1st round Rookie Wide receivers

[TEM]

    
As I always do.  I ran the numbers on first year success / NFL readiness for Rookie WRs

The results were intriguing. 

Link to data


There were 99 WR taken in the first round since 2000
Not one taken with the first pick.

The average (entire first round) success for a rook in his first season:
574 yards 
3 TD
69 targets
40 catches
53% reception percentage. 

Top 10 Picks 
629 yards
4 TDs
87 targets
46 catches
49% reception percentage

The Giants had 3 picks in 1st round since 2000
Odell Beckham Jr. pick 12
Kadarius Toney pick 20
Hakeem Nicks pick 29

The 2 WRs taken with the 6th pick 
Averaged 987 yards, 7 TDs, 118 targets, 79 catches, 56% reception 

Here is the cool stuff:

5 WRs were awarded Rookie of the year honors. 3 of them from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase
Justin Jefferson
Odell Beckham Jr.

The top 4 yards producers out of all 99 were also from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase........1455
Justin Jefferson......1400
Odell Beckham Jr...1305
Michael Clayton......1193

Top 2 TD reception in their rookie from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase......13
Odell Beckham Jr....12

2 of the top 3 in catches in their rookie year also from LSU
2nd Odell Beckham Jr.
3rd Justin Jefferson.


Conclusion:
LSU produces 1st round NFL ready WRs 

[TheAussieGiant]

I have more faith in Malik to duplicate these numbers than I do Jones or Lock to get him the ball.

I really hope one of them clicks this season and we get to see their best

[giantbob71]

May 3, 2024 10:20:47 GMT -5 TEM said:

    
As I always do.  I ran the numbers on first year success / NFL readiness for Rookie WRs

The results were intriguing. 

Link to data


There were 99 WR taken in the first round since 2000
Not one taken with the first pick.

The average (entire first round) success for a rook in his first season:
574 yards 
3 TD
69 targets
40 catches
53% reception percentage. 

Top 10 Picks 
629 yards
4 TDs
87 targets
46 catches
49% reception percentage

The Giants had 3 picks in 1st round since 2000
Odell Beckham Jr. pick 12
Kadarius Toney pick 20
Hakeem Nicks pick 29

The 2 WRs taken with the 6th pick 
Averaged 987 yards, 7 TDs, 118 targets, 79 catches, 56% reception 

Here is the cool stuff:

5 WRs were awarded Rookie of the year honors. 3 of them from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase
Justin Jefferson
Odell Beckham Jr.

The top 4 yards producers out of all 99 were also from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase........1455
Justin Jefferson......1400
Odell Beckham Jr...1305
Michael Clayton......1193

Top 2 TD reception in their rookie from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase......13
Odell Beckham Jr....12

2 of the top 3 in catches in their rookie year also from LSU
2nd Odell Beckham Jr.
3rd Justin Jefferson.


Conclusion:
LSU produces 1st round NFL ready WRs 

QBs of the 4 LSU WRs (yards)...

1. Joe Burrow (HOF talent)
2. Kirk Cousins (Damn good QB)
3. Eli Manning (HOF)
4. Brian Griese and Brad Johnson

I'll take the under on Nabers getting 1000 yards. If he's legit, other than him, the Giants have no real scary weapons. Even if he starts out hot, defenses can key on him.

If both stay healthy, I'll predict Drake London has a better season than Nabers. London finally has a QB. I'll also predict Nabers to have a Slayton-type year with DJ, Lock, and Devito. 800ish yards and 4-7 TDs.

[te88]

No joke, the LSU guys all have tattoos that say “wide receiver type shit”

They take a lot of pride in being the best and holding up the legacy and reputation.

[Analyst]

LSU and Alabama have put out phenomenal WRs the past couple of decades.

Hopefully Nabers is the next one.

[TEM]

May 4, 2024 0:24:14 GMT -5 giantbob71 said:

May 3, 2024 10:20:47 GMT -5 TEM said:

    
As I always do.  I ran the numbers on first year success / NFL readiness for Rookie WRs

The results were intriguing. 

Link to data


There were 99 WR taken in the first round since 2000
Not one taken with the first pick.

The average (entire first round) success for a rook in his first season:
574 yards 
3 TD
69 targets
40 catches
53% reception percentage. 

