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Post by nyg2 on Apr 16, 2024 14:12:53 GMT -5
He says the following: "It is really unusual because most of us won't ever get a second chance like that. You know when you make a decision like that — drafting a quarterback high or signing one to a huge deal — it's either going to get you a new contract someday or it'll get you fired. It's the biggest decision you can make, and most places don't let you make it twice." I'm guessing he's a current NFL GM that was granted anonymity in exchange for weighing in on Giants personnel situation and his thoughts on Joe Schoen performance so far, because in the article they interviewed another GM and they specified in his case that he was a former GM. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 16, 2024 14:34:32 GMT -5
this is year 3 for him. Letting him go that quickly would be the crime, not giving him a "2nd" chance. Sheesh!!!
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Post by TEM on Apr 16, 2024 14:41:15 GMT -5
There are a few GMs on their 2nd QB. It is not as unusual as the Click bait proclaims. What is unusual is that the Other "unnamed GM" does not know that fact. Oh, wait no it isn't. The unnamed are always clueless.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 16, 2024 14:45:01 GMT -5
He's had two seasons, were they supposed to fire him because Jones was injured?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 16, 2024 15:10:56 GMT -5
He says the following: "It is really unusual because most of us won't ever get a second chance like that. You know when you make a decision like that — drafting a quarterback high or signing one to a huge deal — it's either going to get you a new contract someday or it'll get you fired. It's the biggest decision you can make, and most places don't let you make it twice." I'm guessing he's a current NFL GM that was granted anonymity in exchange for weighing in on Giants personnel situation and his thoughts on Joe Schoen performance so far, because in the article they interviewed another GM and they specified in his case that he was a former GM. dumb lol this isn't a 2nd chance lmao......... |
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Post by Merlin on Apr 16, 2024 15:25:41 GMT -5
He's had two seasons, were they supposed to fire him because Jones was injured? Its wild The Giants made the playoffs and won a playoff game the year prior with the coach Schoen hired winning COY. A lousy season the year after which Jones only played 6 games and Schoen should be fired? This take is more expected from a media talking head. Surprised its coming from another GM. |
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 16, 2024 15:48:06 GMT -5
I get what the GM is saying.
It would be unusual to invest a lot in another QB after you just locked one up with a 160 million dollar contract the year before.
If I'm the owner, I'm letting my employees know... GM and front office included...that they aren't playing with Monopoly money.
Drafting a QB a year after you sign one to 160 million dollars would be embarrassing to the front office.
People want to say Mara is meddling but as the GM in the article says this probably applies to all teams.
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 16, 2024 16:04:45 GMT -5
What an idiotic take.
Name all the NFL GMs fired after 2 years and the number of wins and playoff wins they had.
Someone from this board must be the “GM” quoted in the story.
I have my top 3 guesses.
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Post by hadenough on Apr 16, 2024 16:25:26 GMT -5
Either way…this is his last chance. He misses, he’s fired. He hits, it may be their QB for a while.
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Post by ocgiant on Apr 16, 2024 16:56:52 GMT -5
How many changes do you make then? Never one for change for the sake of change and it was pretty much a revolving door here Coaches & GM that needed to go.
Schoen has got this season and next to get this team back to where it needs to be. Bringing in another GM at this point would not speed up the rebuild process either.
Hate having to wait and another two seasons but it is what is at this point.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 16, 2024 17:08:27 GMT -5
I get what the GM is saying. It would be unusual to invest a lot in another QB after you just locked one up with a 160 million dollar contract the year before. If I'm the owner, I'm letting my employees know... GM and front office included...that they aren't playing with Monopoly money. Drafting a QB a year after you sign one to 160 million dollars would be embarrassing to the front office. People want to say Mara is meddling but as the GM in the article says this probably applies to all teams. This GM is not considering that Jones is coming off a season where he sustained a neck and ACL injury. And had a previous neck injury. They also have a high pick in a QB rich draft. It would be irresponsible not to do their diligence here. And contrary to opinion here, Jones does not have an outrageous untouchable contact. |
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Post by te88 on Apr 16, 2024 18:21:56 GMT -5
Dave Gettleman was an NFL GM. Twice.
