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Post by nyg2 on Apr 25, 2024 16:28:00 GMT -5
I still think that if a deal does get done it won't be until the Patriots are officially on the clock, in order to pressure us and any other team interested in their pick to provide maximum amount of compensation.
Would you do this deal or is it too much?
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Post by jaymas on Apr 25, 2024 16:34:42 GMT -5
Not shocking. If they think Maye is their Josh Allen, you do it in a heartbeat. If there is even a shred of something that lacks that level of conviction, you do not do it. I'd hope that there could be a negotiation that keeps our second round pick this year ideally though.
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 25, 2024 16:37:31 GMT -5
I still think that if a deal does get done it won't be until the Patriots are officially on the clock, in order to pressure us and any other team interested in their pick to provide maximum amount of compensation. Would you do this deal or is it too much? That's if you want it then bend over and take it offer. Absolutely not. Absurd ask. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 25, 2024 16:40:50 GMT -5
way too much to give up for these prospects, IMO. I'll be pretty annoyed if we make that desparation move. I think we'll do much better building the team with our picks.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Apr 25, 2024 16:45:13 GMT -5
I would not do this for anyone but Jayden Daniels. I hope they just stay put, take BPA and if they need to trade up in 2nd round to get a guy like Nix then so be it.
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 25, 2024 16:47:49 GMT -5
It’s not about whether you need a QB (the Pats need a QB too), it’s what you think of Maye.
He’s either worth it, or he’s not.
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 25, 2024 16:52:04 GMT -5
It’s not about whether you need a QB (the Pats need a QB too), it’s what you think of Maye. He’s either worth it, or he’s not. I agree. Even if the Giants love Penix or Nix, they should draft them at 6. If that's your guy then get him, don't wait and hope you can get him or trade picks to move back up to get him. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 17:09:26 GMT -5
I’m not a Maye fan but for those who say “too much to give up”. What’s your ultimate plan?
1) Build up the team, in which they should get better, then draft a QB next year or the year after (while paying Jones for his 3rd year) when this years 2nd and next years first will look like chump change compared to what we’ll have to give up if we pick in the mid to late teens and we’ll still be taking just as much of a risk on a QB as we are now
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2) Keep taking shots at a QB with late round picks and hope we find one of those diamonds in the rough that rarely happen while our roster gets older and requires more and more money to keep together
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3) Pay a good (not great) FA QB, if one is available, a new record setting contract in hopes he can bring our team to the promised land. Keep in mind, by that time, Thibs, our new #1 WR, Banks, and a handful of others will also want huge contracts if they’re worth a shit and we won’t be able to pay them all
I’m just curious what your game plan is because none of those options seem like a good strategy when we probably won’t be in a better spot to pick a QB then we are now. And please don’t bring up Purdy or some other late round QB that has worked out because they don’t the majority of the time and if you do, I can name more pro bowl WR’s taken in late rounds than QB’s so it’s a moot point anyways.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 25, 2024 17:12:53 GMT -5
I still think that if a deal does get done it won't be until the Patriots are officially on the clock, in order to pressure us and any other team interested in their pick to provide maximum amount of compensation. Would you do this deal or is it too much? Draft slots mean nothing is was told |
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 25, 2024 17:14:55 GMT -5
Carolina was applauded for doing a similar deal last year getting their guy and #1 overall draft pick at QB.
The trade backfired. The new coach got fired in record time.
Carolina got worse - and now they don't have a 1st round pick this year.
The trade up for a QB completely screwed the trajectory of the Panthers franchise.
And The Bears have been digging out of their failed trade-up for their other QB a few years ago.
The trade is the reason why the Bears have the #1 pick this year and another top 10 pick.