Top 10 Picks 
629 yards
4 TDs
87 targets
46 catches
49% reception percentage

The Giants had 3 picks in 1st round since 2000
Odell Beckham Jr. pick 12
Kadarius Toney pick 20
Hakeem Nicks pick 29

The 2 WRs taken with the 6th pick 
Averaged 987 yards, 7 TDs, 118 targets, 79 catches, 56% reception 

Here is the cool stuff:

5 WRs were awarded Rookie of the year honors. 3 of them from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase
Justin Jefferson
Odell Beckham Jr.

The top 4 yards producers out of all 99 were also from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase........1455
Justin Jefferson......1400
Odell Beckham Jr...1305
Michael Clayton......1193

Top 2 TD reception in their rookie from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase......13
Odell Beckham Jr....12

2 of the top 3 in catches in their rookie year also from LSU
2nd Odell Beckham Jr.
3rd Justin Jefferson.


Conclusion:
LSU produces 1st round NFL ready WRs 

QBs of the 4 LSU WRs (yards)...

1. Joe Burrow (HOF talent)
2. Kirk Cousins (Damn good QB)
3. Eli Manning (HOF)
4. Brian Griese and Brad Johnson

I'll take the under on Nabers getting 1000 yards. If he's legit, other than him, the Giants have no real scary weapons. Even if he starts out hot, defenses can key on him.

If both stay healthy, I'll predict Drake London has a better season than Nabers. London finally has a QB. I'll also predict Nabers to have a Slayton-type year with DJ, Lock, and Devito. 800ish yards and 4-7 TDs.

I am not sure itis all QB. Or who the QB is. The stats say it wasn't. The route has to be run. The DB has to be beat. The ball has to be caught. Yeah, the WR is a dependent position.  At the same time. The QB is starting, so he has the tools. 

if you looked at the stats, As I did.  (that is my hobby) The 6th WR in Yardage was Garrett Wilson in 2022, 1103 yards. What Jet QB was throwing to him?

To me the stats suggest if the QB and WR are on the same page (route, catch window, timing,) It works.  With rookie 1st round WRs. Statistically it is a little over 50% of the time.  And expected. They are inherently green behind the ears. But the stats show LUS is the best School at grooming WRs. (for rookies success) The rest of them there is a learning curve. 

For me, anything over 900 yards, and 5 TD with a 55% Catch ratio, would be phenomenal.

The averages say  575 3  53%.  Is what most achieve, Not bad for a rookie either. 

[Kruunch]

There’s something lurking in the treacherous waters of the Bayou besides crocodiles.. That school has spit out wide receivers like an assembly line.

[shocknaweny]

LSU is receiver U 

[Jomo]

Interesting stuff and thanks for doing this.
There are always a few more variables to consider like the quality of the team they played for and of course the QB which was mentioned.
I also look at OBJ's position for total yards and recall he started only 11 games that year, playing in 12.
That's insane productivity. I wonder how the others in the top 5 would look. Did most play 16 games?

[Roswell]

May 4, 2024 8:11:33 GMT -5 TEM said:

May 4, 2024 0:24:14 GMT -5 giantbob71 said:

QBs of the 4 LSU WRs (yards)...

1. Joe Burrow (HOF talent)
2. Kirk Cousins (Damn good QB)
3. Eli Manning (HOF)
4. Brian Griese and Brad Johnson

I'll take the under on Nabers getting 1000 yards. If he's legit, other than him, the Giants have no real scary weapons. Even if he starts out hot, defenses can key on him.

If both stay healthy, I'll predict Drake London has a better season than Nabers. London finally has a QB. I'll also predict Nabers to have a Slayton-type year with DJ, Lock, and Devito. 800ish yards and 4-7 TDs.

I am not sure itis all QB. Or who the QB is. The stats say it wasn't. The route has to be run. The DB has to be beat. The ball has to be caught. Yeah, the WR is a dependent position.  At the same time. The QB is starting, so he has the tools. 

if you looked at the stats, As I did.  (that is my hobby) The 6th WR in Yardage was Garrett Wilson in 2022, 1103 yards. What Jet QB was throwing to him?

To me the stats suggest if the QB and WR are on the same page (route, catch window, timing,) It works.  With rookie 1st round WRs. Statistically it is a little over 50% of the time.  And expected. They are inherently green behind the ears. But the stats show LUS is the best School at grooming WRs. (for rookies success) The rest of them there is a learning curve. 

For me, anything over 900 yards, and 5 TD with a 55% Catch ratio, would be phenomenal.

The averages say  575 3  53%.  Is what most achieve, Not bad for a rookie either. 

