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Post by Nite on May 3, 2024 8:12:39 GMT -5
I'm so glad we addressed the QB issu...... uh .... ....
Well then I'm really happy that we fixed that horrendous O.......ummm ........ Oh .
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 3, 2024 8:13:39 GMT -5
Cue up the “kill the messenger” defense from the usual suspects.
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Post by Nite on May 3, 2024 8:16:50 GMT -5
Cue up the “kill the messenger” defense from the usual suspects. Yup I was going to include that in my post.. along with no OL!, give him more time! Phil Simms thinks hes going to be great et al |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 3, 2024 8:43:25 GMT -5
Cue up the “kill the messenger” defense from the usual suspects. Yup I was going to include that in my post.. along with no OL!, give him more time! Phil Simms thinks hes going to be great et al Jones is cooked it still not wise to reach for a QB the what was left no one was trading up for Giants need a QB maybe Lock wins the Job but they will be back in the market come April 2025. At this time 2023 Daniels was considered a 3rd or 4th rounder McCarthy wa though of about the same Penix was debatable if he wa sdrfat able and if he did prove to be healthy with no ill affects was not considered a first rounder. Next year there will be the same 2 or 3 top guys one riser will probably be Millroe believe me there will be QBs worth drafting. Jones is Danny done to many bad years and to many injuries. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 3, 2024 8:47:42 GMT -5
Cue up the “kill the messenger” defense from the usual suspects. Yup I was going to include that in my post.. along with no OL!, give him more time! Phil Simms thinks hes going to be great et al Speaking of… “imagine if the anti Jones haters wanted to get rid of Simms after year six like they are with Jones….” |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 3, 2024 9:02:53 GMT -5
Yup I was going to include that in my post.. along with no OL!, give him more time! Phil Simms thinks hes going to be great et al Speaking of… “imagine if the anti Jones haters wanted to get rid of Simms after year six like they are with Jones….” 2 different worlds in the Salary cap era kid don't get the time they used to to develop back then QBs had at least a year on the bench. The Salary cap ended Simms career the Giants couldn't afford him and he wasn't gonna go some where else. Just part of the business today I do feel for these kids they want to be good and help their teams win sometimes the cards are stacked against them Jones was draft to the wrong place at the wrong time think he needs a new home and the Giants needed a undamaged young QB. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 3, 2024 9:03:48 GMT -5
Speaking of… “imagine if the anti Jones haters wanted to get rid of Simms after year six like they are with Jones….” 2 different worlds in the Salary cap era kid don't get the time they used to to develop back then QBs had at least a year on the bench. The Salary cap ended Simms career the Giants couldn't afford him and he wasn't gonna go some where else. Just part of the business today I do feel for these kids they want to be good and help their teams win sometimes the cards are stacked against them Jones was draft to the wrong place at the wrong time think he needs a new home and the Giants needed a undamaged young QB. Oh I fully get it. Some don’t. |
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Post by DJones19 on May 3, 2024 9:41:32 GMT -5
Looks like bad coaching.
Wandale whiffing missing blocks left and right...backup guards playing left tackle?
Stone foot Neal drafted top 10.
Why is a lower tier offensive guard playing left tackle?
Bad roster building, ...seems like the staff's philosophy is to be "multiple". I've noticed that's been a popular football buzz word in the last few years but hasn't been working when applied to offensive lineman. The staff intentionally picks out players that have experience playing both guard and tackle instead of specialists at their position. Having o-lineman be multiple in that they are interchangeable at guard, tackle, etc but not good at either position has been a disaster for us. Daboll is an inexperienced head coach, I hope the new lineman coach can talk some sense into Daboll and free Jones to do what he does best.
Is there a worse team in the league at drafting, coaching, and acquiring olineman over the past 10 years?
I'd like to see this guy breakdown Joe Burrow's multiple 5 turnover games.
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Post by DJones19 on May 3, 2024 9:57:16 GMT -5
Would anyone like to do a breakdown of these 5 turnovers from Joe Cool?
Joe Cool may not be fixable.
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Post by myronguyton29 on May 3, 2024 10:02:11 GMT -5
WANDALE had better clean that Isshhhhh up this year!!!!!!!!