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 25, 2024 17:21:14 GMT -5
It’s not about whether you need a QB (the Pats need a QB too), it’s what you think of Maye. He’s either worth it, or he’s not. I agree. Even if the Giants love Penix or Nix, they should draft them at 6. If that's your guy then get him, don't wait and hope you can get him or trade picks to move back up to get him. [br If I’m JS I’m not nearly as afraid of keeping my picks and going non-QB as I am picking someone who plays like Neal. That’s what you’re trying to avoid, 100%. 6/9/7/9. If that’s your 4 season win numbers, I think JS gets another 4 years. I think Mara is desperate for continuity in the GM chair. He’s looking for an excuse to keep JS I think. People that quit on JS because of that DJ deal are probably out of step with our owner, who didn’t and probably still doesn’t hate that contract. Anyone with ears knows he’s got a thing for DJ. If a QB falls to JS that he likes there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that he picks him. Literally no question. But he won’t pick a QB so he can say he addressed it. I think he knows his boss better than we do, and I bet he just needs to give Mara an excuse to keep him. That’s virtually impossible if he trades 4 draft picks and the QB sucks (which is a possibility no one can deny). |
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Post by Aris on Apr 25, 2024 17:25:30 GMT -5
I’m not a Maye fan but for those who say “too much to give up”. What’s your ultimate plan? 1) Build up the team, in which they should get better, then draft a QB next year or the year after (while paying Jones for his 3rd year) when this years 2nd and next years first will look like chump change compared to what we’ll have to give up if we pick in the mid teen to late teens and we’ll still be taking just as much of a risk on a QB as we are now OR 2) Keep taking shots at a QB with late round picks and hope we find one of those diamonds in the rough that rarely happen while our roster gets older and requires more and more money to keep together OR 3) Pay a good (not great) FA QB, if one is available, a new record setting contract in hopes he can bring our team to the promised land. Keep in mind, by that time, Thibs, our new #1 WR, Banks, and a handful of others will also want huge contracts if they’re worth a shit and we won’t be able to pay them all I’m just curious what you’re game plan is because none of those options seem like a good strategy when we probably won’t be in a better spot to pick a QB then we are now. And please don’t bring up Purdy or some other late round QB that has worked out because they don’t the majority of the time and if you do, I can name more pro bowl WR’s taken in late rounds than QB’s so it’s a moot point anyways. You are too close to not take a shot at the franchise QB....if that's what they want, and if Maye is the guy we want...do it. Very simple...and the reason why we can, we are at 6...still in the stud zone. Patriots will want a stud. Going into next year with Jones and Lock ...oh and a incredibly talented superman disguised as a wide receiver...we are still 1 or 2 injuries on the OL from becoming last year...Jones and no ability to let our superman fly up in the sky and catch the ball because Jones is sacked or running out of bounds...or worse, head first into a linebacker. Give this team a new face ....Maye has top 5 QB upside, yeah sure, as well as that math that says bust to average ....to try again as we sit in QB hell. Jones is simply not the guy.....sorry. Jones fans I am here for you...  |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 25, 2024 17:27:00 GMT -5
Thank goodness Dave Gettleman never picked up the phone
How did that work out?
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 17:28:17 GMT -5
Carolina was applauded for doing a similar deal last year getting their guy and #1 overall draft pick at QB. The trade backfired. The new coach got fired in record time. Carolina got worse - and now they don't have a 1st round pick this year. The trade up for a QB completely screwed the trajectory of the Panthers franchise. And The Bears have been digging out of their failed trade-up for their other QB a few years ago. The trade is the reason why the Bears have the #1 pick this year and another top 10 pick. Their GM fires coaches every other month. Their QB has also had 1 year, Jones is going on 6. Houston drafted a QB who suddenly turned former scrub WR’s into good WR’s and elevated the entire team while carrying them on his back (unlike Jones) to the playoffs his rookie year. |
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Post by Aris on Apr 25, 2024 17:30:45 GMT -5
Thank goodness Dave Gettleman never picked up the phone How did that work out? Well, Barkley did became the face of this franchise ....  I'm beginning to believe being the face of this laughingstock franchise since he was drafted is, well.... not quite the compliment |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 25, 2024 17:32:38 GMT -5
It’s not about whether you need a QB (the Pats need a QB too), it’s what you think of Maye. He’s either worth it, or he’s not. Maye is a guy that if he gets his feet straight will be batting Williams for years to come like Allen and Mahomes he has the second best arm talent in the entire draft. still think they should build the roster that number 2 is a high value pick in this draft that is 4 .5 rounds strong then falls hard after that. If they do it I don't blame them it will get them 2 more years because he most likely won't play the first year sans fro a hand full of games at the end of the year. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 25, 2024 17:34:27 GMT -5
I would do this in a heartbeat. Maye is worth more than those picks if you believe he's the guy.
