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Post by lexington11 on Apr 24, 2024 15:44:09 GMT -5
Penix has some things to like for sure. Personally, I can't get over the fact that Andrew Thomas would not be protecting his blindside, but maybe I'm wrong about how big of a deal that is. it’s a big deal as mobility is not part of Penix game. He’s a pure, old school pocket passer. They would need to protect him well to get his best.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Apr 24, 2024 16:49:17 GMT -5
I just don't see them drafting Penix, no matter where it is. His style of play does not fit this offense in my opinion. I would be very surprised if he is taken.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 24, 2024 17:10:29 GMT -5
Penix has some things to like for sure. Personally, I can't get over the fact that Andrew Thomas would not be protecting his blindside, but maybe I'm wrong about how big of a deal that is. it’s a big deal as mobility is not part of Penix game. He’s a pure, old school pocket passer. They would need to protect him well to get his best. I think Penix moves very well actually. Is he a "runner?".....No. And I wouldn't want one. I think he has a nice combination of discipline in the pocket and escape ability.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 24, 2024 17:12:17 GMT -5
Of the big 6, Penix is the worst fit for the Giants. He looked terrible, under pressure, in the NC game against Michigan. He's also the least mobile QB in this draft...that's not a good combo with an OLine with JMS, Neal, and no depth. Did you see him vs. Texas? He looked sensational in that game. The Huskies were just way outmatched by Michigan.
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Post by lt56 on Apr 24, 2024 17:16:15 GMT -5
I like Penix, even more if we can trade back pick up extra picks and still get him but I think ALL SMOKE SCREEN
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Post by Nite on Apr 24, 2024 17:19:00 GMT -5
Of the big 6, Penix is the worst fit for the Giants. He looked terrible, under pressure, in the NC game against Michigan. He's also the least mobile QB in this draft...that's not a good combo with an OLine with JMS, Neal, and no depth. Did you see him vs. Texas? He looked sensational in that game. The Huskies were just way outmatched by Michigan. Michigan has a SEC caliber defense. One of the primary reasons why they won the championship. There will be multiple picks this year on D from that school. Penix will be a good pro he will have to adjust to the game
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Post by vinnie on Apr 24, 2024 17:33:03 GMT -5
Of the big 6, Penix is the worst fit for the Giants. He looked terrible, under pressure, in the NC game against Michigan. He's also the least mobile QB in this draft...that's not a good combo with an OLine with JMS, Neal, and no depth. Did you see him vs. Texas? He looked sensational in that game. The Huskies were just way outmatched by Michigan. This is what scared me the most. Injuries aside, Penix was my favorIte QB and I would have loved to grab him in the 2nd or bottom of the first but it looks like that won’t be a possibility now. I digress, he was my favorite QB until that damn Michigan game. He looked lost, scared, skittish, indecisive, made too many bad decisions and passes…if he looked that bad against Michigan how is going to do against an NFL defense? IIRC, Texas aside, most of his “good games” statistically were against inferior competition and pretty poor against good competition a la Daniel Jones. Like all these QB’s, I’m not saying he can’t succeed but I was definitely scared off by that Michigan game and his overall stats against other good teams. And forget having him run the ball. www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/michael-penix-jr-1/gamelog/2023/
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 24, 2024 17:34:18 GMT -5
Did you see him vs. Texas? He looked sensational in that game. The Huskies were just way outmatched by Michigan. Michigan has a SEC caliber defense. One of the primary reasons why they won the championship. There will be multiple picks this year on D from that school. Penix will be a good pro he will have to adjust to the game I don't know....I think he has a pretty pro ready game. Obviously all prospects, even top ones, will need development. Penix would be no exception. But to me, he's the best QB prospect not named "Caleb" in this draft. Daniels scares me with his inclination to tuck and run along with his slight build. Folks are afraid of Penix's injury history, but to me, Daniels is the biggest injury risk. I would be OK with Maye if the FO believes in him of course, but to my eyes, Penix has an "it factor" that some of those other guys don't.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 24, 2024 17:36:57 GMT -5
Did you see him vs. Texas? He looked sensational in that game. The Huskies were just way outmatched by Michigan. This is what scared me the most. Injuries aside, Penix was my favorIte QB and I would have loved to grab him in the 2nd or bottom of the first but it looks like that won’t be a possibility now. I digress, he was my favorite QB until that damn Michigan game. He looked lost, scared, skittish, indecisive, made too many bad decisions and passes…if he looked that bad against Michigan how is going to do against an NFL defense? IIRC, Texas aside, most of his “good games” statistically were against inferior competition and pretty poor against good competition a la Daniel Jones. Like all these QB’s, I’m not saying he can’t succeed but I was definitely scared off by that Michigan game and his overall stats against other good teams. You know the riddle about the elephant and the canary....Right? What do an elephant and a canary have in common?........They both fly............................except the elephant. That's what I think of the "Texas aside" comment. BTW he looked great by beating Oregon twice last year as well.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 24, 2024 17:53:45 GMT -5