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Post by Nite on Apr 16, 2024 18:28:44 GMT -5
Dave Gettleman was an NFL GM. Twice. Hmmm.. Unnamed (former) GM??? |
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Post by mendy on Apr 16, 2024 18:56:25 GMT -5
There is a few GMs on their 2nd QB. It is not as unusual as the Click bait proclaims. What is unusual is that the Other "unnamed GM" does not know that fact. Oh, wait no it isn't. The unnamed are always clueless. Can I add the Schoen was not the GM so technically it's not his second chance. |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 16, 2024 18:59:23 GMT -5
except all the important people were on board. Wasn't like he signed Jones against the will of those that matter.
The GM who made the comment is clueless.
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Post by TEM on Apr 16, 2024 19:00:05 GMT -5
There is a few GMs on their 2nd QB. It is not as unusual as the Click bait proclaims. What is unusual is that the Other "unnamed GM" does not know that fact. Oh, wait no it isn't. The unnamed are always clueless. Can I add the Schoen was not the GM so technically it's not his second chance. It is a gray area. He did not draft Jones, but he extended his contract. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 16, 2024 19:01:04 GMT -5
except all the important people were on board. Wasn't like he signed Jones against the will of those that matter. The GM who made the comment is clueless. "Alleged GM" |
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 16, 2024 20:21:50 GMT -5
Fortunately the Giants have one of the most tolerant hands off ownership in football so they are allowed to grow together
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Post by DonnieYen on Apr 16, 2024 20:40:41 GMT -5
this is year 3 for him. Letting him go that quickly would be the crime, not giving him a "2nd" chance. Sheesh!!! I agree! |
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Post by DonnieYen on Apr 16, 2024 20:49:37 GMT -5
I get what the GM is saying. It would be unusual to invest a lot in another QB after you just locked one up with a 160 million dollar contract the year before. If I'm the owner, I'm letting my employees know... GM and front office included...that they aren't playing with Monopoly money. Drafting a QB a year after you sign one to 160 million dollars would be embarrassing to the front office. People want to say Mara is meddling but as the GM in the article says this probably applies to all teams. but there is a clause in his contract if he is on the roster Jones in the third year of the contract that he is owed a lot of money so unless Jones guides us to a super bowl win then he will be cut after the year that's why Giants want to draft a top QB and why Lock was signed to a multi year contract! |
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Post by Modog on Apr 16, 2024 21:07:57 GMT -5
Has a GM given a bad at best a backup level QB 90m guaranteed and survived? I can't think of one.
In comparison the following bad QBs got:
Brock Oswieler got 37m guaranteed
Blake Bortles got 26m guaranteed
DJs deal truly stands alone
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Post by Analyst on Apr 16, 2024 21:12:52 GMT -5
It was a bad decision, but if they bounce back this year, we can go on throwing roses at his feet.
Dabs will be first to go if this year is another 4-5-6 win season.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 16, 2024 21:33:12 GMT -5
How many changes do you make then? Never one for change for the sake of change and it was pretty much a revolving door here Coaches & GM that needed to go. Schoen has got this season and next to get this team back to where it needs to be. Bringing in another GM at this point would not speed up the rebuild process either. Hate having to wait and another two seasons but it is what is at this point. I can't get on board with this train of thought. 2 hypotheticals.... 1. The same GM that gave a bad QB $160 million, is the same GM that picks the next QB, who ends up being a bust. 2. A new GM picks the next Mahomes/Burrow/Allen. Which one would "speed up the rebuild process?" It's damn sure not #1! Didn't we learn from Gettleman? A bad GM, given more time, just digs a deeper hole. We're Giants fans though...so you have to believe everyone is "The Man For The Job!", watch them fail, then tell everyone how you knew they sucked all along. Where are all the Gettleman defenders now? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 16, 2024 21:45:12 GMT -5
He says the following: "It is really unusual because most of us won't ever get a second chance like that. You know when you make a decision like that — drafting a quarterback high or signing one to a huge deal — it's either going to get you a new contract someday or it'll get you fired. It's the biggest decision you can make, and most places don't let you make it twice." 1. He never never drafted Jones 2. He didn’t go shopping on the open market for a QB Jones was in the unique position to get drafted, had multiple coaches, on his 2nd GM and the entire organization has been upside down. They declined his 5th yr option and it didn’t appear to make much sense to go shopping for QBs who didn’t seem to workout elsewhere. Jones questionable health is in question as much as his ability now. This draft, could quickly be it for this bunch. Go QB and miss they’re dead and pass on a QB and stick with Jones who isn’t good or healthy they might be dead. |
