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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 10:57:54 GMT -5
I wonder what the next fabricated controversy about Odell will be?
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 12, 2018 11:33:57 GMT -5
Time to pay the man
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 12, 2018 12:19:29 GMT -5
HIs injury status should make mini camp a non event (other than some two media types who will attempt to make it a story). If there is no movement or conversation at all before then, I think this could be a story in training camp.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 12, 2018 14:29:09 GMT -5
I wonder what the next fabricated controversy about Odell will be?
The next thing will be whether he practices with the team, and then it will be whether he'll show up for training camp.
Looks as though he is getting good advise from Rosenhaus.
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Post by Zimonami on Jun 12, 2018 14:37:42 GMT -5
All the Right Moves.
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Post by TEM on Jun 12, 2018 16:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 12:56:56 GMT -5
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 13, 2018 13:12:01 GMT -5
I don't think quite yet actually. That was a bad injury and we have to make sure we don;t have a repeat of Hakeem Nicks, who had a similar injury and was never the same. The fact that he STILL isn't practicing fully is a bit concerning. i think he needs to show that he still has the same explosiveness and dynamic playmaking ability. If he shows it during the season I can see us trying to sign him before the season is out. |
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 14, 2018 8:26:35 GMT -5
I don't think quite yet actually. That was a bad injury and we have to make sure we don;t have a repeat of Hakeem Nicks, who had a similar injury and was never the same. The fact that he STILL isn't practicing fully is a bit concerning. i think he needs to show that he still has the same explosiveness and dynamic playmaking ability. If he shows it during the season I can see us trying to sign him before the season is out. He's been cleared to practice fully by the team physician, for a couple days already. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 14, 2018 9:24:39 GMT -5
I don't think quite yet actually. That was a bad injury and we have to make sure we don;t have a repeat of Hakeem Nicks, who had a similar injury and was never the same. The fact that he STILL isn't practicing fully is a bit concerning. i think he needs to show that he still has the same explosiveness and dynamic playmaking ability. If he shows it during the season I can see us trying to sign him before the season is out. Yeah, you’re probably right on this one, but I think that there will have to be a gentle give-and take on this one — they’ll have to figure out a way for him to show that he still has the same explosiveness and speed, without putting him at too high of an injury risk. For instance, I don’t see him agreeing to play in any preseason games without a contract, and I don’t blame him for that at all |
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 9:29:30 GMT -5
I don't think quite yet actually. That was a bad injury and we have to make sure we don;t have a repeat of Hakeem Nicks, who had a similar injury and was never the same. The fact that he STILL isn't practicing fully is a bit concerning. i think he needs to show that he still has the same explosiveness and dynamic playmaking ability. If he shows it during the season I can see us trying to sign him before the season is out. Yeah, you’re probably right on this one, but I think that there will have to be a gentle give-and take on this one — they’ll have to figure out a way for him to show that he still has the same explosiveness and speed, without putting him at too high of an injury risk. For instance, I don’t see him agreeing to play in any preseason games without a contract, and I don’t blame him for that at all Agree to play? He HAS a contract. he is a signed player on our team. he doesn't get to refuse to play. If he does....that will be a huge problem for our team. That might be the end of Odell here actually. |
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Post by Zimonami on Jun 14, 2018 9:40:14 GMT -5
Yeah, you’re probably right on this one, but I think that there will have to be a gentle give-and take on this one — they’ll have to figure out a way for him to show that he still has the same explosiveness and speed, without putting him at too high of an injury risk. For instance, I don’t see him agreeing to play in any preseason games without a contract, and I don’t blame him for that at all Agree to play? He HAS a contract. he is a signed player on our team. he doesn't get to refuse to play. If he does....that will be a huge problem for our team. That might be the end of Odell here actually. He said before he didn't want to play preseason. Who knows what agreement they'll come to on that... lot's will depend on the real status of his injury, Meanwhile, I agree with MH, and I've said this before. Let him prove he is what he was for at least the first 6-8 games of the season. If he is his old self, then a new contract has to be ironed out. But, he has to prove he still has the goods. So far Rosenhaus seems to be advising him properly.... show up and try to keep a low profile.... work out a practice/playing arrangement with the coach based on real status of the recovery. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 14, 2018 9:44:02 GMT -5
Even if he is 110% healed and healthy, you could put up a good argument from the Giants perspective to hold him out of preseason games regardless of whether or not he wants to play.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 9:49:16 GMT -5
Yeah, you’re probably right on this one, but I think that there will have to be a gentle give-and take on this one — they’ll have to figure out a way for him to show that he still has the same explosiveness and speed, without putting him at too high of an injury risk. For instance, I don’t see him agreeing to play in any preseason games without a contract, and I don’t blame him for that at all Agree to play? He HAS a contract. he is a signed player on our team. he doesn't get to refuse to play. If he does....that will be a huge problem for our team. That might be the end of Odell here actually. I disagree. Nobody is going to get bent out of shape over pre-season games. Beckham knows how to take care of himself through an injury (evidence season 1 when the hammy kept him out and we had TC huffing and puffing about being on the field...then the kid says he is ready and proceeds to set rookie records). He will play when the season starts. Gettlemans health has probably bought everybody some time. There might be some contract angst but nothing major. League wide many players have held out of team activities with no end in sight. Odell will get through this with little drama I suspect. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 10:00:08 GMT -5
