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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 18, 2024 11:58:42 GMT -5
Isiah Hodgkins can more than handle the additional reps
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 18, 2024 11:59:01 GMT -5
If they go WR in the 1st round then Slayton will be on the bench more than on the field and since he's immune to playing special teams that is a problem at a $8 million cap hit. I don't see that as a problem because that means Hyatt is doing well and can easily slide in when Slayton is gone next year.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 18, 2024 12:54:34 GMT -5
If they go WR in the 1st round then Slayton will be on the bench more than on the field and since he's immune to playing special teams that is a problem at a $8 million cap hit. I wouldn't count on that. Even someone like Nabers will have their rookie struggles. Slayton is the only capable outside WR on the roster. You'll still need that guy, even with a true #1 on the roster. Hyatt seemed far from being a reliable player in that role. Hodgins was a wash. Robinson is the slot, there is still a very clear need for a second outside WR.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 18, 2024 13:30:34 GMT -5
If they go WR in the 1st round then Slayton will be on the bench more than on the field and since he's immune to playing special teams that is a problem at a $8 million cap hit. I don't see that as a problem because that means Hyatt is doing well and can easily slide in when Slayton is gone next year. I see $8 million setting on the bench as a problem.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 18, 2024 13:32:56 GMT -5
Isiah Hodgkins can more than handle the additional reps That's the way I feel. Hodgins was the better receiver by the end of 22 but something with the offense changed in 23.
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 18, 2024 13:40:36 GMT -5
I don't see that as a problem because that means Hyatt is doing well and can easily slide in when Slayton is gone next year. I see $8 million setting on the bench as a problem. But your ok drafting Alt which would likely put $7-10M on the bench?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 18, 2024 21:53:31 GMT -5
Imagine what your take would be about Schoen is he drafted Hyatt in the 1st round? I'd expect him to play like 1st round pick...not listen to a million excuses about why he's not. I just want to see the roster and play on the field improving every year. Going into year 3, I don't see it...but keep hearing excuses. When does Schoen actually have to do his job? Thank god he did his job by not listening to you about Hyatt. I'd be perfectly happy with Addison/JSN/Hyatt in the 1st
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 19, 2024 1:56:26 GMT -5
I'd expect him to play like 1st round pick...not listen to a million excuses about why he's not. I just want to see the roster and play on the field improving every year. Going into year 3, I don't see it...but keep hearing excuses. When does Schoen actually have to do his job? Thank god he did his job by not listening to you about Hyatt. I'd be perfectly happy with Addison/JSN/Hyatt in the 1st You crack me up... you're always searching for that "Gotcha !" post. Ha! Without context, that quote means nothing. With that said, I'd take Addison over Banks in a second. Dude was stud until Cousins got hurt, and played like a #1 WR when Jefferson was hurt. I've also always liked the Hyatt pick, but will say I'm disappointed that his route running is so limited...which is probably why he slid so far in the draft.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 19, 2024 2:02:35 GMT -5
I'd expect him to play like 1st round pick...not listen to a million excuses about why he's not. I just want to see the roster and play on the field improving every year. Going into year 3, I don't see it...but keep hearing excuses. When does Schoen actually have to do his job? He is performing his draft slot by miles he is a legit 2 and high end 3 he has done every thing asked of him and more this offense need to have what they have left and more talented added to the WR room, they don't need to subtract then add a top end rookie who will have growing pains. How good can a "high end 3" be with a QB that throws for 200 yards a game? Slayton has averaged 44 yards per game and a TD every 4 games, as a #1...those numbes drop off the table as a 3. Sorry, but this team needs more talent than Slayton as a big part of the offense. Would you pay him $10 million a year?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 19, 2024 4:49:04 GMT -5
He is performing his draft slot by miles he is a legit 2 and high end 3 he has done every thing asked of him and more this offense need to have what they have left and more talented added to the WR room, they don't need to subtract then add a top end rookie who will have growing pains. How good can a "high end 3" be with a QB that throws for 200 yards a game? Slayton has averaged 44 yards per game and a TD every 4 games, as a #1...those numbes drop off the table as a 3. Sorry, but this team needs more talent than Slayton as a big part of the offense. Would you pay him $10 million a year? Guys with the same are less production are getting more then 10 to answer your question I don't want to but the pay rate has been set he will be the 2 this year in that capacity yes and that would be cheap for a 2 He has value because if your 1 goes down for a few games he can fill that role for the team think it's a mistake they have rearranged there distribution of money to premium positions lost a lot of offense when SQB left they are in no position to lose more production and a versatile piece at that.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 19, 2024 6:13:50 GMT -5