TEM

If I ever see a Giant lab coat, I’m buying it and sending to your house.

Thanks for all these correlated posts. They’re very insightful.

[bluebuddha]

May 4, 2024 8:11:33 GMT -5 TEM said:

May 4, 2024 0:24:14 GMT -5 giantbob71 said:

QBs of the 4 LSU WRs (yards)...

1. Joe Burrow (HOF talent)
2. Kirk Cousins (Damn good QB)
3. Eli Manning (HOF)
4. Brian Griese and Brad Johnson

I'll take the under on Nabers getting 1000 yards. If he's legit, other than him, the Giants have no real scary weapons. Even if he starts out hot, defenses can key on him.

If both stay healthy, I'll predict Drake London has a better season than Nabers. London finally has a QB. I'll also predict Nabers to have a Slayton-type year with DJ, Lock, and Devito. 800ish yards and 4-7 TDs.

I am not sure itis all QB. Or who the QB is. The stats say it wasn't. The route has to be run. The DB has to be beat. The ball has to be caught. Yeah, the WR is a dependent position.  At the same time. The QB is starting, so he has the tools. 

if you looked at the stats, As I did.  (that is my hobby) The 6th WR in Yardage was Garrett Wilson in 2022, 1103 yards. What Jet QB was throwing to him?

To me the stats suggest if the QB and WR are on the same page (route, catch window, timing,) It works.  With rookie 1st round WRs. Statistically it is a little over 50% of the time.  And expected. They are inherently green behind the ears. But the stats show LUS is the best School at grooming WRs. (for rookies success) The rest of them there is a learning curve. 

For me, anything over 900 yards, and 5 TD with a 55% Catch ratio, would be phenomenal.

The averages say  575 3  53%.  Is what most achieve, Not bad for a rookie either. 

Good stuff TEM. The Giants haven't had a rookie get over 800 yards recieving since 2018 with Saquon. Last 1000 yard WR was ODB in 2018. The last 5 years I don't think anyone broke 800 yards receiving and even more embarrassed bringing up TD receptions. 3 coaches , 4 offensive coordinators have not been able to get WRs and the Qb on the same page. I sure hope Nabers is the guy to elevate our passing game to atleast an average NFL passing offense.

Atleast he can take short passes the distance and we are one of the worst teams in explosive passing plays and with SB gone there goes our remaining explosive plays.

[BigBlueDog42]

May 3, 2024 10:20:47 GMT -5 TEM said:

    
As I always do.  I ran the numbers on first year success / NFL readiness for Rookie WRs

The results were intriguing. 

Link to data


There were 99 WR taken in the first round since 2000
Not one taken with the first pick.

The average (entire first round) success for a rook in his first season:
574 yards 
3 TD
69 targets
40 catches
53% reception percentage. 

Top 10 Picks 
629 yards
4 TDs
87 targets
46 catches
49% reception percentage

The Giants had 3 picks in 1st round since 2000
Odell Beckham Jr. pick 12
Kadarius Toney pick 20
Hakeem Nicks pick 29

The 2 WRs taken with the 6th pick 
Averaged 987 yards, 7 TDs, 118 targets, 79 catches, 56% reception 

Here is the cool stuff:

5 WRs were awarded Rookie of the year honors. 3 of them from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase
Justin Jefferson
Odell Beckham Jr.

The top 4 yards producers out of all 99 were also from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase........1455
Justin Jefferson......1400
Odell Beckham Jr...1305
Michael Clayton......1193

Top 2 TD reception in their rookie from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase......13
Odell Beckham Jr....12

2 of the top 3 in catches in their rookie year also from LSU
2nd Odell Beckham Jr.
3rd Justin Jefferson.


Conclusion:
LSU produces 1st round NFL ready WRs 

It is not common practice WRs going in the top 10 from what I have read, this was an unusual class with different shapes and sizes.

Tell you what Nabors looks as explosive if not more than all of the LSU kids now we gotta see on the field don't think he is gonna have any issues. 

[TEM]

May 4, 2024 13:54:30 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

May 3, 2024 10:20:47 GMT -5 TEM said:

    
As I always do.  I ran the numbers on first year success / NFL readiness for Rookie WRs

The results were intriguing. 

Link to data


There were 99 WR taken in the first round since 2000
Not one taken with the first pick.

The average (entire first round) success for a rook in his first season:
574 yards 
3 TD
69 targets
40 catches
53% reception percentage. 