Agree to play? He HAS a contract. he is a signed player on our team. he doesn't get to refuse to play. If he does....that will be a huge problem for our team. That might be the end of Odell here actually. I disagree. Nobody is going to get bent out of shape over pre-season games. Beckham knows how to take care of himself through an injury (evidence season 1 when the hammy kept him out and we had TC huffing and puffing about being on the field...then the kid says he is ready and proceeds to set rookie records). He will play when the season starts. Gettlemans health has probably bought everybody some time. There might be some contract angst but nothing major. League wide many players have held out of team activities with no end in sight. Odell will get through this with little drama I suspect. I know he got hurt last preseason, but generally speaking, not playing in preseason is good way to get hurt. Not being in football shape, especially coming off an injury like that is a very dangerous thing to do. But as a general rule, you can't have players making decisions about playing time. It would set a terrible precedent, especially for a new regime. Either way, it would be extremely unwise for us to sign Odell to an extension without seeing him play in games. One, to see if he still has the same explosiveness, agility and athleticism as before the injury, and two to see if he can actually stay on the field. I'm sorry Odell, it's a bad break, but we have already seen a great Giants WR destroyed by an injury like that. |
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 14, 2018 10:53:23 GMT -5
Yeah, you’re probably right on this one, but I think that there will have to be a gentle give-and take on this one — they’ll have to figure out a way for him to show that he still has the same explosiveness and speed, without putting him at too high of an injury risk. For instance, I don’t see him agreeing to play in any preseason games without a contract, and I don’t blame him for that at all Agree to play? He HAS a contract. he is a signed player on our team. he doesn't get to refuse to play. If he does....that will be a huge problem for our team. That might be the end of Odell here actually. Considering the (hopefully) all around improvements to our team, future acquisitons / contract extensions, and Beckham's past erraticies in big games - is it really such a HUGE problem? |
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 14, 2018 11:35:37 GMT -5
Yeah, you’re probably right on this one, but I think that there will have to be a gentle give-and take on this one — they’ll have to figure out a way for him to show that he still has the same explosiveness and speed, without putting him at too high of an injury risk. For instance, I don’t see him agreeing to play in any preseason games without a contract, and I don’t blame him for that at all Agree to play? He HAS a contract. he is a signed player on our team. he doesn't get to refuse to play. If he does....that will be a huge problem for our team. That might be the end of Odell here actually. Stop it. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 11:42:58 GMT -5
Agree to play? He HAS a contract. he is a signed player on our team. he doesn't get to refuse to play. If he does....that will be a huge problem for our team. That might be the end of Odell here actually. Stop it. I guess I'm just a tad old school. I actually think coaches need to make those decisions and not the players. I suppose i'm just a dinosaur. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 11:43:34 GMT -5
Agree to play? He HAS a contract. he is a signed player on our team. he doesn't get to refuse to play. If he does....that will be a huge problem for our team. That might be the end of Odell here actually. Considering the (hopefully) all around improvements to our team, future acquisitons / contract extensions, and Beckham's past erraticies in big games - is it really such a HUGE problem? Yeah. he's great. (or at least was) |
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 14, 2018 13:37:25 GMT -5
I guess I'm just a tad old school. I actually think coaches need to make those decisions and not the players. I suppose i'm just a dinosaur. I don’t see this argument being made when the owners don’t live up to a contract. DRC had a contract, right? Very few of these guys, who literally scramble their brains for this game, ever have negotiating leverage with their team. They are mostly forced to eat the **** sandwiches fed to them by the team. When one of these guys finally gets some leverage, he should use it IMO.... |
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 14:15:03 GMT -5
I guess I'm just a tad old school. I actually think coaches need to make those decisions and not the players. I suppose i'm just a dinosaur. I don’t see this argument being made when the owners don’t live up to a contract. DRC had a contract, right? Very few of these guys, who literally scramble their brains for this game, ever have negotiating leverage with their team. They are mostly forced to eat the **** sandwiches fed to them by the team. When one of these guys finally gets some leverage, he should use it IMO.... I've always though this was kind of a myth. The Giants did not break DRC's contract. His contract stipulated that he was guaranteed a certain amount of money and could be released if the team thought in necessary. It was IN the contract. The terms above and beyond that guaranteed money was conditional to his being on the roster. They are at the discretion of the team...which the player agrees to. So yes, DRC had a contract and the Giants lived up to every word of it. As far as Odell is concerned he is free to hold out. That is his right and I agree that NFL players have less leverage than players of other sports. That is the nature of the game. There is a big difference between holding out and being at practice but refusing to play in a game.....or even refusing to go to some practices. Or refusing to run routes in practice that he doesn't want to run. That is a case of a player running the team. If he holds out, he is dictating nothing. A player refusing to play in a game can cause huge difficulty to a team. When you hold out you are refusing pay. When you refuse to play or practice you are expecting to be paid AND refusing to play. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 21:44:40 GMT -5
There is no incentive for ODB to play in the preseason and I’m sure PS knows this. Him and Eli have a great connection on the field and once he gets practice reps he’ll be fine.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 22:03:35 GMT -5
There is no incentive for ODB to play in the preseason and I’m sure PS knows this. Him and Eli have a great connection on the field and once he gets practice reps he’ll be fine. If the team decides to sit him that's OK I guess. That is their choice. But the player doesn't get to decide. That would be a terrible precedent to set for this team. The "incentive" would be that the coach puts him in the game. |
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Post by ocgiant on Jun 15, 2018 0:41:22 GMT -5
Dude is getting the best care in the world... this is high stakes for OBJ and he will not take any chances nor should he at this point. There should be no doubt as to when he feels ready to play and until then keep up the rehabbing... the extent of the injury at his age means he should be able to mend well but it cannot be rushed and I think that is how he will play this out.
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