I see $8 million setting on the bench as a problem. But your ok drafting Alt which would likely put $7-10M on the bench? Good one! Neal is a bust and I didn't know his cap this year was $8 million or are you making this up?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 19, 2024 9:43:09 GMT -5
Thank god he did his job by not listening to you about Hyatt. You crack me up... you're always searching for that "Gotcha !" post. Ha! Without context, that quote means nothing. With that said, I'd take Addison over Banks in a second. Dude was stud until Cousins got hurt, and played like a #1 WR when Jefferson was hurt. I've also always liked the Hyatt pick, but will say I'm disappointed that his route running is so limited...which is probably why he slid so far in the draft. You would have been fine with Schoen taking Hyatt in the 1st round. One year later you’re ripping Schoen because Hyatt, a 3rd rounder, isn’t producing. Point is: maybe your hard stance opinions right now will be a lot less valuable a year from now.
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 19, 2024 9:50:04 GMT -5
But your ok drafting Alt which would likely put $7-10M on the bench? Good one! Neal is a bust and I didn't know his cap this year was $8 million or are you making this up? Neal is at $6.7 and Runyan is at $6.5, I was guessing. If the Giants draft a QB in the first round then there is a decent chance $47M will be on the bench. At least Slayton is decent depth, Neal and Jones would be dead weight.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 19, 2024 10:16:30 GMT -5
Good one! Neal is a bust and I didn't know his cap this year was $8 million or are you making this up? Neal is at $6.7 and Runyan is at $6.5, I was guessing. If the Giants draft a QB in the first round then there is a decent chance $47M will be on the bench. At least Slayton is decent depth, Neal and Jones would be dead weight. The Jones cap hit is so bad. The Neal selection at this time is a bad one. Having Slayton ride the bench would be bad also but not as epic as Galloday was.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 19, 2024 15:26:42 GMT -5
You crack me up... you're always searching for that "Gotcha !" post. Ha! Without context, that quote means nothing. With that said, I'd take Addison over Banks in a second. Dude was stud until Cousins got hurt, and played like a #1 WR when Jefferson was hurt. I've also always liked the Hyatt pick, but will say I'm disappointed that his route running is so limited...which is probably why he slid so far in the draft. You would have been fine with Schoen taking Hyatt in the 1st round. One year later you’re ripping Schoen because Hyatt, a 3rd rounder, isn’t producing. Point is: maybe your hard stance opinions right now will be a lot less valuable a year from now. WTF! I'm not an NFL GM? I get the benefit of hindsight to grade Schoen (and picks)...and he hasn't been good. I'm not seeing your point here...you're one of the most opinionated people on this board, are you saying you've never had an opinion about draft picks? Yes, I have opinions, but I'm not getting paid millions to run an NFL franchise. Of course my opinions might be shit this time next year...that goes for everyone on here. That's the fun...the arguing and seeing who is right. I think JJ McCarthy will be a bust as a top 10 pick...write that down! I think Saquon is going to put up big numbers until he gets hurt...write that down! This how it works...pay attention. Joe Schoen is an NFL GM, I'm not. When Schoen drafts a player in any round, makes a trade, or signs a FA, that player needs to play up to that selection/contract. When that doesn't happen, as much as it's happened in Schoen's short career, including a historically bad contract, he will take shit, and if it continues, he will be fired. That's not my opinion...that's a fact. Yes, it's my opinion that Schoen has done a very poor job through 2 years...but I can back that up with multiple facts/examples. I'm not backing up my opinion with hope he's "learned lessons" or blaming Gettleman (which is lazy, because most of, of not all of, the current problems are on Schoen). Lastly, I'm a fan of the Hyatt pick. I don't remember giving Schoen shit about the pick (maybe other than being part of a total picture). I do remember arguing the point, with those who act like he's already good, that he needs to be better, along with Robinson, and 300+ yards and 1 TD isn't impressive and doesn't point to a future star...yet. Like Schoen, he has to do the job to get the credit. Too many on here live in a world of excuses...that's not how professional sports work. You do your job or you lose your job...and it happens quickly...unless you're Daniel Jones.