This is what scared me the most. Injuries aside, Penix was my favorIte QB and I would have loved to grab him in the 2nd or bottom of the first but it looks like that won’t be a possibility now. I digress, he was my favorite QB until that damn Michigan game. He looked lost, scared, skittish, indecisive, made too many bad decisions and passes…if he looked that bad against Michigan how is going to do against an NFL defense? IIRC, Texas aside, most of his “good games” statistically were against inferior competition and pretty poor against good competition a la Daniel Jones. Like all these QB’s, I’m not saying he can’t succeed but I was definitely scared off by that Michigan game and his overall stats against other good teams. You know the riddle about the elephant and the canary....Right? What do an elephant and a canary have in common?........They both fly............................except the elephant. That's what I think of the "Texas aside" comment. BTW he looked great by beating Oregon twice last year as well. 22 for 37 is great? That’s less than a 60% completion rate and look at some of his other games. If you don’t like my Texas comment than I’ll just bring up his game against Stanford or Oregon State or Washington State or Utah. I mostly agree with you, these things I mentioned just worry me.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 24, 2024 18:05:19 GMT -5
Did you see him vs. Texas? He looked sensational in that game. The Huskies were just way outmatched by Michigan. Michigan has a SEC caliber defense. One of the primary reasons why they won the championship. There will be multiple picks this year on D from that school. Penix will be a good pro he will have to adjust to the game If he ends up on Miami or the Rams it will bode well. Perfect offense for his skillset. Basically younger version Matt Stafford/Matt Ryan.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 24, 2024 18:17:58 GMT -5
Penix has some things to like for sure. Personally, I can't get over the fact that Andrew Thomas would not be protecting his blindside, but maybe I'm wrong about how big of a deal that is. I've heard this. I honestly wouldn't worry about the blindside protection LTs/RTs to me have the same value, if anything, RTs face better rushers these days. We need to fix the problem, but if Thomas was a RT and we had a hole at RT, the delta would be negibilble Why does it matter less with Penix, he has far and away the lowest pressure-to-sack rate. He's not going to hang on to the ball, he's a quick decision maker. I believe Penix is single digit in this regard, whereas as someone like DJ is like 25%
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 24, 2024 18:21:19 GMT -5
This is what scared me the most. Injuries aside, Penix was my favorIte QB and I would have loved to grab him in the 2nd or bottom of the first but it looks like that won’t be a possibility now. I digress, he was my favorite QB until that damn Michigan game. He looked lost, scared, skittish, indecisive, made too many bad decisions and passes…if he looked that bad against Michigan how is going to do against an NFL defense? IIRC, Texas aside, most of his “good games” statistically were against inferior competition and pretty poor against good competition a la Daniel Jones. Like all these QB’s, I’m not saying he can’t succeed but I was definitely scared off by that Michigan game and his overall stats against other good teams. You know the riddle about the elephant and the canary....Right? What do an elephant and a canary have in common?........They both fly............................except the elephant. That's what I think of the "Texas aside" comment. BTW he looked great by beating Oregon twice last year as well. The problem with Penix is that he will struggle in the pros if he cant consistently hit intermediate/short throws. You can't just be a three point shooter It's not that Penix was overmatched by Michigan, it's that Michigan took away everything deep and asked him to be patient. He wasn't. Like with Daniel Jones, if Penix doesn't develop a counter to how the league will play him, he will bust.. With that said, I think he can get passed this issue with good coaching and an ability to learn.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 24, 2024 18:21:24 GMT -5
You know the riddle about the elephant and the canary....Right? What do an elephant and a canary have in common?........They both fly............................except the elephant. That's what I think of the "Texas aside" comment. BTW he looked great by beating Oregon twice last year as well. 22 for 37 is great? That’s less than a 60% completion rate and look at some of his other games. If you don’t like my Texas comment than I’ll just bring up his game against Stanford or Oregon State or Washington State or Utah. I mostly agree with you, these things I mentioned just worry me. Oh.....Statistic. Thanks. Now back to real football.
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Post by te88 on Apr 24, 2024 18:30:51 GMT -5
I like Penix.
He will not be drafted at 6 and likely not even in round 1.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 24, 2024 18:42:57 GMT -5
22 for 37 is great? That’s less than a 60% completion rate and look at some of his other games. If you don’t like my Texas comment than I’ll just bring up his game against Stanford or Oregon State or Washington State or Utah. I mostly agree with you, these things I mentioned just worry me. Oh.....Statistic. Thanks. Now back to real football. You just can not be a dick, can you? I guess you watched every game, oh no, that’s right, you probably only watched him play against Texas so of course your opinion is spot on since it’s such a good sample size and you clearly know “real football”.
