Reading tea leaves. How did so many get it / call it.

[TEM]

 How did so many fans get it right?  Yet talking heads "draft experts" Was QB, QB,QB
 even my stats came up with him as the highest probability @ 31.14%.  The next closest was 18.3% for pick 5

The Mock draft contest was 69% accurate on player and 85% on position picked.   (Considering the scope on how small sample size is (13), That spectacular when you consider (my stats had 23 players with a % of statistical probability over 5 position groups for the 6 pick.) 
 
Me I went with stats and ignored the noise.  I will say this. The stats fell apart after pick 15.  (A bit disappointed) I will keep trying. I was expecting 35% on player and 60% on position.  But the first 15 picks. I was 45% player and 70% on position . It literally outperformed most draft analysts.

Stats aside.

How did so many non-Football experts get it right? 
 
Joe Schoen: 
April 10th, 2024

"We have multiple needs. We are going into Year 3. People assume we're going quarterback, but we have other needs. If the quarterbacks go 1–4, then we're getting the second-best position player, not quarterback, at six, which is OK, too. That player will really help us

This tells me they had no intention in Drafting McCarthy with 6. (ever) That 4th QB was decoy. I believe (an educated guess) they had these 6 players on their board in in this order. They were getting one of them.

 My stats had the for the Giants with pick 6 Without moving up 
At:
Williams 0.8%
Daniels 7%
Maye 2.7%
Harrison Jr 1%
Nabers 31%

April 18th:

Does Schoen agree with draft pundits hyping this year's wide receivers? "

JOE SCHOEN:
I do think it's a deep receiver draft. I do think there are -- again, they come in different shapes and sizes and speeds, but I do think it's a deep wide receiver draft from top to bottom, depending on what you're looking for. Some added value with guys, the new kickoff rules, the guys that can also do returns. I think there's an added element there too, and there's some receivers that can wear multiple hats, not just as a receiver, but also as a returner. Yeah, I do think it's a good draft."


You pass on that guy, pass on that quarterback, and then he becomes a star for somebody else. Rather than swinging and missing.

 JOE SCHOEN:
You've got to be comfortable. We're having all those conversations now. It's not just the quarterback position. There are other positions. Again, I think, when they're all on the same level, a lot of times you've got a corner on this line and a defensive tackle on this line. That's where you take in the team need if you see them equally, in terms of the prospect and the grades you have on them.
You let your board talk to you. You go through all these conversations. Again, we're going to do what's best for the franchise in all of our meetings and all of our preparation and set the board on what's best for the New York Giants.



I'm confident we're going to get a good player next Thursday, whatever position that is, and we'll sleep good at night knowing we did all the preparation and we let the board talk to us.

IMO
These bolded lines are cryptic, but at the same time.  They Are saying exactly what I always say. You do not draft a QB to Draft a QB. If any member of the GM's draft team has any reservation on drafting QB X on Pick Z . The GM has to run away from the QB.   With that said. If one of the top 3 QBs fell to them or if the FO was able to move up. He would have pulled the trigger.


The giant FO knew who was going to be there. 
A) Harrison if AZ moved down to if not the Giants
B) Malik Nabers

 You thoughts.  How did fans get it correct. Most talking heads get it wrong? 

[bluebuddha]

Apr 27, 2024 8:02:56 GMT -5 TEM said:

 How did so many fans get it right?  Yet talking heads "draft experts" Was QB, QB,QB
 even my stats came up with him as the highest probability @ 31.14%.  The next closest was 18.3% for pick 5

The Mock draft contest was 69% accurate on player and 85% on position picked.   (Considering the scope on how small sample size is (13), That spectacular when you consider (my stats had 23 players with a % of statistical probability over 5 position groups for the 6 pick.) 
 
Me I went with stats and ignored the noise.  I will say this. The stats fell apart after pick 15.  (A bit disappointed) I will keep trying. I was expecting 35% on player and 60% on position.  But the first 15 picks. I was 45% player and 70% on position . It literally outperformed most draft analysts.

Stats aside.

How did so many non-Football experts get it right? 
 
Joe Schoen: 
April 10th, 2024

"We have multiple needs. We are going into Year 3. People assume we're going quarterback, but we have other needs. If the quarterbacks go 1–4, then we're getting the second-best position player, not quarterback, at six, which is OK, too. That player will really help us

This tells me they had no intention in Drafting McCarthy with 6. (ever) That 4th QB was decoy. I believe (an educated guess) they had these 6 players on their board in in this order. They were getting one of them.