Top 10 Picks 
629 yards
4 TDs
87 targets
46 catches
49% reception percentage

The Giants had 3 picks in 1st round since 2000
Odell Beckham Jr. pick 12
Kadarius Toney pick 20
Hakeem Nicks pick 29

The 2 WRs taken with the 6th pick 
Averaged 987 yards, 7 TDs, 118 targets, 79 catches, 56% reception 

Here is the cool stuff:

5 WRs were awarded Rookie of the year honors. 3 of them from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase
Justin Jefferson
Odell Beckham Jr.

The top 4 yards producers out of all 99 were also from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase........1455
Justin Jefferson......1400
Odell Beckham Jr...1305
Michael Clayton......1193

Top 2 TD reception in their rookie from LSU
Ja'Marr Chase......13
Odell Beckham Jr....12

2 of the top 3 in catches in their rookie year also from LSU
2nd Odell Beckham Jr.
3rd Justin Jefferson.


Conclusion:
LSU produces 1st round NFL ready WRs 

It is not common practice WRs going in the top 10 from what I have read, this was an unusual class with different shapes and sizes.

Tell you what Nabors looks as explosive if not more than all of the LSU kids now we gotta see on the field don't think he is gonna have any issues. 

33 were taken in the past 24 Drafts 2000-2023.  An average of 4 wide receivers taken top 10 in every 3 draft years.   None taken in 18,19 or 20, 3 taken in 17, 2 in 21 and 22. none in 23. It depends on the class.

[Danke Schoen]

Certain fans: Yeah well if Jones had a Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson to throw to he'd be a top QB in the NFL also.

Same fans when Nabers is drafted: WTF?! How is Jones supposed to succeed with no OL?!!? We should have drafted Alt!!!!

[miggs]

Nice to hear from Schoen that the Giants still have no OL. Tells me the OL must be pretty good.

[moecoastie]

Great post! Good stuff!

I'm always weary of drafting WRs in the 1st round but LSU is definitely the place to pull from if you had to.

[myronguyton29]

yezzirrrr yezzirrrr let's get it let's get it . I said last year I believe there was something special brewing.....

I kinda feel something but right now my mouth is zipped until further notice lol lol...............

[inthezone]

May 4, 2024 11:37:28 GMT -5 Roswell said:

May 4, 2024 8:11:33 GMT -5 TEM said:

I am not sure itis all QB. Or who the QB is. The stats say it wasn't. The route has to be run. The DB has to be beat. The ball has to be caught. Yeah, the WR is a dependent position.  At the same time. The QB is starting, so he has the tools. 

if you looked at the stats, As I did.  (that is my hobby) The 6th WR in Yardage was Garrett Wilson in 2022, 1103 yards. What Jet QB was throwing to him?

To me the stats suggest if the QB and WR are on the same page (route, catch window, timing,) It works.  With rookie 1st round WRs. Statistically it is a little over 50% of the time.  And expected. They are inherently green behind the ears. But the stats show LUS is the best School at grooming WRs. (for rookies success) The rest of them there is a learning curve. 

For me, anything over 900 yards, and 5 TD with a 55% Catch ratio, would be phenomenal.

The averages say  575 3  53%.  Is what most achieve, Not bad for a rookie either. 

TEM

If I ever see a Giant lab coat, I’m buying it and sending to your house.

Thanks for all these correlated posts. They’re very insightful.

I will always think he's wearing this coat every time I read his responses. 

[giantsalmon]

I'm a naturally optimistic person(thanks Mom) but today I'm feeling even more so. Thanks TEM, after reading your summary I am remembering Bills fans wondering if Josh Allen would EVER throw for 300 yds in a game--the off season before Stephon Diggs was acquired.
Adding that WR completely transformed not only Allen but the entire Bills offense. I'm not saying that Jones can overcome becoming shell shocked but now at least Jones or Lock have a shot.

[IrishMike]

<abbr>I'll wager that Nabers will be someplace between the average yards for a first round WR and the season Jefferson had.
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</abbr>

<abbr>People can say and think what they want about Jones but we have seen him put up big numbers and sling the ball all over. Consistency is what has killed him. With improved OL play and this fantastic WR corps and Dabs I think we might actually be a really good offense.
</abbr>

<abbr></abbr>

[jaymas]

May 6, 2024 11:07:07 GMT -5 IrishMike said:

<abbr>I'll wager that Nabers will be someplace between the average yards for a first round WR and the season Jefferson had.
</abbr>

<abbr>
</abbr>

<abbr>People can say and think what they want about Jones but we have seen him put up big numbers and sling the ball all over. Consistency is what has killed him. With improved OL play and this fantastic WR corps and Dabs I think we might actually be a really good offense.
</abbr>

<abbr></abbr>

When has Jones out up big numbers outside of his rookie year? Or do you mean a game here and there where he's done that?