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Post by PennState1 on Apr 24, 2024 19:35:43 GMT -5
Or not
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 24, 2024 19:38:35 GMT -5
I like Penix. He will not be drafted at 6 and likely not even in round 1. I don't think he'll make it past the Raiders at 13. But that's just my guess.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 24, 2024 19:40:46 GMT -5
Oh.....Statistic. Thanks. Now back to real football. You just can not be a dick, can you? I guess you watched every game, oh no, that’s right, you probably only watched him play against Texas so of course your opinion is spot on since it’s such a good sample size and you clearly know “real football”. No...But I watched both Oregon games and the Texas game. Huskies are pretty big here in the Pacific Northwest. You can accuse me of "being a dick" but when someone just throws a set of stats out as if that tells the story, I think that's kind of silly. But if your delicate sensitivities have been offended.....I apologize.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 24, 2024 20:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 24, 2024 20:16:24 GMT -5
Let's go! Would be pumped.
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Apr 24, 2024 20:42:25 GMT -5
Love it
I dont care what QB they take its about them identifying a kid and having the balls to draft him
We dont have a QB. This regime is in Year 3. They cant continue on as if they are on an infinite timeline.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 24, 2024 20:59:46 GMT -5
You just can not be a dick, can you? I guess you watched every game, oh no, that’s right, you probably only watched him play against Texas so of course your opinion is spot on since it’s such a good sample size and you clearly know “real football”. No...But I watched both Oregon games and the Texas game. Huskies are pretty big here in the Pacific Northwest. You can accuse me of "being a dick" but when someone just throws a set of stats out as if that tells the story, I think that's kind of silly. But if your delicate sensitivities have been offended.....I apologize. I didn’t say just stats, did? I specifically mentioned the Michigan game and gave you several specific examples of what he did during that game that gave me reasons to not be as high on him as I originally was. I also understand stats only tell part of the story which is why I told what I personally saw and thought. It’s not me being delicate, so no apology necessary, it was an honest question. I wasn’t sure if you had to try or maybe it’s hereditary. My “delicacy” may have had more to do with you cherry picking my overall response to just stats.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 24, 2024 21:01:59 GMT -5
Love it I dont care what QB they take its about them identifying a kid and having the balls to draft him We dont have a QB. This regime is in Year 3. They cant continue on as if they are on an infinite timeline. Yup, I have no idea if JJ would be a bust or not (or any of these QB’s for that matter) but I know Jones isn’t the answer and I’m relatively sure we’d have to give up even more next year to even have a swing at a QB. If they’re confident in him, great, it’s their asses that will be on the line if he doesn’t develop.
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Post by Modog on Apr 24, 2024 21:53:59 GMT -5
Of the big 6, Penix is the worst fit for the Giants. He looked terrible, under pressure, in the NC game against Michigan. He's also the least mobile QB in this draft...that's not a good combo with an OLine with JMS, Neal, and no depth. Penix isn't my favorite.. but I think he has good upside, he's plenty mobile, ran a 4.45 40... To me he's a QB who can run but chooses to pass, because he can vs Dan Jones who runs because he can't pass.
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Post by jaymas on Apr 24, 2024 23:50:27 GMT -5
Penix has some things to like for sure. Personally, I can't get over the fact that Andrew Thomas would not be protecting his blindside, but maybe I'm wrong about how big of a deal that is. it’s a big deal as mobility is not part of Penix game. He’s a pure, old school pocket passer. They would need to protect him well to get his best. Well, he ran a 4.5 at his pro day, so clearly some of the "lack of mobility" is by choice. Sure a fast 40 isn't 1:1 with mobility...but statues can't run 4.5s Sign me up for a guy that's pocket first but has unexpected mobility or a high mobility ceiling.
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Post by Nite on Apr 25, 2024 8:41:03 GMT -5
Michigan has a SEC caliber defense. One of the primary reasons why they won the championship. There will be multiple picks this year on D from that school. Penix will be a good pro he will have to adjust to the game I don't know....I think he has a pretty pro ready game. Obviously all prospects, even top ones, will need development. Penix would be no exception. But to me, he's the best QB prospect not named "Caleb" in this draft. Daniels scares me with his inclination to tuck and run along with his slight build. Folks are afraid of Penix's injury history, but to me, Daniels is the biggest injury risk. I would be OK with Maye if the FO believes in him of course, but to my eyes, Penix has an "it factor" that some of those other guys don't. I think that Bo Nix is the most pro ready. Daniels is the most electric and will keep DCs up at night. He can be taught to slide. Think of him as a slimmer faster Lamarr Jackson. And of course JJ.. What fans don't realize is that if we are serious about a QB we need to draft one because all of these prospects will be gone by the end of the 1st round. Teams are hungry for a QB
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Post by te88 on Apr 25, 2024 9:48:34 GMT -5
I like Penix. He will not be drafted at 6 and likely not even in round 1. I don't think he'll make it past the Raiders at 13. But that's just my guess. You’re probably right actually.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 25, 2024 10:02:15 GMT -5
better have a plan for RT lol............
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