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Post by Nite on May 3, 2024 10:04:43 GMT -5
Yup I was going to include that in my post.. along with no OL!, give him more time! Phil Simms thinks hes going to be great et al Jones is cooked it still not wise to reach for a QB the what was left no one was trading up for Giants need a QB maybe Lock wins the Job but they will be back in the market come April 2025. At this time 2023 Daniels was considered a 3rd or 4th rounder McCarthy wa though of about the same Penix was debatable if he wa sdrfat able and if he did prove to be healthy with no ill affects was not considered a first rounder. Next year there will be the same 2 or 3 top guys one riser will probably be Millroe believe me there will be QBs worth drafting. Jones is Danny done to many bad years and to many injuries. Well, we don't know how good the guys available at no. 6 will be (Nix, Penix, JJ). You can't go with a few highlight videos you have to look at a body of work. Unfortunately in our situation BPA was not an option given our dire QB situation. I think 2 out of the 3 available would be decent starter type. BPA is afforded to teams with established QBs and at least a half-assed OL |
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Post by cdngfan on May 3, 2024 10:09:17 GMT -5
Fixable/not fixable really isn’t part of the discussion anymore, at least not for me.
It’s playing well/not playing well.
He’s going to start when healthy. If we’re winning and he’s playing well (probably correlated), he’ll keep playing. If we’re losing and he’s not playing well, I think they’ll absolutely hand the ball to Lock.
I think JS and Dabs will be managing short term outcomes instead of trying to build Jones. Building Jones (with Dabs coaching) was a 22’ and 23’ mission.
24’ and 25’ is about wins. They tried to trade up for Maye. If there was a honeymoon for DJ and Dabs, it’s probably over.
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Post by myronguyton29 on May 3, 2024 10:14:54 GMT -5
and why is he saying left tackle when it was the right in the video lmmfao............ lmfao my bad  |
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Post by jmike on May 3, 2024 10:22:40 GMT -5
Cue up the “kill the messenger” defense from the usual suspects. Not going to kill the messenger or his message. But I will hope he is wrong. I hope I am wrong. I hope that Jones morphs into a premier QB in the NFL somehow this season. Because I'm a Giants fan and that would be good for the Giants this season. I don't see what purpose is served by Giants fans continuing to bash the guy at this point. Either he improves, is replaced or continues as is and nothing we say, analyze, or do will change what happens this season. We will just have to watch and hope. |
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Post by Roosevelt on May 3, 2024 10:33:31 GMT -5
I'm so glad we addressed the QB issu...... uh .... .... Well then I'm really happy that we fixed that horrendous O.......ummm ........ Oh . I'm going to go out on a limb without clicking on that video and guess that the person who made it has a) Never played pro football, b) Never played the position, c) Prays that people will watch this video, or d) is Mike Lombardi.
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Post by myronguyton29 on May 3, 2024 10:35:15 GMT -5
and on the last INT I believe, so the 4th or 5th that's on the qb, the guy says a reciever is open in the middle. Waller is sort of kinda open but there's the Lb right on him as well as another lb so not really open open and a good chance of a knockdown or maybe even Int if he doesn't rifle it in...
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Post by hadenough on May 3, 2024 10:37:16 GMT -5
Daniel Jones wasn’t very good at Duke. Daniel Jones hasn’t been very good in the NFL. There’s 9 years of evidence he’s not very good.