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Apr 19, 2024 15:32:47 GMT -5
Post by McCherry on Apr 19, 2024 15:32:47 GMT -5
Good one! Neal is a bust and I didn't know his cap this year was $8 million or are you making this up? Neal is at $6.7 and Runyan is at $6.5, I was guessing. If the Giants draft a QB in the first round then there is a decent chance $47M will be on the bench. At least Slayton is decent depth, Neal and Jones would be dead weight. The real is question is, why are they talking about giving Neal another shot at RT if they're planning to draft Alt?
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Apr 19, 2024 15:36:01 GMT -5
Post by Roosevelt on Apr 19, 2024 15:36:01 GMT -5
I'm not in such a hurry to get rid of Slayton. He's shown as much as any WR on the team. He's probably the most reliable WR we've had the last few years. We need a #1 WR desperately and then the rest of these guys hopefully show improvement. Hyatt and Wandale are more hope with their potential than anything else at this point. I'm not positive about anything on this offense until I see it work. We better get major help on the offense with at least 1 of the top 2 picks in the draft.
He's a pretty good receiver but he can also kill our momentum at any moment. That's just who he is.
He's a guy who needs a bonus laden contract which also includes deductions for his drops.
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Apr 19, 2024 15:54:09 GMT -5
Post by southerner on Apr 19, 2024 15:54:09 GMT -5
If the Giants pick a WR in the first round, Slayton is probably gone.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 19, 2024 16:58:15 GMT -5
I'm not in such a hurry to get rid of Slayton. He's shown as much as any WR on the team. He's probably the most reliable WR we've had the last few years. We need a #1 WR desperately and then the rest of these guys hopefully show improvement. Hyatt and Wandale are more hope with their potential than anything else at this point. I'm not positive about anything on this offense until I see it work. We better get major help on the offense with at least 1 of the top 2 picks in the draft.
He's a pretty good receiver but he can also kill our momentum at any moment. That's just who he is.
He's a guy who needs a bonus laden contract which also includes deductions for his drops. I think he had two drops last season.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 19, 2024 17:55:55 GMT -5
He's a pretty good receiver but he can also kill our momentum at any moment. That's just who he is.
He's a guy who needs a bonus laden contract which also includes deductions for his drops. I think he had two drops last season.
Yeah? Whenever I see one of our receivers dropping the ball it seems like 86 in on the jersey.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 19, 2024 18:08:26 GMT -5
I think he had two drops last season.
Yeah? Whenever I see one of our receivers dropping the ball it seems like 86 in on the jersey.
He's had drops through his career, but not last year.
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Post by TEM on Apr 19, 2024 18:32:21 GMT -5
Yeah? Whenever I see one of our receivers dropping the ball it seems like 86 in on the jersey.
He's had drops through his career, but not last year. He had in 2023 79 Targets, 50 receptions 63.3%, 3 drops 3.8%
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Post by Modog on Apr 19, 2024 18:38:51 GMT -5
I would add, Had to play with Dan Jones as his QB, and never once complained. In fact he actually stood up for him a couple times. Slayton been a class act. Still at best a #2, but he's a class act for sure
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Apr 19, 2024 18:57:31 GMT -5
Post by McCherry on Apr 19, 2024 18:57:31 GMT -5
He's had drops through his career, but not last year. He had in 2023 79 Targets, 50 receptions 63.3%, 3 drops 3.8% Just to point out. In contrast, Barkley had 5 last year in 60 targets and 17 total drops over the past 3 years at a much higher rate.
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Post by TEM on Apr 20, 2024 0:15:15 GMT -5
He had in 2023 79 Targets, 50 receptions 63.3%, 3 drops 3.8% Just to point out. In contrast, Barkley had 5 last year in 60 targets and 17 total drops over the past 3 years at a much higher rate. When you look at a guy like Tyreek Hill (all-pro season) He had 12 drops for 7% of his attempts. When Slayton is compared to the rest of the league in drop % for 2023 with at least 79 attempts. (the league average is 5) He was in the top 20% of the league.