An extra first and our second is not unreasonable at all. If this is for real, it should be a done deal.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 17:36:40 GMT -5
I’m not a Maye fan but for those who say “too much to give up”. What’s your ultimate plan? 1) Build up the team, in which they should get better, then draft a QB next year or the year after (while paying Jones for his 3rd year) when this years 2nd and next years first will look like chump change compared to what we’ll have to give up if we pick in the mid teen to late teens and we’ll still be taking just as much of a risk on a QB as we are now OR 2) Keep taking shots at a QB with late round picks and hope we find one of those diamonds in the rough that rarely happen while our roster gets older and requires more and more money to keep together OR 3) Pay a good (not great) FA QB, if one is available, a new record setting contract in hopes he can bring our team to the promised land. Keep in mind, by that time, Thibs, our new #1 WR, Banks, and a handful of others will also want huge contracts if they’re worth a shit and we won’t be able to pay them all I’m just curious what you’re game plan is because none of those options seem like a good strategy when we probably won’t be in a better spot to pick a QB then we are now. And please don’t bring up Purdy or some other late round QB that has worked out because they don’t the majority of the time and if you do, I can name more pro bowl WR’s taken in late rounds than QB’s so it’s a moot point anyways. You are too close to not take a shot at the franchise QB....if that's what they want, and if Maye is the guy we want...do it. Very simple...and the reason why we can, we are at 6...still in the stud zone. Patriots will want a stud. Going into next year with Jones and Lock ...oh and a incredibly talented superman disguised as a wide receiver...we are still 1 or 2 injuries on the OL from becoming last year...Jones and no ability to let our superman fly up in the sky and catch the ball because Jones is sacked or running out of bounds...or worse, head first into a linebacker. Give this team a new face ....Maye has top 5 QB upside, yeah sure, as well as that math that says bust to average ....to try again as we sit in QB hell. Jones is simply not the guy.....sorry. Jones fans I am here for you... I’ve asked this question at least 3 times over the past 3-4 months and only had one response (can’t remember who but I respected their answer even though I disagreed) now I literally laid out the only 3 options to make it easier for them to answer and I bet I still get crickets. Unless they think Jones is the long term solution or that this team will get worse this year, there is no legitimate reason not to take a shot at a QB now. I agree, they’re all a gamble, but I would rather gamble next years first and this years second then what it would take to move up for that same risk if we’re picking later in the draft next year with an alleged weak QB class which would make it an even greater risk. I also seriously doubt moving up for Penix or Nix from the 2nd will be an option because I would be down with that if I thought there was any realistic possibility. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 25, 2024 17:43:38 GMT -5
I’m not a Maye fan but for those who say “too much to give up”. What’s your ultimate plan? 1) Build up the team, in which they should get better, then draft a QB next year or the year after (while paying Jones for his 3rd year) when this years 2nd and next years first will look like chump change compared to what we’ll have to give up if we pick in the mid to late teens and we’ll still be taking just as much of a risk on a QB as we are now OR 2) Keep taking shots at a QB with late round picks and hope we find one of those diamonds in the rough that rarely happen while our roster gets older and requires more and more money to keep together OR 3) Pay a good (not great) FA QB, if one is available, a new record setting contract in hopes he can bring our team to the promised land. Keep in mind, by that time, Thibs, our new #1 WR, Banks, and a handful of others will also want huge contracts if they’re worth a shit and we won’t be able to pay them all I’m just curious what your game plan is because none of those options seem like a good strategy when we probably won’t be in a better spot to pick a QB then we are now. And please don’t bring up Purdy or some other late round QB that has worked out because they don’t the majority of the time and if you do, I can name more pro bowl WR’s taken in late rounds than QB’s so it’s a moot point anyways. either way, I don't see Maye starting this year, so we'll be relying on the team that is mostly in place. That will probably lead to another top 10 pick next year, which we won't have. Taking top position players in this draft should yield us 2 starters, improving the team. If we take a flyer on one of the lower tier QBs, who knows how that will work out. Could use Lock as a bridge QB, or as you say, sign a mid-tier FA, or pick a QB in next years draft. Lots of unanswered variables. I think Mayes bust potential is too high to spend that kind of capital, and while McCarthy has a lot of traits that could make him a really good QB, he simply wasn't asked to do it at Mich, so that is a huge unknown. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 25, 2024 17:48:19 GMT -5