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Post by Modog on May 3, 2024 10:41:20 GMT -5
Daniel Jones wasn’t very good at Duke. Daniel Jones hasn’t been very good in the NFL. There’s 9 years of evidence he’s not very good. There is a massive sample size, showing he's not good or a difference maker. Yet it's excuse after excuse with this guy |
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Post by cdngfan on May 3, 2024 10:51:54 GMT -5
Cue up the “kill the messenger” defense from the usual suspects. Not going to kill the messenger or his message. But I will hope he is wrong. I hope I am wrong. I hope that Jones morphs into a premier QB in the NFL somehow this season. Because I'm a Giants fan and that would be good for the Giants this season. I don't see what purpose is served by Giants fans continuing to bash the guy at this point. Either he improves, is replaced or continues as is and nothing we say, analyze, or do will change what happens this season. We will just have to watch and hope. good take. Some people are as much a fan of their own opinions as they are the team. I don’t think Jones will be anything more than he was in 22’, and that’s just not good enough. But holy cow does it ever turn out great for us if I’m wrong. So why wouldn’t I hope for that? Why would anyone use 6 words to say they hope DJ is better than they think and 75 to say why he never ever will be? There’s a glee to that opinion they can’t hide. Your post is the opposite, pessimism with a genuine hope that you’re wrong. |
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Post by Martin on May 3, 2024 10:53:36 GMT -5
Cue up the “kill the messenger” defense from the usual suspects. Not going to kill the messenger or his message. But I will hope he is wrong. I hope I am wrong. I hope that Jones morphs into a premier QB in the NFL somehow this season. Because I'm a Giants fan and that would be good for the Giants this season. I don't see what purpose is served by Giants fans continuing to bash the guy at this point. Either he improves, is replaced or continues as is and nothing we say, analyze, or do will change what happens this season. We will just have to watch and hope. I am not a big Jones fan but I want him to play great this year. If your a Giants fan why would you not? D Jones had no control over who took him in the draft and he did not create the contract that the Giants gave him. The Giants did all that and could not come up with an Oline and weapons worth a damn for years now. This goes far beyond D Jones being a problem. (which he is responsible in part) But its a Giants organization problem and has been for a long time. IF the oline is better (fingers crossed) and these new weapons pan out maybe Jones or Lock can help improve the team in the win column. As you mention we can only sit and wait. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 3, 2024 11:00:24 GMT -5
Cue up the “kill the messenger” defense from the usual suspects. Not going to kill the messenger or his message. But I will hope he is wrong. I hope I am wrong. I hope that Jones morphs into a premier QB in the NFL somehow this season. Because I'm a Giants fan and that would be good for the Giants this season. Right there with you. This is a fan forum to come and present opinions and counters. It’s all about perspective. And it’s the culture of fan forums to have a wide gamut of varying opinions. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 3, 2024 11:16:42 GMT -5
Jones is cooked it still not wise to reach for a QB the what was left no one was trading up for Giants need a QB maybe Lock wins the Job but they will be back in the market come April 2025. At this time 2023 Daniels was considered a 3rd or 4th rounder McCarthy wa though of about the same Penix was debatable if he wa sdrfat able and if he did prove to be healthy with no ill affects was not considered a first rounder. Next year there will be the same 2 or 3 top guys one riser will probably be Millroe believe me there will be QBs worth drafting. Jones is Danny done to many bad years and to many injuries. Well, we don't know how good the guys available at no. 6 will be (Nix, Penix, JJ). You can't go with a few highlight videos you have to look at a body of work. Unfortunately in our situation BPA was not an option given our dire QB situation. I think 2 out of the 3 available would be decent starter type. BPA is afforded to teams with established QBs and at least a half-assed OL Thats how teams like the Giants went form contender to toilet bowl in a matter of 4 years reaching for needs not building the best team you can with BPA I watched Washington whole games and Michigan Giants liked those guys but not at 6 which was right not to reach if you don't have conviction. |
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Post by jmike on May 3, 2024 11:16:50 GMT -5
I'm so glad we addressed the QB issu...... uh .... .... Well then I'm really happy that we fixed that horrendous O.......ummm ........ Oh . I'm going to go out on a limb without clicking on that video and guess that the person who made it has a) Never played pro football, b) Never played the position, c) Prays that people will watch this video, or d) is Mike Lombardi.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 3, 2024 11:17:36 GMT -5
Daniel Jones wasn’t very good at Duke. Daniel Jones hasn’t been very good in the NFL. There’s 9 years of evidence he’s not very good. There is a massive sample size, showing he's not good or a difference maker. Yet it's excuse after excuse with this guy If I were to show you Archie Manning's stats you would look at them and think he sucked. But the truth is he played on awful teams. Now I can't tell you how good the guy would have been had he played for a better franchise, but I'd say the majority of fans new that his team sucked and weren't naive enough to blame him for team's failure.