 My stats had the for the Giants with pick 6 Without moving up 
At:
Williams 0.8%
Daniels 7%
Maye 2.7%
Harrison Jr 1%
Nabers 31%

April 18th:

Does Schoen agree with draft pundits hyping this year's wide receivers? "

JOE SCHOEN:
I do think it's a deep receiver draft. I do think there are -- again, they come in different shapes and sizes and speeds, but I do think it's a deep wide receiver draft from top to bottom, depending on what you're looking for. Some added value with guys, the new kickoff rules, the guys that can also do returns. I think there's an added element there too, and there's some receivers that can wear multiple hats, not just as a receiver, but also as a returner. Yeah, I do think it's a good draft."


You pass on that guy, pass on that quarterback, and then he becomes a star for somebody else. Rather than swinging and missing.

 JOE SCHOEN:
You've got to be comfortable. We're having all those conversations now. It's not just the quarterback position. There are other positions. Again, I think, when they're all on the same level, a lot of times you've got a corner on this line and a defensive tackle on this line. That's where you take in the team need if you see them equally, in terms of the prospect and the grades you have on them.
You let your board talk to you. You go through all these conversations. Again, we're going to do what's best for the franchise in all of our meetings and all of our preparation and set the board on what's best for the New York Giants.



I'm confident we're going to get a good player next Thursday, whatever position that is, and we'll sleep good at night knowing we did all the preparation and we let the board talk to us.

IMO
These bolded lines are cryptic, but at the same time.  They Are saying exactly what I always say. You do not draft a QB to Draft a QB. If any member of the GM's draft team has any reservation on drafting QB X on Pick Z . The GM has to run away from the QB.   With the said. If one of the top 3 QBs fell to them or if the FO was able to move up. He would have pulled the trigger.


The giant FO knew who was going to be there. 
A) Harrison if AZ moved down to if not the Giants
B) Malik Nabers

 You thoughts.  How did fans get it correct. Most talking heads get it wrong? 

Good stuff...but when fans can pick what the GM is going to pick. That means other GMs know his moves as also. This years draft contest made me weary that Schoen might be getting predictable.

[TEM]

Apr 27, 2024 8:05:44 GMT -5 bluebuddha said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:02:56 GMT -5 TEM said:

 How did so many fans get it right?  Yet talking heads "draft experts" Was QB, QB,QB
 even my stats came up with him as the highest probability @ 31.14%.  The next closest was 18.3% for pick 5

The Mock draft contest was 69% accurate on player and 85% on position picked.   (Considering the scope on how small sample size is (13), That spectacular when you consider (my stats had 23 players with a % of statistical probability over 5 position groups for the 6 pick.) 
 
Me I went with stats and ignored the noise.  I will say this. The stats fell apart after pick 15.  (A bit disappointed) I will keep trying. I was expecting 35% on player and 60% on position.  But the first 15 picks. I was 45% player and 70% on position . It literally outperformed most draft analysts.

Stats aside.

How did so many non-Football experts get it right? 
 
Joe Schoen: 
April 10th, 2024

"We have multiple needs. We are going into Year 3. People assume we're going quarterback, but we have other needs. If the quarterbacks go 1–4, then we're getting the second-best position player, not quarterback, at six, which is OK, too. That player will really help us

This tells me they had no intention in Drafting McCarthy with 6. (ever) That 4th QB was decoy. I believe (an educated guess) they had these 6 players on their board in in this order. They were getting one of them.

 My stats had the for the Giants with pick 6 Without moving up 
At:
Williams 0.8%
Daniels 7%
Maye 2.7%
Harrison Jr 1%
Nabers 31%

April 18th:

Does Schoen agree with draft pundits hyping this year's wide receivers? "

JOE SCHOEN:
I do think it's a deep receiver draft. I do think there are -- again, they come in different shapes and sizes and speeds, but I do think it's a deep wide receiver draft from top to bottom, depending on what you're looking for. Some added value with guys, the new kickoff rules, the guys that can also do returns. I think there's an added element there too, and there's some receivers that can wear multiple hats, not just as a receiver, but also as a returner. Yeah, I do think it's a good draft."