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Apr 20, 2024 0:20:26 GMT -5
Post by TEM on Apr 20, 2024 0:20:26 GMT -5
I would add, Had to play with Dan Jones as his QB, and never once complained. In fact he actually stood up for him a couple times. Slayton been a class act. Still at best a #2, but he's a class act for sure Dude, you have Jones on the brain. Your song is getting old. It is like Stairway to Heven. Over played, and the Lyrics are just a bunch of words that have no discernable meaning.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 20, 2024 0:57:39 GMT -5
I would add, Had to play with Dan Jones as his QB, and never once complained. In fact he actually stood up for him a couple times. Slayton been a class act. Still at best a #2, but he's a class act for sure Dude, you have Jones on the brain. Your song is getting old. It is like Stairway to Heven. Over played, and the Lyrics are just a bunch of words that have no discernable meaning. But what percentage of his song is getting old?
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Post by TEM on Apr 20, 2024 1:06:53 GMT -5
Dude, you have Jones on the brain. Your song is getting old. It is like Stairway to Heven. Over played, and the Lyrics are just a bunch of words that have no discernable meaning. But what percentage of his song is getting old 100% . I am not surprised you chime in. Let me ask you this. If the QB has an overall completion of 67% (Jones in 2022) One of his receivers has a reception of 63% (Slayton in 2022) 11th in catch % on the team, ( his best season) he was driving down Jomes' completion % Ricky James had 81% , Hodgins 75% Where is Maddog correct in his statement? In his entire career Slayton's reception percentage has been lower than Jones completion percentage. The stats show other guys are catching the ball at a higher percentage rate than he was. So exactly how is that on the QB? It was the same song with him about Eli on the old board. Slayton will never be a great WR. What he is. He is reliable and can stay on the field. Nothing more.
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Apr 20, 2024 2:39:04 GMT -5
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 20, 2024 2:39:04 GMT -5
But what percentage of his song is getting old 100% . I am not surprised you chime in. Let me ask you this. If the QB has an overall completion of 67% (Jones in 2022) One of his receivers has a reception of 63% (Slayton in 2022) 11th in catch % on the team, ( his best season) he was driving down Jomes' completion % Ricky James had 81% , Hodgins 75% Where is Maddog correct in his statement? In his entire career Slayton's reception percentage has been lower than Jones completion percentage. The stats show other guys are catching the ball at a higher percentage rate than he was. So exactly how is that on the QB? It was the same song with him about Eli on the old board. Slayton will never be a great WR. What he is. He is reliable and can stay on the field. Nothing more. Just a stats joke...nothing more. Everyone has an opinion...silly to let them bother you. I don't get the hand wringing and need to defend 90% of this roster. It's one of the worst in the NFL...just get better players. I like Slayton at $800K...not at $10 million. I like DJ on another roster. Neither will be a Giant when this team is truly competitive again.
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Post by TEM on Apr 20, 2024 7:19:56 GMT -5
100% . I am not surprised you chime in. Let me ask you this. If the QB has an overall completion of 67% (Jones in 2022) One of his receivers has a reception of 63% (Slayton in 2022) 11th in catch % on the team, ( his best season) he was driving down Jomes' completion % Ricky James had 81% , Hodgins 75% Where is Maddog correct in his statement? In his entire career Slayton's reception percentage has been lower than Jones completion percentage. The stats show other guys are catching the ball at a higher percentage rate than he was. So exactly how is that on the QB? It was the same song with him about Eli on the old board. Slayton will never be a great WR. What he is. He is reliable and can stay on the field. Nothing more. Just a stats joke...nothing more. Everyone has an opinion...silly to let them bother you. I don't get the hand wringing and need to defend 90% of this roster. It's one of the worst in the NFL...just get better players. I like Slayton at $800K...not at $10 million. I like DJ on another roster. Neither will be a Giant when this team is truly competitive again. Just stats joke . Pick a QB an WR combo. And I will show the correlation. In fact, just pick a team. Any NFL team. I will show the entire WR QB coalition. Ya know Stats joke, that way you can show how it is a stats joke.
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