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Post by nyg2 on Apr 24, 2024 8:57:32 GMT -5
Just found it really interesting that the position that was least likely to sign a second contract with the team that drafted them was WR.
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Post by Jomo on Apr 24, 2024 9:14:58 GMT -5
Stats can misleading. There is a high diva factor among WR. I suspect that plus injuries has some impact there.
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Post by idkaname on Apr 24, 2024 9:15:58 GMT -5
First off, it's the second highest total. and only 3-4 of those totals are even close
Second, talented WRs are more abundant
Third, bouncing off the second point, many of these WRs are making QB money, so you're better off trading them or picking up a new one relatively cheap
Lastly, it's more of a luxury position, it's no surprise the more valued positions OL/DL/QB stick around longer as they're tougher to find and take longer to develop
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Post by GameTime on Apr 24, 2024 9:20:51 GMT -5
because you can just get another one. Lots of WRs out every draft.
Unless you have a top 5 #1 WR on your roster you move on.
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Post by jimmieray on Apr 24, 2024 9:21:03 GMT -5
First off, it's the second highest total. and only 3-4 of those totals are even close Second, talented WRs are more abundant Third, bouncing off the second point, many of these WRs are making QB money, so you're better off trading them or picking up a new one relatively cheap Lastly, it's more of a luxury position, it's no surprise the more valued positions OL/DL/QB stick around longer as they're tougher to find and take longer to develop You and Jomo have this one pretty wrapped up. |
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 24, 2024 9:29:31 GMT -5
AJ Brown and Saquon Barkley are "misses" and Daniel Jones is a "hit" according to that calculation.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 24, 2024 9:35:48 GMT -5
Just found it really interesting that the position that was least likely to sign a second contract with the team that drafted them was WR. Lazy Adam Schefter is basing these stats on 2nd contracts. So HBs are naturally going to drop while wide receivers want to get paid too much. so imo, a WR McConkey in this draft is projected going in Round 2 yet he’s likely not going to be resigned b/c he’s not exactly elite yet he’s going to get more from somebody. Hence, don’t touch him Lazy Adam Schefter |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 24, 2024 9:46:21 GMT -5
AJ Brown and Saquon Barkley are "misses" and Daniel Jones is a "hit" according to that calculation. This is almost perfect except that AJ Brown was selected in the 2nd round. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 24, 2024 10:03:21 GMT -5
because you can just get another one. Lots of WRs out every draft. Unless you have a top 5 #1 WR on your roster you move on. Except for the Giants....So far we have had bad luck with dime a dozen rbs and wrs. It never seems to work out for us with so many good wrs coming out. You think we would have hit on something by now. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 24, 2024 10:16:56 GMT -5
because you can just get another one. Lots of WRs out every draft. Unless you have a top 5 #1 WR on your roster you move on. Except for the Giants....So far we have had bad luck with dime a dozen rbs and wrs. It never seems to work out for us with so many good wrs coming out. You think we would have hit on something by now. Couldn't it be that Robinson hasn't reached his potential due to the poor QB play? Other than him who's a WR they selected early that hasn't "worked out"? |
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Post by nyg2 on Apr 24, 2024 10:21:09 GMT -5
AJ Brown and Saquon Barkley are "misses" and Daniel Jones is a "hit" according to that calculation. So you admit that Daniel Jones was a “miss”.  |
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 24, 2024 10:22:13 GMT -5
Except for the Giants....So far we have had bad luck with dime a dozen rbs and wrs. It never seems to work out for us with so many good wrs coming out. You think we would have hit on something by now. Couldn't it be that Robinson hasn't reached his potential due to the poor QB play? Other than him who's a WR they selected early that hasn't "worked out"? Robinson hasn't reached his potential because he can't stay consistently healthy. |
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Post by Analyst on Apr 24, 2024 10:49:32 GMT -5
You are defining "hit" as signing a 2nd contract?