You pass on that guy, pass on that quarterback, and then he becomes a star for somebody else. Rather than swinging and missing.

 JOE SCHOEN:
You've got to be comfortable. We're having all those conversations now. It's not just the quarterback position. There are other positions. Again, I think, when they're all on the same level, a lot of times you've got a corner on this line and a defensive tackle on this line. That's where you take in the team need if you see them equally, in terms of the prospect and the grades you have on them.
You let your board talk to you. You go through all these conversations. Again, we're going to do what's best for the franchise in all of our meetings and all of our preparation and set the board on what's best for the New York Giants.



I'm confident we're going to get a good player next Thursday, whatever position that is, and we'll sleep good at night knowing we did all the preparation and we let the board talk to us.

IMO
These bolded lines are cryptic, but at the same time.  They Are saying exactly what I always say. You do not draft a QB to Draft a QB. If any member of the GM's draft team has any reservation on drafting QB X on Pick Z . The GM has to run away from the QB.   With the said. If one of the top 3 QBs fell to them or if the FO was able to move up. He would have pulled the trigger.


The giant FO knew who was going to be there. 
A) Harrison if AZ moved down to if not the Giants
B) Malik Nabers

 You thoughts.  How did fans get it correct. Most talking heads get it wrong? 

Good stuff...but when fans can pick what the GM is going to pick. That means other GMs know his moves as also. This years draft contest made me weary that Schoen might be getting predictable.

That assessment can hold validity.  Very plausible. 

[McCherry]

Apr 27, 2024 8:02:56 GMT -5 TEM said:

 How did so many fans get it right?  Yet talking heads "draft experts" Was QB, QB,QB
 even my stats came up with him as the highest probability @ 31.14%.  The next closest was 18.3% for pick 5

The Mock draft contest was 69% accurate on player and 85% on position picked.   (Considering the scope on how small sample size is (13), That spectacular when you consider (my stats had 23 players with a % of statistical probability over 5 position groups for the 6 pick.) 
 
Me I went with stats and ignored the noise.  I will say this. The stats fell apart after pick 15.  (A bit disappointed) I will keep trying. I was expecting 35% on player and 60% on position.  But the first 15 picks. I was 45% player and 70% on position . It literally outperformed most draft analysts.

Stats aside.

How did so many non-Football experts get it right? 

Because you didn't have to be a genius to figure it out. The WR's were by far the best BPA it was blatantly obvious.

QB was always the main priority, but it was never in their control. We were either going to move up for a QB or take WR.

Who didn't know this?

[TEM]

Apr 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5 McCherry said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:02:56 GMT -5 TEM said:

 How did so many fans get it right?  Yet talking heads "draft experts" Was QB, QB,QB
 even my stats came up with him as the highest probability @ 31.14%.  The next closest was 18.3% for pick 5

The Mock draft contest was 69% accurate on player and 85% on position picked.   (Considering the scope on how small sample size is (13), That spectacular when you consider (my stats had 23 players with a % of statistical probability over 5 position groups for the 6 pick.) 
 
Me I went with stats and ignored the noise.  I will say this. The stats fell apart after pick 15.  (A bit disappointed) I will keep trying. I was expecting 35% on player and 60% on position.  But the first 15 picks. I was 45% player and 70% on position . It literally outperformed most draft analysts.

Stats aside.

How did so many non-Football experts get it right? 
 
Joe Schoen: 
April 10th, 2024

"We have multiple needs. We are going into Year 3. People assume we're going quarterback, but we have other needs. If the quarterbacks go 1–4, then we're getting the second-best position player, not quarterback, at six, which is OK, too. That player will really help us

This tells me they had no intention in Drafting McCarthy with 6. (ever) That 4th QB was decoy. I believe (an educated guess) they had these 6 players on their board in in this order. They were getting one of them.

 My stats had the for the Giants with pick 6 Without moving up 
At:
Williams 0.8%
Daniels 7%
Maye 2.7%
Harrison Jr 1%
Nabers 31%

April 18th:

Does Schoen agree with draft pundits hyping this year's wide receivers? "

JOE SCHOEN:
I do think it's a deep receiver draft. I do think there are -- again, they come in different shapes and sizes and speeds, but I do think it's a deep wide receiver draft from top to bottom, depending on what you're looking for. Some added value with guys, the new kickoff rules, the guys that can also do returns. I think there's an added element there too, and there's some receivers that can wear multiple hats, not just as a receiver, but also as a returner. Yeah, I do think it's a good draft."


