimist in me needs clear visual proof that things are in fact better there. IIRC correctly, Will Beatty was your favorite player right ?  |
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 14, 2024 11:36:38 GMT -5
I wouldnt expect MUCH this season, as long as our young foundation continues to improve and grow, I will be pleased because I know we arent going to look good in the win-loss column
QB- Should ideally be better than last season. I have a good feeling about Drew Lock, he might not be the QB of the future, but IMO he has some untapped potential, and I can see him surpassing DJ as our starter.
RB- We have taken a step back in this area, we went from Saquon to Singletary, clearly we downgraded. I can see us adding someone in the draft, but I doubt they are going to make an impact
TE- Not much changed, but who knows if Waller is going to retire. I feel like Bellinger has some potential to be tapped into, hes not a game changer, but he can be serviceable
WR- We have a good group of young WRs, and I feel like we are 1 guy away from having a dangerous WR group. Now we just need someone to get them the ball... Or we continue with quick dump-offs to Wandale where he can be a YAC threat
OL- We have made strides to correct our glaring need, we have yet to see how that translates to the field. Outside of Thomas, we have 4 question marks. Ill give JMS the benefit of the doubt, since he was a rookie on a terrible OL last season. I like how we went out and got Eluemunor who himself could start at RG or RT, we also got Runyan who looks to be our starting LG. We just have to hope Neal can stay healthy and will finally turn the page. I have a feeling he will progress with a decent partner next to him, and if not, he will be getting moved to Guard before we know it because Eluemunor is a starting caliber RT.
DL- We have Sexy Dexy and he's clearly 1 of the best DTs in the league. Outside of Dex, we have Phillips, who when healthy, could be a starter, but his track record of staying healthy isnt great. Now after those 2 guys, we have nothing but warm bodies. This is 1 of the biggest areas of need come the draft, we havent replaced LW's production and this is 1 of the biggest needs moving forward.
LB- Okekere is a building block, McFadden could be the surprise for us. He flashed moments of promise last season, and having someone like Okekere next to him is a tremendous plus. Sure, we could always use more depth, but its not a pressing need this offeseason with so many holes.
EDGE- Thibs is a young and promising player, now with the addition of Burns, we have 2 young guys who could shape up to be 1 of the more powerful tandems in the league. We also have Ojulari, who unfortunately never really panned out to what we had hoped for, weather its injury or just disappearing into the background, he just never really stepped it up and lived up to the hype of his draft position. That being said, I could see us using a later round pick for some depth that could eventually pan out and contribute
CB- Tae Banks is our future. I really like Flott, but after that im not really impressed. Hawkins and Holmes are nothing special in my eyes, sure Hawkins was a great story in training camp and pre-season, but come regular season, he looked like a 5th round rookie. If he winds up being a contributor, thats awesome, but we shouldnt rely on him being anything more than a depth player. We also have Aaron Robinson, who I had high hopes for, sadly he went from injury to injury, so who knows what he will look like IF he ever plays some downs. Personally, I would have liked to see us sign a Vet CB to help with the growth of our young CBs, but at this point I dont see any moves being made. I can see us taking a CB somewhere in the draft, I wouldnt take 1 in the 1st or 2nd, but maybe find our CB #2 in the 3rd or 4th. We have Jalen Mills, but Im not sure if he will play CB and Flott will be the slot guy, maybe Flott will be the #2 and Mills will be safety, I have no idea
S- With Xman moving on, we have ANOTHER glaring hole on defense. Sure, we have Pinnock and Belton who are 2 quality strong safeties, but we have a tremendous gap at free safety. I would put this as a top 3 need for our team. I dont really know what we have in Jalen Mills, or where he will be best suited is he a safety or is he a CB, maybe a slot CB? Im not sure. Ideally he could be our FS if he isnt our #2 Cb. I could see us taking a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round if we dont see Mills as our starting FS. With Kinchens, Nubin, Bullard and Bullock out there we have a few good options who could step in day 1 and start for us at FS
All this being said, IMO our biggest needs in order are;
-QB
-WR
-DT
-Safety
-CB
-RB
-TE
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Post by imgrate on Apr 14, 2024 11:41:14 GMT -5
Been saying since last offseason - we’re not very well set up to improve the team. DJ’s contract ensured status quo or worse, unless he somehow morphed into a top 3 QB.
The only pathway to significantly improve was to hit home runs on alot of draft picks - right out of the gate, which is just unrealistic to expect.
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Post by Speedman on Apr 14, 2024 12:04:38 GMT -5
I think that the Giants are going to be better this season than most people feel. They could have easily been a nine win team last year. The OL was a mess in the beginning of the year with the injuries. If they can stay healthy this year I believe they will be improved.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 14, 2024 13:28:33 GMT -5
He doesn’t get drunk.. Drunk gets him. I heard this line years ago " Alcohol " , " The cause and the solution to all my problems ". I heard the Homer Simpson character say that years ago. Except he said "our" instead of "my". |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 14, 2024 13:29:14 GMT -5
We'll know better in 2 weeks after the draft but I was looking at the teams after FA and expected 1st rd picks and 2024 looks like a long road back for Big Blue. To me I think the Giants and Carolina are the 2 worse teams in the NFC. N.E. to me easily is the worse team in the AFC. No matter who our 1st rd pick is it should only be nominal help. A QB with our 1st rd pick in the draft may not even start and if he does would anyone expect any success this season ? But he will be the man in 2025. As it stands now to me Jones and Luck are 2 backup QB's with flaws and no consistent success. A WR should help from opening day but who are we relying on to get him the ball enough ? I think a WR will improve our offense this season with an upgraded OL but I don't see any WR coming on the scene and immediately lead us to really scoring any more points than last year with inferior starting QB play once again. What do we see 5-6 wins again ? Now I do think this could be the foundation for the 2025 season. If we finish in the bottom 3 teams and have one of the first picks in the draft again next year maybe we could hopefully trade back for a boat load of top picks. But there aren't suppose to be any QB's at the top few picks of the draft for the 2025 season. But in 2025 even if we pick somewhere in the top 10 which seems pretty much like a sure bet we should pick up 2 starters with out first 2 picks like we will do this year. And we should be better with cap space in FA. So this year is still a year of rebuilding and next year 2025 is finally the year to compete. Hell maybe Dak will be a FA in'25 and we can shoot for him at 50-60 mil a year. lol they suck until they dont |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 14, 2024 17:51:33 GMT -5
I heard this line years ago " Alcohol " , " The cause and the solution to all my problems ". I heard the Homer Simpson character say that years ago. Except he said "our" instead of "my". That's right, That's where it originally came from. Oh well I almost got it right. |
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