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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 26, 2024 17:09:21 GMT -5
Draft thinking pause.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 26, 2024 17:18:16 GMT -5
Went Barkley I’m not only including his play in the field but his lack of drama on and off it.
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 26, 2024 17:26:45 GMT -5
Went Odell because for those first 3 years he was on a HOF path. Outside of his rookie year Barkley has been good and definitely the better character/teammate, but never on a HOF trajectory.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 26, 2024 17:31:00 GMT -5
There’s no debate.. It’s Beckham by a landslide. He put a sledge hammer to the record books. His first three seasons are that of legends. He was in company with Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and most recently, Justin Jefferson. The only thing that slowed him down was injuries.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 26, 2024 17:33:18 GMT -5
Easy choice for me. As talented as OBJ was, I’d never want a diva on my team.
Barkley all day over the clown Beckham.
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Post by te88 on Apr 26, 2024 17:36:54 GMT -5
Beckham was the better overall player. By quite a bit.
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Post by Nite on Apr 26, 2024 17:45:53 GMT -5
Frank Cephas
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 17:54:10 GMT -5
Beckham was as good (talent & production) as Dave Gettlemen thought Barkley was.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 17:55:17 GMT -5
There’s no debate.. It’s Beckham by a landslide. He put a sledge hammer to the record books. His first three seasons are that of legends. He was in company with Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and most recently, Justin Jefferson. The only thing that slowed him down was injuries. It was a phenomenal pick. Without injuries, he was on his way to a HOF career while with the Giants
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 26, 2024 18:01:33 GMT -5
Comparible production, when healthy. One was an idiot, one wasn't. This team, without Saquon the last 5 years, would've been horrific. OBj with DJ would've been a bunch of screaming in the huddle and at the OC. Neither were busts, but neither were home runs.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 26, 2024 18:01:38 GMT -5
Aaron Donald
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 26, 2024 18:02:46 GMT -5
There’s no debate.. It’s Beckham by a landslide. He put a sledge hammer to the record books. His first three seasons are that of legends. He was in company with Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and most recently, Justin Jefferson. The only thing that slowed him down was injuries. It was a phenomenal pick. Without injuries, he was on his way to a HOF career while with the Giants If the kicking net would've accepted his marriage proposal, maybe he finishes his career in NY?
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Post by Dezzr on Apr 26, 2024 18:04:48 GMT -5
Odell and its not even close.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 26, 2024 18:05:31 GMT -5
I picked "Name your pick" and I name Lawrence Taylor.
Out of the other two it was certainly ODB. Barkley had an amazing rookie year, one of the best ever; but Odell had 3 amazing years, got hurt and came back to have two more 1,000+ yard seasons (one for the Giants).
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Post by ocgiant on Apr 26, 2024 18:30:07 GMT -5
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 26, 2024 18:51:55 GMT -5
Btw I don't know WTF name your player is it appeared by itself not my choosing.
This board is slipping Rosie.
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Post by Dezzr on Apr 26, 2024 19:48:10 GMT -5
Btw I don't know WTF name your player is it appeared by itself not my choosing. This board is slipping Rosie. Rosie doesnt mess around with threads. Sarc on the other hand.....
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Post by Roswell on Apr 27, 2024 5:54:40 GMT -5
There’s no debate.. It’s Beckham by a landslide. He put a sledge hammer to the record books. His first three seasons are that of legends. He was in company with Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and most recently, Justin Jefferson. The only thing that slowed him down was injuries. It was a phenomenal pick. Without injuries, he was on his way to a HOF career while with the Giants I’d take Aaron Donald or Zack Martin over him. Both HOFers. Both needs for the Giants at that time. Both great character guys.
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Apr 27, 2024 5:56:35 GMT -5
Beckham and it's not close at all. Odell was on a trajectory to the HOFfirst ballot and if I'm not mistaken he was ahead of the pace of Jerry Rice for a while.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 27, 2024 6:10:32 GMT -5
Odell was a major diva and caused some headaches, but he produced for us. Saquon was very hit or miss.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 27, 2024 7:12:55 GMT -5
Who was worse?
Kadarius Toney
or
DeAndre Baker
or
Name Your Player
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 27, 2024 7:29:13 GMT -5
There’s no debate.. It’s Beckham by a landslide. He put a sledge hammer to the record books. His first three seasons are that of legends. He was in company with Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and most recently, Justin Jefferson. The only thing that slowed him down was injuries. It was a phenomenal pick. Without injuries, he was on his way to a HOF career while with the Giants I ran Reese through the mud.. And backed over him for good measure. But there was no denying he had an eye for talent at wide receiver.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 27, 2024 8:47:26 GMT -5
Easy choice for me. As talented as OBJ was, I’d never want a diva on my team. Barkley all day over the clown Beckham. The question is asking you to remove emotions and just state who was the better player for the Giants.
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Post by Nite on Apr 27, 2024 9:01:28 GMT -5
1) Frank Cephas
2) HoF(er) Davis Webb
3) Beckham
FC is da man... Taught Joe Morris all that he knows..
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Post by Roswell on Apr 27, 2024 9:16:44 GMT -5
Easy choice for me. As talented as OBJ was, I’d never want a diva on my team. Barkley all day over the clown Beckham. The question is asking you to remove emotions and just state who was the better player for the Giants. Better player includes no antics, no unnecessary penalties and no drama coupled with on field performance for my criteria.