You pass on that guy, pass on that quarterback, and then he becomes a star for somebody else. Rather than swinging and missing.

 JOE SCHOEN:
You've got to be comfortable. We're having all those conversations now. It's not just the quarterback position. There are other positions. Again, I think, when they're all on the same level, a lot of times you've got a corner on this line and a defensive tackle on this line. That's where you take in the team need if you see them equally, in terms of the prospect and the grades you have on them.
You let your board talk to you. You go through all these conversations. Again, we're going to do what's best for the franchise in all of our meetings and all of our preparation and set the board on what's best for the New York Giants.



I'm confident we're going to get a good player next Thursday, whatever position that is, and we'll sleep good at night knowing we did all the preparation and we let the board talk to us.

IMO
These bolded lines are cryptic, but at the same time.  They Are saying exactly what I always say. You do not draft a QB to Draft a QB. If any member of the GM's draft team has any reservation on drafting QB X on Pick Z . The GM has to run away from the QB.   With that said. If one of the top 3 QBs fell to them or if the FO was able to move up. He would have pulled the trigger.


The giant FO knew who was going to be there. 
A) Harrison if AZ moved down to if not the Giants
B) Malik Nabers

 You thoughts.  How did fans get it correct. Most talking heads get it wrong? 

You didn't have to be a genius to figure this out. The WR's were by far the best BPA it was blatantly obvious.

QB was always the main priority, but it was never in their control. We were either going to move up for a QB or take WR.

Who didn't know this?

Yet most of the pundits had us taking JJ.

[McCherry]

Apr 27, 2024 8:26:39 GMT -5 TEM said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5 McCherry said:

You didn't have to be a genius to figure this out. The WR's were by far the best BPA it was blatantly obvious.

QB was always the main priority, but it was never in their control. We were either going to move up for a QB or take WR.

Who didn't know this?

Yet most of the pundits had us taking JJ.

Not most.

Some did, so did a a lot of fans.

[BigBlueDog42]

I thought everyone and their mother thought the Giants were taking a QB for sure think in 2 to 4 years we will know more if some of these guys they passed on are carrying a team and the team isn't carrying them Schoen and Daboll might be in trouble.

That said he chose roster building the roster needed a lot I think Nabors was graded top 3 in this draft, I also think they have DJ with 3 years left we hate it, but they might look at it like when they do draft a guy his rookie deal will not over lap with couple years of DJs contract.

They might choose to roster build a year more maybe even let DJ go if Lock shows he can be reliable and win games enough to be competitive.

As far as the draft goes it fell about how thought stud WR first the need was huge in the secondary Nubin was the best safety in the draft right now they could change later and CB was huge they got a tough gritty kid who likes to mis it up in the run game and pass.

Gotta see how these 3 drafts classes develop but i'm ok with the way they are doing things.

[GameTime]

how many of these talking heads had multiple mocks as well.

Were these draft guesses what they ""wanted the NYGs to do or what they think they would do based on the real draft analysis. Such as stats, percentages and BPA etc.

[Rangers13]

If the Giants find themselves hovering around .500 all of the above will be calling for the GM and HC heads

[BigBlueDog42]

Apr 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5 McCherry said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:02:56 GMT -5 TEM said:

 How did so many fans get it right?  Yet talking heads "draft experts" Was QB, QB,QB
 even my stats came up with him as the highest probability @ 31.14%.  The next closest was 18.3% for pick 5

The Mock draft contest was 69% accurate on player and 85% on position picked.   (Considering the scope on how small sample size is (13), That spectacular when you consider (my stats had 23 players with a % of statistical probability over 5 position groups for the 6 pick.) 
 
Me I went with stats and ignored the noise.  I will say this. The stats fell apart after pick 15.  (A bit disappointed) I will keep trying. I was expecting 35% on player and 60% on position.  But the first 15 picks. I was 45% player and 70% on position . It literally outperformed most draft analysts.

Stats aside.

How did so many non-Football experts get it right? 

Because you didn't have to be a genius to figure it out. The WR's were by far the best BPA it was blatantly obvious.

QB was always the main priority, but it was never in their control. We were either going to move up for a QB or take WR.

Who didn't know this?

