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Post by believernyg10 on Jun 14, 2018 19:31:07 GMT -5
32nd in Total Rushing
32nd in Rushing Yards Per Carry
32nd in Total QB Pressures Allowed
27th in Total Defense
25th in Scoring Defense
Biggest anomaly in NFL History...
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 14, 2018 19:45:20 GMT -5
What's even stranger is that we basically did the same thing twice.
Those teams weren't great teams per se, but played well enough to win their way through the playoffs and we were able to stop Tom Brady.
That is an anomaly.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 14, 2018 20:04:14 GMT -5
both teams came on towards the end of the year, and were just different once the playoffs started (even if we did lose to the 18 - 1 Pats to close the regular season).
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Post by ocgiant on Jun 14, 2018 20:17:51 GMT -5
Dare I say it... Manning was cool and calm throughout the day... throwing the ball pretty good to win that game
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 11:07:26 GMT -5
32nd in Total Rushing 32nd in Rushing Yards Per Carry 32nd in Total QB Pressures Allowed 27th in Total Defense 25th in Scoring Defense Biggest anomaly in NFL History... I’m as objective an Eli critic as anyone. Without his regular season performance, namely in the 4th quarters, there’s no way we get to 9 wins and the playoffs. Then he and the defense lit it up in the SB run. |
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 15, 2018 11:26:40 GMT -5
What's even stranger is that we basically did the same thing twice. Those teams weren't great teams per se, but played well enough to win their way through the playoffs and we were able to stop Tom Brady. That is an anomaly. When a guy who was a substitute high school gym teacher in October picks off Brady in the SB, you know that things were bouncing your way. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 15, 2018 12:10:17 GMT -5
2011 Giants were riddled with injuries to key players such as AB/Tuck & Osi to name a few. None of them got fully healthy until Dec, which coincidently when the team jelled & finally was healthy on both sides of the ball. AB missed the 2 close losses vs SF & Philly. Had he been healthy & played, we might have won those 2 games. Osi only played in 9 games all yr & started 7 of them. Still got 9 sacks. Tuck played in just 12. Eli & the receiving corps carried the team all yr but had those 3 players been healthy all yr, we win more than just 9 games. That Giants team was easily an 11-12 win team if healthy.
Once healthy, during the 6 game win streak vs Jets/Dal/Atl/GB/SF/NE, The Giants O put up 27ppg while the D allowed just 16ppg, they beat GB, the NFC#1 seed in their house & they beat the AFC #1 seed in the SB. In the playoffs, the Giants beat a team with 15 wins, & 2 teams that had 13 wins. A bad team can't do that.
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Post by jaymas on Jun 15, 2018 14:32:31 GMT -5
What's even stranger is that we basically did the same thing twice. Those teams weren't great teams per se, but played well enough to win their way through the playoffs and we were able to stop Tom Brady. That is an anomaly. When a guy who was a substitute high school gym teacher in October picks off Brady in the SB, you know that things were bouncing your way. This about sums it up. |
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Post by ox1 on Jun 15, 2018 18:52:59 GMT -5
2011 Giants were riddled with injuries to key players such as AB/Tuck & Osi to name a few. None of them got fully healthy until Dec, which coincidently when the team jelled & finally was healthy on both sides of the ball. AB missed the 2 close losses vs SF & Philly. Had he been healthy & played, we might have won those 2 games. Osi only played in 9 games all yr & started 7 of them. Still got 9 sacks. Tuck played in just 12. Eli & the receiving corps carried the team all yr but had those 3 players been healthy all yr, we win more than just 9 games. That Giants team was easily an 11-12 win team if healthy. Once healthy, during the 6 game win streak vs Jets/Dal/Atl/GB/SF/NE, The Giants O put up 27ppg while the D allowed just 16ppg, they beat GB, the NFC#1 seed in their house & they beat the AFC #1 seed in the SB. In the playoffs, the Giants beat a team with 15 wins, & 2 teams that had 13 wins. A bad team can't do that. Not sure why many forget how banged up the D was until the end of the year, but that was the key right there........... |
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Post by giantspride4life on Jun 15, 2018 23:20:15 GMT -5