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Post by jaymas on Apr 27, 2024 9:30:05 GMT -5
It's an interesting conversation. Both exploded on the scene, though OBJ's was for longer and more significant from a performance standpoint. Both had a playoff game with the Giants, and unfortunately both their Giants careers probably ended too soon.
Barkley had less extra curricular stuff, but honestly, he got incredibly lucky his contract situation worked out the way it did. I will maintain forever that turning down the Giants offers before this past season was bad business and really only netted him 2.5 mil more guaranteed in the long run. Wasn't through some excellent strategic thinking either, through sheer luck.
We talk about how loyal he was, but minor discounts for extensions with the team that drafted you, happens all the time. Lawrence and Dex already aren't the highest paid at their positions. Barkley's hardball will always be weird. The fact the Giants were even at the negotiating table with him after the ACL and numerous ankle injuries shows that they really did want the guy. It's not as obvious as OBJs drama, but as a fan, the whole thing leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
I think OBJ is the more significant player and him coming onto the scene in 2014 is a unique sports experience I'll never forget. It was absolutely electrifying and so much fun.
Even when Odell made me roll my eyes, I'll always maintain people seemed obsessed with tearing down the guy no matter what. I might have a soft spot for him, but that's fine. And I'll always say that in those first three years I don't think I've ever watched a better receiver and that includes HOF guys we've all watched. He simply moved different on the football field.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 27, 2024 9:36:33 GMT -5
OdB is no. 2 all time leading WR for the Giants in short amount of time and with injuries.
Saquon is number 4 all time leading rusher with his short time and injuries.
The edge goes to ODB. But considering the positions they both played. They played position as well as anyone could. It was the one position you didn't need to upgrade while they were on the team and healthy. Let's see if Schoen can find thier replacements.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 27, 2024 9:46:32 GMT -5
The question is asking you to remove emotions and just state who was the better player for the Giants. Better player includes no antics, no unnecessary penalties and no drama coupled with on field performance for my criteria. Well performance/productikn this is a no brainer.
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Post by te88 on Apr 27, 2024 9:48:59 GMT -5
It's an interesting conversation. Both exploded on the scene, though OBJ's was for longer and more significant from a performance standpoint. Both had a playoff game with the Giants, and unfortunately both their Giants careers probably ended too soon. Barkley had less extra curricular stuff, but honestly, he got incredibly lucky his contract situation worked out the way it did. I will maintain forever that turning down the Giants offers before this past season was bad business and really only netted him 2.5 mil more guaranteed in the long run. Wasn't through some excellent strategic thinking either, through sheer luck. We talk about how loyal he was, but minor discounts for extensions with the team that drafted you, happens all the time. Lawrence and Dex already aren't the highest paid at their positions. Barkley's hardball will always be weird. The fact the Giants were even at the negotiating table with him after the ACL and numerous ankle injuries shows that they really did want the guy. It's not as obvious as OBJs drama, but as a fan, the whole thing leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I think OBJ is the more significant player and him coming onto the scene in 2014 is a unique sports experience I'll never forget. It was absolutely electrifying and so much fun. Even when Odell made me roll my eyes, I'll always maintain people seemed obsessed with tearing down the guy no matter what. I might have a soft spot for him, but that's fine. And I'll always say that in those first three years I don't think I've ever watched a better receiver and that includes HOF guys we've all watched. He simply moved different on the football field. Nice post. I fully agree. Beckham might have been a once in a lifetime player. It’s a shame for everyone that it didn’t work out.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 27, 2024 9:50:25 GMT -5
It's an interesting conversation. Both exploded on the scene, though OBJ's was for longer and more significant from a performance standpoint. Both had a playoff game with the Giants, and unfortunately both their Giants careers probably ended too soon. Barkley had less extra curricular stuff, but honestly, he got incredibly lucky his contract situation worked out the way it did. I will maintain forever that turning down the Giants offers before this past season was bad business and really only netted him 2.5 mil more guaranteed in the long run. Wasn't through some excellent strategic thinking either, through sheer luck. We talk about how loyal he was, but minor discounts for extensions with the team that drafted you, happens all the time. Lawrence and Dex already aren't the highest paid at their positions. Barkley's hardball will always be weird. The fact the Giants were even at the negotiating table with him after the ACL and numerous ankle injuries shows that they really did want the guy. It's not as obvious as OBJs drama, but as a fan, the whole thing leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I think OBJ is the more significant player and him coming onto the scene in 2014 is a unique sports experience I'll never forget. It was absolutely electrifying and so much fun. Even when Odell made me roll my eyes, I'll always maintain people seemed obsessed with tearing down the guy no matter what. I might have a soft spot for him, but that's fine. And I'll always say that in those first three years I don't think I've ever watched a better receiver and that includes HOF guys we've all watched. He simply moved different on the football field. Beckham was a stud.. He could get open in a broom closet. Back in ‘16 when we were staring at the end of a three game losing streak. The season was about to unravel as another loss would have sent us spiraling out of control. Playing with a bad wing he put the team on his shoulders as he put up over 200 yards. He wasn’t done.. he iced the game as he ran by half the defense all the way to the house. When asked how was it dealing with Odell Beckham? All the Ravens said simultaneously.. Nevermore.
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