This was fairly easy to get what the 3 positions they were gonna pick DB wether safety or CB was a big need question is do they grab Rattler top 4 or do they grab a kid like Christian Mahogany for the interior.

[TEM]

Apr 27, 2024 8:28:56 GMT -5 McCherry said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:26:39 GMT -5 TEM said:

Yet most of the pundits had us taking JJ.

Not most.

Some did, so did a a lot of fans.

 In My twitter feed.  One of the pundits Fireside Giants.....The Giants Report were pushing  along with The talking heads were pushing A QB with 6.  Most of the Run of the mill fans were countering with WR.  

I really believe, I didn't think this until this draft. QB=click bait.  I still do not think this a good class. Here is my reasoning. The Who is described. What and Where is there. The why is missing.  And conveniently missing when it comes to QB.

I still say the best QB in the class is Pennix. He has a lot of Brett Farve. Throw it up for grabs, I don't give a F. Go catch the ball.  That QB attitude ( Eli had that too) always does well in the league. 

[TEM]

Apr 27, 2024 8:38:45 GMT -5 GameTime said:

how many of these talking heads had multiple mocks as well.

Were these draft guesses what they ""wanted the NYGs to do or what they think they would do based on the real draft analysis. Such as stats, percentages and BPA etc.

I downloaded hundreds (20-30) pages of Mocks from a mock dumpsite on each player in the first round  (40) Most of it was QB only 32% had us takin a WR.

Here is the site I imported the raw data from and ran a probability calculator. 


www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/

[McCherry]

Apr 27, 2024 8:44:08 GMT -5 TEM said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:28:56 GMT -5 McCherry said:

Not most.

Some did, so did a a lot of fans.

 In My twitter feed.  One of the pundits Fireside Giants.....The Giants Report were pushing  along with The talking heads were pushing A QB with 6.  Most of the Run of the mill fans were countering with WR.  

I really believe, I didn't think this until this draft. QB=click bait.  I still do not think this a good class. Here is my reasoning. The Who is described. What and Where is there. The why is missing.  And conveniently missing when it comes to QB.

I still say the best QB in the class is Pennix. He has a lot of Brett Farve. Throw it up for grabs, I don't give a F. Go catch the ball.  That QB attitude ( Eli had that too) always does well in the league. 

We know 100% that Giants wanted Maye and were in discussions to get him. That's not click bait whether or not you thought he was the best QB or not, 

We're all happy about Nabers, but he was our second choice. 

[Rangers13]

Do we not believe the Giants contacted the Patriots to move up?

[BigBlueDog42]

Apr 27, 2024 8:39:04 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

If the Giants find themselves hovering around .500 all of the above will be calling for the GM and HC heads

I think if they 7-10 the seat is hot anything above that Mara will stand pat this is years 3 and he wants to keep one crew in place for a while make no mistake John Mara gave his blessing for them to draft a QB.

He also still believes in Jones this is either the start for Jones or finally the end, he has 0 excuses he has quick answers for quick pressure who can make teams pay.

[McCherry]

Apr 27, 2024 8:40:57 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5 McCherry said:

Because you didn't have to be a genius to figure it out. The WR's were by far the best BPA it was blatantly obvious.

QB was always the main priority, but it was never in their control. We were either going to move up for a QB or take WR.

Who didn't know this?

This was fairly easy to get what the 3 positions they were gonna pick DB wether safety or CB was a big need question is do they grab Rattler top 4 or do they grab a kid like Christian Mahogany for the interior.

I can't believe this was a shock to anyone. If they draft a DT today, this will be the first draft I can recall where they nailed all the top needs in order.

[Kruunch]

Apr 27, 2024 8:44:08 GMT -5 TEM said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:28:56 GMT -5 McCherry said:

Not most.

Some did, so did a a lot of fans.

 In My twitter feed.  One of the pundits Fireside Giants.....The Giants Report were pushing  along with The talking heads were pushing A QB with 6.  Most of the Run of the mill fans were countering with WR.  

I really believe, I didn't think this until this draft. QB=click bait.  I still do not think this a good class. Here is my reasoning. The Who is described. What and Where is there. The why is missing.  And conveniently missing when it comes to QB.

I still say the best QB in the class is Pennix. He has a lot of Brett Farve. Throw it up for grabs, I don't give a F. Go catch the ball.  That QB attitude ( Eli had that too) always does well in the league. 