[Nick6475]

May 6, 2024 11:22:01 GMT -5 jaymas said:

May 6, 2024 11:07:07 GMT -5 IrishMike said:

<abbr>I'll wager that Nabers will be someplace between the average yards for a first round WR and the season Jefferson had.
</abbr>

<abbr>
</abbr>

<abbr>People can say and think what they want about Jones but we have seen him put up big numbers and sling the ball all over. Consistency is what has killed him. With improved OL play and this fantastic WR corps and Dabs I think we might actually be a really good offense.
</abbr>

<abbr></abbr>

When has Jones out up big numbers outside of his rookie year? Or do you mean a game here and there where he's done that?

If you extrapolate the 2nd half of the Cards game to a full season.

4,352 passing yards
1,003 rushing yards
34 passing TDs
17 rushing TDs

Luckily, nothing ever goes wrong with extrapolating data from a small sample size!

[jmike]

For Reference, here are all the 1st round WRs since 2000 with their pick number and college:

2000
4-Peter Warrick Florida State
8-Plaxico Burress Michigan State
10-Travis Taylor Florida
21-Sylvester Morris Jackson State
29-R. Jay Soward USC

2001
8-David Terrell Michigan
9-Koren Robinson NC State
15-Rod Gardner Clemson
16-Santana Moss Miami
25-Freddie Mitchell UCLA
30-Reggie Wayne Miami

2002
13-Donte' Stallworth Tennessee
19-Ashley Lelie Hawaii
20-Javon Walker Florida State

2003
2 Charles Rogers Michigan State
3 Andre Johnson Miami
17 Bryant Johnson Penn State

2004
3 Larry Fitzgerald Cardinals Pittsburgh
7 Roy Williams Lions Texas
9 Reggie Williams Jaguars Washington
13 Lee Evans Bills Wisconsin
15 Michael Clayton Buccaneers Louisiana State
29 Michael Jenkins Falcons Ohio State
31 Rashaun Woods 49ers Oklahoma State

2005
3 Braylon Edwards Browns Michigan
7 Troy Williamson Vikings South Carolina
10 Mike Williams Lions USC
21 Matt Jones Jaguars Arkansas
22 Mark Clayton Ravens Oklahoma
27 Roddy White Falcons Alabama-Birmingham

2006
25 Santonio Holmes Steelers Ohio State

2007
2 Calvin Johnson Lions Georgia Tech
9 Ted Ginn Dolphins Ohio State
23 Dwayne Bowe Chiefs Louisiana State
27 Robert Meachem Saints Tennessee
30 Craig Davis Chargers Louisiana State
32 Anthony Gonzalez Colts Ohio State

2008

2009
7 Darrius Heyward-Bey Raiders Maryland
10 Michael Crabtree 49ers Texas Tech
19 Jeremy Maclin Eagles Missouri
22 Percy Harvin Vikings Florida
29 Hakeem Nicks Giants North Carolina
30 Kenny Britt Titans Rutgers

2010
22 Demaryius Thomas Broncos Georgia Tech
24 Dez Bryant Cowboys Oklahoma State

2011
4 A.J. Green Bengals Georgia
6 Julio Jones Falcons Alabama
26 Jonathan Baldwin Chiefs Pittsburgh

2012
5 Justin Blackmon Jaguars Oklahoma State
13 Michael Floyd Cardinals Notre Dame
20 Kendall Wright Titans Baylor
30 A.J. Jenkins 49ers Illinois

2013
8 Tavon Austin Rams West Virginia
27 DeAndre Hopkins Texans Clemson
29 Cordarrelle Patterson Vikings Tennessee

2014
4 Sammy Watkins Bills Clemson
7 Mike Evans Buccaneers Texas A&M
12 Odell Beckham Giants Louisiana State
20 Brandin Cooks Saints Oregon State
28 Kelvin Benjamin Panthers Florida State

2015
4 Amari Cooper Raiders Alabama
7 Kevin White Bears West Virginia
14 DeVante Parker Dolphins Louisville
20 Nelson Agholor Eagles USC
26 Breshad Perriman Ravens Central Florida
29 Phillip Dorsett Colts Miami (FL)