Exactly. Eli nicks and Cruz played incredibly well. That was eli's best season of his career. His performance, especially in 4th quarters were nothing short of remarkable. Had aaron Rodgers not had some crazy year, I believe he threw like 45 tds and 4 picks or something,eli could of been league mvp. He was the only reason we were 7-7 with a terribke run game and defense. However the defense got healthy at the end, the run game improved, eli continued his brilliance and it all clicked from week 16 through the super bowl.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 16, 2018 13:37:11 GMT -5
Exactly. Eli nicks and Cruz played incredibly well. That was eli's best season of his career. His performance, especially in 4th quarters were nothing short of remarkable. Had aaron Rodgers not had some crazy year, I believe he threw like 45 tds and 4 picks or something,eli could of been league mvp. He was the only reason we were 7-7 with a terribke run game and defense. However the defense got healthy at the end, the run game improved, eli continued his brilliance and it all clicked from week 16 through the super bowl. I doubt Manning would have gotten the MVP that year. There were plenty of teams that were much better than the Giants in the 2011 regular season that also had much better offensive stats. Packers, Patriots, Saints, Steelers, Ravens, all had not only better regular season results but better offensive results. In hindsight I absolutely see the argument that Manning could have won it, but I don’t think he was ever truly in the running. In fact, based on the mvp criteria one could make the argument that he should have far and away been the best candidate. But not that’s not how the league MVP works. It’s an award to the best regular season team presented to one player representative from said team. I think of it as the Presidents Trophy for football given to the QB (in nearly all cases). |
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Post by Byron on Jun 16, 2018 14:08:03 GMT -5
they done the one thing they had to do .. get the most points seems normal to me
I will say given what you point out it set up one of the most exciting playoff runs I've witnessed in over 50 years of following the NYG's 07 is right up there with it also ... |
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 16, 2018 19:14:28 GMT -5
I have all four 2011 playoff games on DVD & it amazes me to this day at how badly we beat GB in the div rd & the final score was not indicative of it. The refs were going out of their way to gift wrap GB 2 TDs based on 2 BS calls. They also marked a Giants 1st dn a full yd short on a 3rd dn play that woulda helped us burn more time off the clock & maybe put up more pts as well. Tynes also missed a gimme FG as well. Score could have easily been 40-6 that day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 20:27:20 GMT -5
The stats don’t do it justice but the passing attack was extremely powerful. Then, in the playoffs the D came to life.
But that team was all about the QB and receivers. As Belichick was caught on tape saying “it’s a Cruz and Nicks game”
The receivers were extremely good. Nicks playoffs was one of the best all-time
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 16, 2018 22:02:38 GMT -5
Which goes to show that Eli is a gun slinger type QB, not this dink n dunk WCO type QB that coach Menu tried to turn him into. You need a QB with mobility & athletic skills to run for the 1st dn if the play breaks down, Eli is neither. Give Eli a decent pocket & 3 secs & he'll tear any NFL D apart.
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Post by giantspride4life on Jun 17, 2018 14:04:34 GMT -5
Which goes to show that Eli is a gun slinger type QB, not this dink n dunk WCO type QB that coach Menu tried to turn him into. You need a QB with mobility & athletic skills to run for the 1st dn if the play breaks down, Eli is neither. Give Eli a decent pocket & 3 secs & he'll tear any NFL D apart. Yea that was eli's career best year but also he had dynamic player makers to throw to and a coordinator that opened it up. Fast forward to this year and for the 1st time since we probably have even more dynamic playmakers, and shurmur who is going to open it up and let eli do his thing. The only question is can eli still be that player he was 7 years ago in 2011. I think the answer is yes, but only time will tell. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 17, 2018 14:22:57 GMT -5
I don't see why not. Peyton was 37 when he threw for 5,477yds & an NFL record 55 TDs in 2013. I can see Eli throwing for 4500yds & 35+ TDs this yr.