Brett Favre also had a rifle for an arm.. He could thread the needle and make you an ugly sweater at the same time. That only does well when you have a head coach who will live with the turnovers. It comes with territory of being a gunslinger.. 

[Rangers13]

Apr 27, 2024 8:51:33 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:39:04 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

If the Giants find themselves hovering around .500 all of the above will be calling for the GM and HC heads

I think if they 7-10 the seat is hot anything above that Mara will stand pat this is years 3 and he wants to keep one crew in place for a while make no mistake John Mara gave his blessing for them to draft a QB.

He also still believes in Jones this is either the start for Jones or finally the end, he has 0 excuses he has quick answers for quick pressure who can make teams pay.

this group made their bed.  Go win now

assuming the Jets will be winning, we all know what’s coming.  Better win Giants

[BigBlueDog42]

Apr 27, 2024 8:44:08 GMT -5 TEM said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:28:56 GMT -5 McCherry said:

Not most.

Some did, so did a a lot of fans.

 In My twitter feed.  One of the pundits Fireside Giants.....The Giants Report were pushing  along with The talking heads were pushing A QB with 6.  Most of the Run of the mill fans were countering with WR.  

I really believe, I didn't think this until this draft. QB=click bait.  I still do not think this a good class. Here is my reasoning. The Who is described. What and Where is there. The why is missing.  And conveniently missing when it comes to QB.

I still say the best QB in the class is Pennix. He has a lot of Brett Farve. Throw it up for grabs, I don't give a F. Go catch the ball.  That QB attitude ( Eli had that too) always does well in the league. 

Thing he does not have that Farve had was a pocket presence that buys time in todays NFL these QBs will be schemed up for success thats why Washington hired Kingsberry his system is taylor made for Jayden Daniels who lived off teh slot fade, he has comparable arm talent to Jones believe it or not. 
I will give it 4 years with these guys some land in favorable places JJ has the best WR in the NFL and a solid roster, Nix will have Payton who turned Hill into a threat Penix will sit and learn for a while which he needs but has the arm, Caleb is with an up and coming team and they got him great weapon, Maye will have the toughest time he needs to sit a year that roster in NE is bad.  

[BigBlueDog42]

Apr 27, 2024 8:55:32 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:51:33 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

I think if they 7-10 the seat is hot anything above that Mara will stand pat this is years 3 and he wants to keep one crew in place for a while make no mistake John Mara gave his blessing for them to draft a QB.

He also still believes in Jones this is either the start for Jones or finally the end, he has 0 excuses he has quick answers for quick pressure who can make teams pay.

this group made their bed.  Go win now

assuming the Jets will be winning, we all know what’s coming.  Better win Giants

They made their bed with the owners favorite sheets lol.

I do hope they  win I'm exhausted with change it just means another restart even tho I think if they ddi have to restart the next guys is getting a lot more talent than DG or Schoen inherited it could turn pretty fast from here once they find a QB.   

[McCherry]

Apr 27, 2024 8:55:32 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Apr 27, 2024 8:51:33 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

I think if they 7-10 the seat is hot anything above that Mara will stand pat this is years 3 and he wants to keep one crew in place for a while make no mistake John Mara gave his blessing for them to draft a QB.

He also still believes in Jones this is either the start for Jones or finally the end, he has 0 excuses he has quick answers for quick pressure who can make teams pay.

this group made their bed.  Go win now

assuming the Jets will be winning, we all know what’s coming.  Better win Giants

I would never assume that. Even if they had God as their QB.

[jaymas]

I mean, they tried really hard to trade up for a QB, so it wasn't that off.

I don't think any of this has to do with belief in Jones, it's that they had one guy in their sights that they thought was worth it and tried everything they could to get him. If they actually believed in Jones that's not on the table at all.

It happens. Now you do your best to build the team you have.

It's no more complicated than that.

[jaymas]

If the Patriots didn't also really need a QB and a different team was in that position, I'd say it's almost guaranteed we'd have Drake Maye right now.

But if you're the Pats, there is no offer that should knock you off who you think Tom Brady's replacement should be since Mac didn't work out.

[TEM]

Apr 27, 2024 9:11:16 GMT -5 jaymas said:

I mean, they tried really hard to trade up for a QB, so it wasn't that off.