2016
15 Corey Coleman Browns Baylor
21 Will Fuller Texans Notre Dame
22 Josh Doctson Redskins Texas Christian
23 Laquon Treadwell Vikings Mississippi

2017
5 Corey Davis Titans Western Michigan
7 Mike Williams Chargers Clemson
9 John Ross Bengals Washington

2018
24 D.J. Moore Panthers Maryland
26 Calvin Ridley Falcons Alabama

2019
25 Marquise Brown Ravens Oklahoma
32 N'Keal Harry Patriots Arizona State

2020
12 Henry Ruggs Raiders Alabama
15 Jerry Jeudy Broncos Alabama
17 CeeDee Lamb Cowboys Oklahoma
21 Jalen Reagor Eagles Texas Christian
22 Justin Jefferson Vikings Louisiana State
25 Brandon Aiyuk 49ers Arizona State

2021
5 Ja'Marr Chase Bengals Louisiana State
6 Jaylen Waddle Dolphins Alabama
10 DeVonta Smith Eagles Alabama
20 Kadarius Toney Giants Florida
27 Rashod Bateman Ravens Minnesota

2022
8 Drake London Falcons USC
10 Garrett Wilson Jets Ohio State
11 Chris Olave Saints Ohio State
12 Jameson Williams Lions Alabama
16 Jahan Dotson Commanders Penn State
18 Treylon Burks Titans Arkansas

2023
20 Jaxon Smith-Njigba Seahawks Ohio State
21 Quentin Johnston Chargers Texas Christian
22 Zay Flowers Ravens Boston College
23 Jordan Addison Vikings USC

[IrishMike]

May 6, 2024 11:22:01 GMT -5 jaymas said:

May 6, 2024 11:07:07 GMT -5 IrishMike said:

<abbr>I'll wager that Nabers will be someplace between the average yards for a first round WR and the season Jefferson had.
</abbr>

<abbr>
</abbr>

<abbr>People can say and think what they want about Jones but we have seen him put up big numbers and sling the ball all over. Consistency is what has killed him. With improved OL play and this fantastic WR corps and Dabs I think we might actually be a really good offense.
</abbr>

<abbr></abbr>

When has Jones out up big numbers outside of his rookie year? Or do you mean a game here and there where he's done that?

Wasn't my intent to make this about Jones. We've had this discussion over and over on this forum no need to have it again.

Bottom line is Nabers is an incredible talent and adding him to Robinson and Hyatt will make a great WR group.

[jaymas]

May 6, 2024 15:14:32 GMT -5 IrishMike said:

May 6, 2024 11:22:01 GMT -5 jaymas said:

When has Jones out up big numbers outside of his rookie year? Or do you mean a game here and there where he's done that?

Wasn't my intent to make this about Jones. We've had this discussion over and over on this forum no need to have it again.

Bottom line is Nabers is an incredible talent and adding him to Robinson and Hyatt will make a great WR group.

Agree with your last sentence wholeheartedily.

Having a hard time believing "you didn't intend to make it about Jones" when 3/4 of your post was:

"People can say and think what they want about Jones but we have seen him put up big numbers and sling the ball all over. Consistency is what has killed him."

[Rangers13]

May 4, 2024 9:02:50 GMT -5 shocknaweny said:

LSU is receiver U 

Duke isn’t known much for QB besides Sonny Jurgensen whose stats in a running league blow out Dave Brown and Daniel Jones’ passing league


No excuses for Jones. Throw for at least 30 TDs

[IrishMike]

May 6, 2024 15:39:18 GMT -5 jaymas said:

May 6, 2024 15:14:32 GMT -5 IrishMike said:

Wasn't my intent to make this about Jones. We've had this discussion over and over on this forum no need to have it again.

Bottom line is Nabers is an incredible talent and adding him to Robinson and Hyatt will make a great WR group.

Agree with your last sentence wholeheartedily.

Having a hard time believing "you didn't intend to make it about Jones" when 3/4 of your post was:

"People can say and think what they want about Jones but we have seen him put up big numbers and sling the ball all over. Consistency is what has killed him."

Wasn't my intent to make it about Jones at all. I think we all know where each person on the board stands about it. I think Nabers is talented enough to have amazing success with Jones or Lock or any other QB throwing the ball. That's all I meant. (on a side note, why is the so creepy)