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Post by giantspride4life on Jun 17, 2018 14:24:28 GMT -5
I can too. Let's hope we're right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 15:47:07 GMT -5
32nd in Total Rushing 32nd in Rushing Yards Per Carry 32nd in Total QB Pressures Allowed 27th in Total Defense 25th in Scoring Defense Biggest anomaly in NFL History... Eli had by far his best season and led us to 4 or 5 last minute wins that year. Then they made some changes to the D come playoff time and the D played much better during the run. It's a shame that there were no other seasons like 2011 from Manning, that was the type of year you hope for from a #1 overall pick and he had 1 of them in 13 seasons. At least they didn't waste it. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 17, 2018 19:26:08 GMT -5
78' SB champ Steelers won 14 games with an O that only put up 22.3 ppg. Course it helps when you have the #1 D that only gives up 195pts or 12.2 ppg on the yr. Giants will go as far as their new style smashmouth clock eating run game & new defense will take em.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 7:38:12 GMT -5
The offense did what it did with such a bad O-line...
After the 2011 year Reese seemed to think the o-line and LB positions weren't important anymore...
We all got to witness just how wrong he was!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 7:44:21 GMT -5
I don't see why not. Peyton was 37 when he threw for 5,477yds & an NFL record 55 TDs in 2013. I can see Eli throwing for 4500yds & 35+ TDs this yr. The why not is that the run game needs to carry this team more so they can control the clock. This defense will not be anywhere as good as the one Peyton had who could get teams off the field... Then again because of the weak defense they might need to score a lot of points to win games but I'm thinking more like playing the same as the Cowboys team from a couple of years ago if this team is to have any chance this year... |
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Post by TEM on Jun 20, 2018 10:12:56 GMT -5
The offense did what it did with such a bad O-line... After the 2011 year Reese seemed to think the o-line and LB positions weren't important anymore... We all got to witness just how wrong he was!!! The LB I can agree with . But that was more of a group mind set . Build a passing team and Stop the pass Defense. That mind set in the NFL is starting to change. The O-line Reese did address 3 draft picks in between the 1st and 2nd round in 3 years, FA were brought in . Just bad luck. |
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Post by jmike on Jun 20, 2018 10:15:42 GMT -5
32nd in Total Rushing 32nd in Rushing Yards Per Carry 32nd in Total QB Pressures Allowed 27th in Total Defense 25th in Scoring Defense Biggest anomaly in NFL History... By beating the Patriots. |
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Post by GameTime on Jun 20, 2018 10:41:25 GMT -5
When a team starts the playoffs the slate is clean. It was a combination of timely good to great play overall and some luck too.
Every championship in any sport, individual or team, you need to have the “ball bounce your way” to ultimately win it all.
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Post by hadenough on Jun 20, 2018 10:46:17 GMT -5
2011 Giants were riddled with injuries to key players such as AB/Tuck & Osi to name a few. None of them got fully healthy until Dec, which coincidently when the team jelled & finally was healthy on both sides of the ball. AB missed the 2 close losses vs SF & Philly. Had he been healthy & played, we might have won those 2 games. Osi only played in 9 games all yr & started 7 of them. Still got 9 sacks. Tuck played in just 12. Eli & the receiving corps carried the team all yr but had those 3 players been healthy all yr, we win more than just 9 games. That Giants team was easily an 11-12 win team if healthy. Once healthy, during the 6 game win streak vs Jets/Dal/Atl/GB/SF/NE, The Giants O put up 27ppg while the D allowed just 16ppg, they beat GB, the NFC#1 seed in their house & they beat the AFC #1 seed in the SB. In the playoffs, the Giants beat a team with 15 wins, & 2 teams that had 13 wins. A bad team can't do that. Exactly...and in 2007 the team had some holes going into the season. Those holes happened to get filled by the rookie class. Got a needed slot corner out of Ross, needed 3rd down receiver out of Smith, needed RB out of Bradshaw, starting safety and reliable/starting TE in Boss. Each year the Giants has some issues early on. In 2011 it was injuries...in 2007 is was holes. But each year they became a complete team by the end of the season and were very tough to beat. |
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Post by Roswell on Jun 20, 2018 12:10:53 GMT -5
Not to take anything away from the Giants run in the playoffs but it didn't hurt that Gronk was playing on one leg.....
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