I agree. Even if the Giants love Penix or Nix, they should draft them at 6. If that's your guy then get him, don't wait and hope you can get him or trade picks to move back up to get him. [br If I’m JS I’m not nearly as afraid of keeping my picks and going non-QB as I am picking someone who plays like Neal. That’s what you’re trying to avoid, 100%. 6/9/7/9. If that’s your 4 season win numbers, I think JS gets another 4 years. I think Mara is desperate for continuity in the GM chair. He’s looking for an excuse to keep JS I think. People that quit on JS because of that DJ deal are probably out of step with our owner, who didn’t and probably still doesn’t hate that contract. Anyone with ears knows he’s got a thing for DJ. If a QB falls to JS that he likes there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that he picks him. Literally no question. But he won’t pick a QB so he can say he addressed it. I think he knows his boss better than we do, and I bet he just needs to give Mara an excuse to keep him. That’s virtually impossible if he trades 4 draft picks and the QB sucks (which is a possibility no one can deny). This is a tough decision for Schoen. They will have a tough time building this team through the draft if they give to much up does he survive to see his QB grow I have no Doubt Maye has the goods an is QB2, he has to clean up his feet but the rest is there in spades. This is what Joe gets paid for to make the right move when the decision has several choices some that require no draft capital others that require several picks. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 25, 2024 17:52:29 GMT -5
I would do this in a heartbeat. Maye is worth more than those picks if you believe he's the guy. An extra first and our second is not unreasonable at all. If this is for real, it should be a done deal. Have to remember when Accorsi traded for Eli the fan base was split it took a strong decision maker to get that done and not play games if they believe in him and they have the chance to get him I think Schoen will do it. That said Minnesota has more to give they already have their #1 and a good roster so they can afford to part with 3 #1 picks. |
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Post by Aris on Apr 25, 2024 17:53:01 GMT -5
I’m not a Maye fan but for those who say “too much to give up”. What’s your ultimate plan? 1) Build up the team, in which they should get better, then draft a QB next year or the year after (while paying Jones for his 3rd year) when this years 2nd and next years first will look like chump change compared to what we’ll have to give up if we pick in the mid to late teens and we’ll still be taking just as much of a risk on a QB as we are now OR 2) Keep taking shots at a QB with late round picks and hope we find one of those diamonds in the rough that rarely happen while our roster gets older and requires more and more money to keep together OR 3) Pay a good (not great) FA QB, if one is available, a new record setting contract in hopes he can bring our team to the promised land. Keep in mind, by that time, Thibs, our new #1 WR, Banks, and a handful of others will also want huge contracts if they’re worth a shit and we won’t be able to pay them all I’m just curious what your game plan is because none of those options seem like a good strategy when we probably won’t be in a better spot to pick a QB then we are now. And please don’t bring up Purdy or some other late round QB that has worked out because they don’t the majority of the time and if you do, I can name more pro bowl WR’s taken in late rounds than QB’s so it’s a moot point anyways. either way, I don't see Maye starting this year, so we'll be relying on the team that is mostly in place. That will probably lead to another top 10 pick next year, which we won't have. Taking top position players in this draft should yield us 2 starters, improving the team. If we take a flyer on one of the lower tier QBs, who knows how that will work out. Could use Lock as a bridge QB, or as you say, sign a mid-tier FA, or pick a QB in next years draft. Lots of unanswered variables. I think Mayes bust potential is too high to spend that kind of capital, and while McCarthy has a lot of traits that could make him a really good QB, he simply wasn't asked to do it at Mich, so that is a huge unknown. It costs to improve the most important position is sports....taking flyers on that position is not how to do it. Those 2 starters can also be busts...or average 1 contract and done players. A 2nd rounder this year, mid 2 and a 1 next that can be a 1 overall or more then likely 10-20 ....all to not go into anymore seasons with Daniel Jones? With that 1% chance.... Maye could become a top 5 QB? Well worth it. Just to stop the Jones threads alone, this trade makes sense   |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 25, 2024 18:04:59 GMT -5