Take Eli Manning's game from 2011 to 2013. Do you think Eli became a terrible QB over the course of 3 seasons when he was 30 to 33 years old?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 3, 2024 11:19:12 GMT -5
Cue up the “kill the messenger” defense from the usual suspects. Not going to kill the messenger or his message. But I will hope he is wrong. I hope I am wrong. I hope that Jones morphs into a premier QB in the NFL somehow this season. Because I'm a Giants fan and that would be good for the Giants this season. I don't see what purpose is served by Giants fans continuing to bash the guy at this point. Either he improves, is replaced or continues as is and nothing we say, analyze, or do will change what happens this season. We will just have to watch and hope. We all hope except for a select few if he does what we mostly think he can't he saves a lot of time and growing pains for the franchise. |
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Post by Kruunch on May 3, 2024 11:23:50 GMT -5
We’ll have an easier time fixing world hunger.. **** him.. This is what happens when you shop for quarterbacks at the thrift store.
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Post by hadenough on May 3, 2024 11:24:43 GMT -5
Daniel Jones wasn’t very good at Duke. Daniel Jones hasn’t been very good in the NFL. There’s 9 years of evidence he’s not very good. There is a massive sample size, showing he's not good or a difference maker. Yet it's excuse after excuse with this guy Difference maker is the key. Is he average…probably. Is he good…likely not. Is he a difference maker…NO. |
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Post by jmike on May 3, 2024 11:26:19 GMT -5
Not going to kill the messenger or his message. But I will hope he is wrong. I hope I am wrong. I hope that Jones morphs into a premier QB in the NFL somehow this season. Because I'm a Giants fan and that would be good for the Giants this season. Right there with you. This is a fan forum to come and present opinions and counters. It’s all about perspective. And it’s the culture of fan forums to have a wide gamut of varying opinions. Which is fine, but how many times are we going to regurgitate the same argument? We all know each other's opinions on the subject at this point, what is gained by continuing to discuss something that isn't changing any time soon. Might as well give the guy a clean slate right now and react and review how he does this pre-season and regular season. Because nothing is going to change with him between now and the start of camp. We might as well discuss who the Giants should have hired instead of Dave Gettleman. Sure there is an argument to be had there, but what is the point of it right now? Same with Jones, he's our QB until he isn't. Few of us think he is any good or worth the contract but all of us hope that he is. So lets roll from there and see what happens instead of biting at each others ankles on every third thread over things we've already discussed ad nauseum? |
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Post by jaymas on May 3, 2024 11:30:40 GMT -5
Of course, he's probably not fixable.
The dude was last aggressive his rookie year and has never really been trusted to run a full offense; when he has, has processed slowly.
He was also coached by Joe Judge in his two most important years, developmentally speaking.
The guy has both failed himself, and others have failed any chance he had to reach his ceiling (if his ceiling is higher than 2019 and 2022...who knows if it actually is).
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Post by McCherry on May 3, 2024 11:32:11 GMT -5
Not going to kill the messenger or his message. But I will hope he is wrong. I hope I am wrong. I hope that Jones morphs into a premier QB in the NFL somehow this season. Because I'm a Giants fan and that would be good for the Giants this season. I don't see what purpose is served by Giants fans continuing to bash the guy at this point. Either he improves, is replaced or continues as is and nothing we say, analyze, or do will change what happens this season. We will just have to watch and hope. good take. Some people are as much a fan of their own opinions as they are the team. I don’t think Jones will be anything more than he was in 22’, and that’s just not good enough. But holy cow does it ever turn out great for us if I’m wrong. So why wouldn’t I hope for that? Why would anyone use 6 words to say they hope DJ is better than they think and 75 to say why he never ever will be? There’s a glee to that opinion they can’t hide. Your post is the opposite, pessimism with a genuine hope that you’re wrong. I don't completely agree. 67% comp rate. 1.2% INT rate. Top-5 red zone conversion in bad offense. That efficiency works any year. Now you get a guy who can turn a 7 yard pass into 60-yard TD. Get some pass protection. Suddenly you see more points. Sustained drives, big plays. Can they settle things on the offense to where Jones can get back to that comfort he had prior to last year? This is the question. |
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