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Post by Martin on Apr 16, 2024 21:46:52 GMT -5
I get what the GM is saying. It would be unusual to invest a lot in another QB after you just locked one up with a 160 million dollar contract the year before. If I'm the owner, I'm letting my employees know... GM and front office included...that they aren't playing with Monopoly money. Drafting a QB a year after you sign one to 160 million dollars would be embarrassing to the front office. People want to say Mara is meddling but as the GM in the article says this probably applies to all teams. but there is a clause in his contract if he is on the roster Jones in the third year of the contract that he is owed a lot of money so unless Jones guides us to a super bowl win then he will be cut after the year that's why Giants want to draft a top QB and why Lock was signed to a multi year contract! I thought it was a 1 yr deal for Lock. I could be wrong though. |
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Post by Martin on Apr 16, 2024 21:51:20 GMT -5
He says the following: "It is really unusual because most of us won't ever get a second chance like that. You know when you make a decision like that — drafting a quarterback high or signing one to a huge deal — it's either going to get you a new contract someday or it'll get you fired. It's the biggest decision you can make, and most places don't let you make it twice." 1. He never never drafted Jones 2. He didn’t go shopping on the open market for a QB Jones was in the unique position to get drafted, had multiple coaches, on his 2nd GM and the entire organization has been upside down. They declined his 5th yr option and it didn’t appear to make much sense to go shopping for QBs who didn’t seem to workout elsewhere. Jones questionable health is in question as much as his ability now. This draft, could quickly be it for this bunch. Go QB and miss their dead and pass on a QB and stick with Jones who isn’t good or healthy they might be dead. Yes he never signed him he only extended him with a 2 yr exit plan just in case. But yeah this group is between a rock and a hard place. Also their best weapon is now on the Eagles. Having Barkley potentially run all over us pours salt on the wound. Go Rangers!!! |
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Post by ocgiant on Apr 17, 2024 3:34:18 GMT -5
How many changes do you make then? Never one for change for the sake of change and it was pretty much a revolving door here Coaches & GM that needed to go. Schoen has got this season and next to get this team back to where it needs to be. Bringing in another GM at this point would not speed up the rebuild process either. Hate having to wait and another two seasons but it is what is at this point. I can't get on board with this train of thought. 2 hypotheticals.... 1. The same GM that gave a bad QB $160 million, is the same GM that picks the next QB, who ends up being a bust. 2. A new GM picks the next Mahomes/Burrow/Allen. Which one would "speed up the rebuild process?" It's damn sure not #1! Didn't we learn from Gettleman? A bad GM, given more time, just digs a deeper hole. We're Giants fans though...so you have to believe everyone is "The Man For The Job!", watch them fail, then tell everyone how you knew they sucked all along. Where are all the Gettleman defenders now? Who and when are you bringing in a new GM with the draft a few weeks away? Gettleman certainly did not help the Giants and left a mess that needed to be cleaned up. Can’t say Schoen is bad GM at this point, so I believe he gets 2 years to get the Giants back on the right track |
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Post by te88 on Apr 17, 2024 5:35:15 GMT -5
except all the important people were on board. Wasn't like he signed Jones against the will of those that matter. The GM who made the comment is clueless. Exactly. And based on what we know and have heard from “those that matter” they very much believed/believe in Jones and wanted him signed. John Mara can’t fire Joe Schoen for giving Jones the contract HE wanted to give him. |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 17, 2024 6:04:36 GMT -5
Birds eye view, the guy has a playoff season, and a non-playoff season...should never get fired for that.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 17, 2024 6:24:04 GMT -5
Has a GM given a bad at best a backup level QB 90m guaranteed and survived? I can't think of one. In comparison the following bad QBs got: Brock Oswieler got 37m guaranteed Blake Bortles got 26m guaranteed DJs deal truly stands alone d sadly it's what the so called market is to where one fool gets paid now everyone after him gets around the same or more. crazy backasswards world we live in where folks who entertain are golden smmfh............. |
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