Thats not really a fair way to look at it. Many WRs hit and move on to other teams due to money.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 24, 2024 10:50:25 GMT -5
Couldn't it be that Robinson hasn't reached his potential due to the poor QB play? Other than him who's a WR they selected early that hasn't "worked out"? Robinson hasn't reached his potential because he can't stay consistently healthy. Did he get injured last season? |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 24, 2024 11:27:00 GMT -5
You are defining "hit" as signing a 2nd contract? Thats not really a fair way to look at it. Many WRs hit and move on to other teams due to money. 1 million percent. In fact, I'd argue the complete opposite of this premise, the hit rate is so good on WRs, many teams feel like they can replace them and not have to pay a long-term gigantic contract. Though there are still plenty of teams that choose to do that. It's a fascinating position, super important, but always chalk full with talent, and really there are multiple strategies to be successful with the position. Sadly, the Giants have not figured that out. |
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 24, 2024 11:37:13 GMT -5
Just found it really interesting that the position that was least likely to sign a second contract with the team that drafted them was WR. Lazy Adam Schefter is basing these stats on 2nd contracts. So HBs are naturally going to drop while wide receivers want to get paid too much. so imo, a WR McConkey in this draft is projected going in Round 2 yet he’s likely not going to be resigned b/c he’s not exactly elite yet he’s going to get more from somebody. Hence, don’t touch him Lazy Adam Schefter Paul hembo is the lazy one Adam is just reporting |
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 24, 2024 12:32:43 GMT -5
Robinson hasn't reached his potential because he can't stay consistently healthy. Did he get injured last season? It took him a few weeks to get going due to the ACL recovery. He played in 15 games and had 8 starts so let's hope that carries over to this year. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 24, 2024 12:48:13 GMT -5
Except for the Giants....So far we have had bad luck with dime a dozen rbs and wrs. It never seems to work out for us with so many good wrs coming out. You think we would have hit on something by now. Couldn't it be that Robinson hasn't reached his potential due to the poor QB play? Other than him who's a WR they selected early that hasn't "worked out"? It was more of statement regarding there are so many good wrs coming out no one needs to sign them to second contract. Why can't we find one of these yet in free agency or draft. Obviously there are not that many WRs that are that good. To me teams are just getting better at finding WRs that fit thier system or scheme. I do believe QB play comes into play also. Let's see if our FO can figure it out. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 24, 2024 13:02:47 GMT -5
Did he get injured last season? It took him a few weeks to get going due to the ACL recovery. He played in 15 games and had 8 starts so let's hope that carries over to this year. So he was injured once which might have slowed his development in year one but last season was all about bad QB play. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 24, 2024 13:05:18 GMT -5
Couldn't it be that Robinson hasn't reached his potential due to the poor QB play? Other than him who's a WR they selected early that hasn't "worked out"? It was more of statement regarding there are so many good wrs coming out no one needs to sign them to second contract. Why can't we find one of these yet in free agency or draft. Obviously there are not that many WRs that are that good. To me teams are just getting better at finding WRs that fit thier system or scheme. I do believe QB play comes into play also. Let's see if our FO can figure it out. I feel they did find one in the 2nd round and hopefully another one in the 3rd. Tough to tell if either is good enough to meet your requirements with the bad QB play the Giants have put on tape. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 24, 2024 14:21:32 GMT -5
It was more of statement regarding there are so many good wrs coming out no one needs to sign them to second contract. Why can't we find one of these yet in free agency or draft. Obviously there are not that many WRs that are that good. To me teams are just getting better at finding WRs that fit thier system or scheme. I do believe QB play comes into play also. Let's see if our FO can figure it out. I feel they did find one in the 2nd round and hopefully another one in the 3rd. Tough to tell if either is good enough to meet your requirements with the bad QB play the Giants have put on tape. I didn't specify any requirements. What requirements are you alluding to? If i did have any requirements it would probably be minimum atleast 1 thousand yard reciever with 8-12 TDs a season. That what most good offenses have. That's really all I can go by as a fan. Maybe the Giants offense isn't built for a number one WR and more of a WR by commitee but the offensive output is still pretty abysmal compared to good teams. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 24, 2024 14:44:50 GMT -5
I feel they did find one in the 2nd round and hopefully another one in the 3rd. Tough to tell if either is good enough to meet your requirements with the bad QB play the Giants have put on tape. I didn't specify any requirements. What requirements are you alluding to? If i did have any requirements it would probably be minimum atleast 1 thousand yard reciever with 8-12 TDs a season. That what most good offenses have. That's really all I can go by as a fan. Maybe the Giants offense isn't built for a number one WR and more of a WR by commitee but the offensive output is still pretty abysmal compared to good teams. That is correct you didn't provide what the requirements are for you to be happy that they hit on a good WR. I'm sure it's different for everyone and I do think they should have 80+ catches and at least 8 TDs. |
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 24, 2024 14:55:21 GMT -5
In my opinion this is a sign that the market is starting to correct itself. Rather than pay a WR a ridiculous amount of money on a 2nd contract, let them walk and backfill in the draft. There are tons of WRs every year.