I’m not a Maye fan but for those who say “too much to give up”. What’s your ultimate plan? 1) Build up the team, in which they should get better, then draft a QB next year or the year after (while paying Jones for his 3rd year) when this years 2nd and next years first will look like chump change compared to what we’ll have to give up if we pick in the mid to late teens and we’ll still be taking just as much of a risk on a QB as we are now OR 2) Keep taking shots at a QB with late round picks and hope we find one of those diamonds in the rough that rarely happen while our roster gets older and requires more and more money to keep together OR 3) Pay a good (not great) FA QB, if one is available, a new record setting contract in hopes he can bring our team to the promised land. Keep in mind, by that time, Thibs, our new #1 WR, Banks, and a handful of others will also want huge contracts if they’re worth a shit and we won’t be able to pay them all I’m just curious what your game plan is because none of those options seem like a good strategy when we probably won’t be in a better spot to pick a QB then we are now. And please don’t bring up Purdy or some other late round QB that has worked out because they don’t the majority of the time and if you do, I can name more pro bowl WR’s taken in late rounds than QB’s so it’s a moot point anyways. either way, I don't see Maye starting this year, so we'll be relying on the team that is mostly in place. That will probably lead to another top 10 pick next year, which we won't have. Taking top position players in this draft should yield us 2 starters, improving the team. If we take a flyer on one of the lower tier QBs, who knows how that will work out. Could use Lock as a bridge QB, or as you say, sign a mid-tier FA, or pick a QB in next years draft. Lots of unanswered variables. I think Mayes bust potential is too high to spend that kind of capital, and while McCarthy has a lot of traits that could make him a really good QB, he simply wasn't asked to do it at Mich, so that is a huge unknown. Mayes bust potential is lower than Jayden Daniels who made a living on 3 plays and his feet also doesn't't have close to the arm talent Maye or Williams possess. The only issue I have is our roster needs help can Schoen pull an Accorsi and crust next years draft with out a #1 and make what would be left of this draft at least get 1 starter tall order when the draft is 170 player short because of under classmen returning to school fro the NIL money. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 25, 2024 18:07:23 GMT -5
either way, I don't see Maye starting this year, so we'll be relying on the team that is mostly in place. That will probably lead to another top 10 pick next year, which we won't have. Taking top position players in this draft should yield us 2 starters, improving the team. If we take a flyer on one of the lower tier QBs, who knows how that will work out. Could use Lock as a bridge QB, or as you say, sign a mid-tier FA, or pick a QB in next years draft. Lots of unanswered variables. I think Mayes bust potential is too high to spend that kind of capital, and while McCarthy has a lot of traits that could make him a really good QB, he simply wasn't asked to do it at Mich, so that is a huge unknown. It costs to improve the most important position is sports....taking flyers on that position is not how to do it. Those 2 starters can also be busts...or average 1 contract and done players. A 2nd rounder this year, mid 2 and a 1 next that can be a 1 overall or more then likely 10-20 ....all to not go into anymore seasons with Daniel Jones? With that 1% chance.... Maye could become a top 5 QB? Well worth it. Just to stop the Jones threads alone, this trade makes sense They will be talking about Jones for a couple years after he is gone that will never end |
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Post by Aris on Apr 25, 2024 18:11:02 GMT -5
It costs to improve the most important position is sports....taking flyers on that position is not how to do it. Those 2 starters can also be busts...or average 1 contract and done players. A 2nd rounder this year, mid 2 and a 1 next that can be a 1 overall or more then likely 10-20 ....all to not go into anymore seasons with Daniel Jones? With that 1% chance.... Maye could become a top 5 QB? Well worth it. Just to stop the Jones threads alone, this trade makes sense They will be talking about Jones for a couple years after he is gone that will never end Well, he did win a playoff game  |
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Apr 25, 2024 18:12:09 GMT -5
Done. So why hasn’t the trade been announced yet.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 25, 2024 18:14:37 GMT -5
Carolina was applauded for doing a similar deal last year getting their guy and #1 overall draft pick at QB. The trade backfired. The new coach got fired in record time. Carolina got worse - and now they don't have a 1st round pick this year. The trade up for a QB completely screwed the trajectory of the Panthers franchise. And The Bears have been digging out of their failed trade-up for their other QB a few years ago. The trade is the reason why the Bears have the #1 pick this year and another top 10 pick. Bears have only 4 picks BTW |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 25, 2024 18:26:57 GMT -5
They will be talking about Jones for a couple years after he is gone that will never end Well, he did win a playoff game LOL don't think they will be talking about the playoff game maybe the one against the eagles  |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 25, 2024 18:31:26 GMT -5
Done. So why hasn’t the trade been announced yet. LOL it's being auctioned off at about 8:30 tonight thats the qualifying they will decide to stick or trade after the rest of the offers come in |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 25, 2024 18:33:29 GMT -5
Thank goodness Dave Gettleman never picked up the phone How did that work out? Well, Barkley did became the face of this franchise .... I'm beginning to believe being the face of this laughingstock franchise since he was drafted is, well.... not quite the compliment Hopefully he won't be getting the last laugh with the Beagles. |
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