I do not think it was. It was farfetched   I pondered that. The team is in bad shape. Logically the FO could never afford the QB tax.  It would have handcuffed the FO on completing the roster over the next 2 season possibly 3 Yeah, they tried.  No way the FO had the means to sell the farm.  It was a pipe dream and never going to happen.

[jaymas]

Apr 27, 2024 9:15:23 GMT -5 TEM said:

Apr 27, 2024 9:11:16 GMT -5 jaymas said:

I mean, they tried really hard to trade up for a QB, so it wasn't that off.

I do not think it was. It was farfetched   I pondered that. The team is in bad shape. Logically the FO could never afford the QB tax.  It would have handcuffed the FO on completing the roster over the next 2 season possibly 3 Yeah, they tried.  No way the FO had the means to sell the farm.  It was a pipe dream and never going to happen.

In a year where the team you're trying to to trade up with doesn't also need a QB, the Giants offer is probably accepted every time.

[McCherry]

Apr 27, 2024 9:15:23 GMT -5 TEM said:

Apr 27, 2024 9:11:16 GMT -5 jaymas said:

I mean, they tried really hard to trade up for a QB, so it wasn't that off.

I do not think it was. It was farfetched   I pondered that. The team is in bad shape. Logically the FO could never afford the QB tax.  It would have handcuffed the FO on completing the roster over the next 2 season possibly 3 Yeah, they tried.  No way the FO had the means to sell the farm.  It was a pipe dream and never going to happen.

It wasn't far fetched if their were in trade discussions all the way up to the draft

The Giants were after Maye, If not for DeVito playing way over his head last year, Maye would be a NY Giant today.

[TEM]

Apr 27, 2024 9:32:56 GMT -5 jaymas said:

Apr 27, 2024 9:15:23 GMT -5 TEM said:

I do not think it was. It was farfetched   I pondered that. The team is in bad shape. Logically the FO could never afford the QB tax.  It would have handcuffed the FO on completing the roster over the next 2 season possibly 3 Yeah, they tried.  No way the FO had the means to sell the farm.  It was a pipe dream and never going to happen.

In a year where the team you're trying to to trade up with doesn't also need a QB, the Giants offer is probably accepted every time.

IDK: QBs always bring a premium price. It is the nature of the commodity. We gave up a lot for Eli. And that was 20 years ago.

[jaymas]

Apr 27, 2024 9:35:04 GMT -5 TEM said:

Apr 27, 2024 9:32:56 GMT -5 jaymas said:

In a year where the team you're trying to to trade up with doesn't also need a QB, the Giants offer is probably accepted every time.

IDK: QBs always bring a premium price. It is the nature of the commodity. We gave up a lot for Eli. And that was 20 years ago.

The issue is NE was going to ask more than that because they also needed a QB. I'm good, all day, every day, giving up what we gave up for Eli.

NE wasn't gonna take an Eli haul because they wanted Maye too. And it's not like the Eli situation where we could just draft the QB they really wanted.

[TEM]

Apr 27, 2024 9:34:59 GMT -5 McCherry said:

Apr 27, 2024 9:15:23 GMT -5 TEM said:

I do not think it was. It was farfetched   I pondered that. The team is in bad shape. Logically the FO could never afford the QB tax.  It would have handcuffed the FO on completing the roster over the next 2 season possibly 3 Yeah, they tried.  No way the FO had the means to sell the farm.  It was a pipe dream and never going to happen.

It wasn't far fetched if their were in trade discussions. 

The Giants were after Maye, If not for DeVito playing way over his head last year, Maye would be a NY Giant today.

The Giants threw a price out there. Then walked away when the bait was not taken. I think they knew there was a very low probability it was going to be taken.

Me I am glad the GM stuck to his value and did not get into a lose your shirt situation. 

[te88]

Apr 27, 2024 9:39:35 GMT -5 TEM said:

Apr 27, 2024 9:34:59 GMT -5 McCherry said:

It wasn't far fetched if their were in trade discussions. 

The Giants were after Maye, If not for DeVito playing way over his head last year, Maye would be a NY Giant today.

The Giants threw a price out there. Then walked away when the bait was not taken. I think they knew there was a very low probability it was going to be taken.

Me I am glad the GM stuck to his value and did not get into a lose your shirt situation. 

If we are believing the reports, the Vikings offered even more than the Giants and were rebuffed.

There was zero reason for NE to trade. The people who wanted a QB should understand that more than anyone.