Having a bonafide WR1 is an absolute benefit but rarely, if ever, are they the reason why teams win Super Bowls. Considering the price tag, along with the wealth of talent coming out each year, WRs have become overvalued.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 24, 2024 15:08:58 GMT -5
I didn't specify any requirements. What requirements are you alluding to? If i did have any requirements it would probably be minimum atleast 1 thousand yard reciever with 8-12 TDs a season. That what most good offenses have. That's really all I can go by as a fan. Maybe the Giants offense isn't built for a number one WR and more of a WR by commitee but the offensive output is still pretty abysmal compared to good teams. That is correct you didn't provide what the requirements are for you to be happy that they hit on a good WR. I'm sure it's different for everyone and I do think they should have 80+ catches and at least 8 TDs. The last time we had a 80+plus catches by a player was in 2018 by Saquon. The last 1000 plus yard reciever was also in 2018 with OBJ. Sad state of affairs our offense has gotten to. I don't remember the last time a player had 8 or more TDs in a season recieving for the Giants. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 25, 2024 6:11:24 GMT -5
That is correct you didn't provide what the requirements are for you to be happy that they hit on a good WR. I'm sure it's different for everyone and I do think they should have 80+ catches and at least 8 TDs. The last time we had a 80+plus catches by a player was in 2018 by Saquon. The last 1000 plus yard reciever was also in 2018 with OBJ. Sad state of affairs our offense has gotten to. I don't remember the last time a player had 8 or more TDs in a season recieving for the Giants. It has been a bad offense these past few years. I still think it's more on the bad oline and QB play for the reason but it was so dumb for the team to not draft a WR to replace OBJ after they traded him. Another Getty mistake he tried to fix with an even worst mistake signing Galloday. If a WR is selected at the #6 spot tonight I won't be upset but I still want the oline being fixed as the top priority. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 25, 2024 6:26:03 GMT -5
That is correct you didn't provide what the requirements are for you to be happy that they hit on a good WR. I'm sure it's different for everyone and I do think they should have 80+ catches and at least 8 TDs. The last time we had a 80+plus catches by a player was in 2018 by Saquon. The last 1000 plus yard reciever was also in 2018 with OBJ. Sad state of affairs our offense has gotten to. I don't remember the last time a player had 8 or more TDs in a season recieving for the Giants. yup all boils down to you need A guy if you don't have a Mahomes to make average WR's look and do good enough............................ |
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 25, 2024 6:35:39 GMT -5
The QB percentage gets worse when you look at 20’ and 21’ too where you have a good to really good idea of who’s going to stick and who isn’t (Fields).
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 25, 2024 7:33:19 GMT -5
The QB percentage gets worse when you look at 20’ and 21’ too where you have a good to really good idea of who’s going to stick and who isn’t (Fields). The QB percentage is probably thrown off by the Jets, Bears, and Cardinals...maybe the Panthers. A couple of those teams were changing QBs every two years, but I would hazard many teams hang on to them longer. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 25, 2024 10:22:35 GMT -5
You are defining "hit" as signing a 2nd contract? Thats not really a fair way to look at it. Many WRs hit and move on to other teams due to money. It is opinion. I have said this before. How can a player be a bust if he played a majority of the snaps in their career! There is a big difference between suck and bust. Most do mot understand the difference between the two. |
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Post by Analyst on Apr 25, 2024 10:41:15 GMT -5
You are defining "hit" as signing a 2nd contract? Thats not really a fair way to look at it. Many WRs hit and move on to other teams due to money. It is opinion. I have said this before. How can a player be a bust if he played a majority of the snaps in their career! There is a big difference between suck and bust. Most do mot understand the difference between the two. So, does DJ suck or is he a bust? lol |
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